Trade Thread: Armchair GMs welcomed

[2018C3]

I agree with the previous poster "R3AL1TY". Wait for a deal, do not make trades out of desperation. The way this season is going, we should be the team that is offering up solid players to teams that need a little extra push to meet there goals.

[Chi town]

I agree with the previous poster "R3AL1TY". Wait for a deal, do not make trades out of desperation. The way this season is going, we should be the team that is offering up solid players to teams that need a little extra push to meet there goals.

Another Niko trade.

Portis and Chuck for a 1st.

[beeshma]

I’d like to see the Bulls take a flyer on Milos Teodosic. Why not bring him in, give him some floor time and see if there is a fit? Clips will probably give him away just to do something positive and generous for a player who is good but isn’t getting an opportunity on the floor.

Bulls can send one of their own scrub PGs in exchange. Or we send Holiday and also get a 2nd rounder back.

https://www.clipsnation.com/2018/11/22/18108173/milos-teodosic-might-return-to-europe-sooner-than-later

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7134686

[Nikola]

I’d like to see the Bulls take a flyer on Milos Teodosic. Why not bring him in, give him some floor time and see if there is a fit? Clips will probably give him away just to do something positive and generous for a player who is good but isn’t getting an opportunity on the floor.

Bulls can send one of their own scrub PGs in exchange. Or we send Holiday and also get a 2nd rounder back.

https://www.clipsnation.com/2018/11/22/18108173/milos-teodosic-might-return-to-europe-sooner-than-later

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7134686

There is no point he said he's going back to Europe after this season.
Edit: Oh I see you have a link to that quote, so whats the point?

[StunnerKO]

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[Chicago-Bull-E]

I've been having a tough time with player values, but I think I like these moves. Some off the wall moves here.

Bulls trade: Dunn, Holiday
76ers trade: Fultz, Shamet, 2019 1st round pick (21)

76ers get a bench shooter and a better pg prospect. Bulls get a flyer on Fultz and a pick and Shamet, who looks good in limited action.

Bulls trade: 76ers pick (21), Portis
Celtics trade: Ojeleye, Sacramento pick (18, likely to be end of lottery)

Celtics get much needed shooting and floor spacing at the cost of a worse pick.

2019 Bulls offseason: Sign Kemba Walker, draft Reddish (3), Hachimura (late lottery with Sacramento pick)

2019 team

Walker, Fultz
Lavine, Valentine, Shamet
Reddish, Hachimura, Hutch
Lauri, Hachimura, Ojeleye
Carter, Felicio

Fun team

[beeshma]

I’d like to see the Bulls take a flyer on Milos Teodosic. Why not bring him in, give him some floor time and see if there is a fit? Clips will probably give him away just to do something positive and generous for a player who is good but isn’t getting an opportunity on the floor.

Bulls can send one of their own scrub PGs in exchange. Or we send Holiday and also get a 2nd rounder back.

https://www.clipsnation.com/2018/11/22/18108173/milos-teodosic-might-return-to-europe-sooner-than-later

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7134686

There is no point he said he's going back to Europe after this season.
Edit: Oh I see you have a link to that quote, so whats the point?

Since he is unhappy and going back to EU, that means Bulls can get him for nothing. That is the point of proposing this trade. I'm assuming that he is going back to EU because he is not a starter for the Clips. But if he turns out to be the best Bulls PG then he would be a starter and might decide to stay here. So we would pay nothing for Teodosic and get a starter.

Basically, I'm proposing something that is in line with Bulls mgmt desire to just keep trying different PGs, hoping one will stick.

[NecessaryEvil]

Holiday, Portis & Lopez for Fultz, Amir Johnson & a 2nd rounder

The losses will pile but we'll have a former #1 pick on his rookie deal to develop. Fred being a shoot coach, might be the perfect thing for him. If he doesn't work out, oh well, he helped ensure the job got done. Also adds another asset in future potential deal.

G Dunn / Fultz
G Lavine / Valentine
F Barrett / Hutchinson
F Markkanen
C Carter Jr.

[MrSparkle]

Basically absorb star talent for an absurd unsustainable cost... opposite of anything Bulls ever do, but who would do this?

Wall for Lopez, Payne, Blakeney

Before we all laugh, reminder that Wall’s salary is absolutely out of control (38m next season, up to 47m in 22/23)... and he’s got questionable attitude and slight injury history. Washington entirely gets off the hook, clears over $200m.

On the other hand, he’s an all-star pg, with basically 1 minor knee surgery in recent years, and his play hasn’t shown a decline as much as his team is a total mess.

Main problem imo is you’d want to leave this season with a shot at Zion or RJ... but if you play it smart, keep Wall on the injury reserve kind of like Dunn and Lauri......

[TankForAyton]

A thread full of Fultz and John Wall trades? Woof.

[panthermark]

Here is an really realistic trade....I might put this on the trade board.
Portis for Oubre

Simple swap of two players that neither team really wants to pay next year. But, we have too many PF's, and not enough SF's. The Wiz have too many SF's, and not enough PF's (they are playing SF's at PF...kinda like our ill-fated plan to play Jabari...a PF...at SF).

It is actually too realistic, even and boring.

[StephenAA]

Basically absorb star talent for an absurd unsustainable cost... opposite of anything Bulls ever do, but who would do this?

Wall for Lopez, Payne, Blakeney

Before we all laugh, reminder that Wall’s salary is absolutely out of control (38m next season, up to 47m in 22/23)... and he’s got questionable attitude and slight injury history. Washington entirely gets off the hook, clears over $200m.

On the other hand, he’s an all-star pg, with basically 1 minor knee surgery in recent years, and his play hasn’t shown a decline as much as his team is a total mess.

Main problem imo is you’d want to leave this season with a shot at Zion or RJ... but if you play it smart, keep Wall on the injury reserve kind of like Dunn and Lauri......

*
Id be willing to bet Washington would do almost anything to blow this thing up. Your trade is not that laughable...
However, Your 3rd paragraph far over-rides your 4th...

His age is also probably just outside our time schedule (he just turned 28)...

AA

[StephenAA]

Here is an really realistic trade....I might put this on the trade board.
Portis for Oubre

Simple swap of two players that neither team really wants to pay next year. But, we have too many PF's, and not enough SF's. The Wiz have too many SF's, and not enough PF's (they are playing SF's at PF...kinda like our ill-fated plan to play Jabari...a PF...at SF).

It is actually too realistic, even and boring.

*
I think it is a reasonable offer. The question is - what kind of money / contract will Oubre be entertaining next year? Do we know enough about him to make it justifiable?

AA

[MrSparkle]

Basically absorb star talent for an absurd unsustainable cost... opposite of anything Bulls ever do, but who would do this?

Wall for Lopez, Payne, Blakeney

Before we all laugh, reminder that Wall’s salary is absolutely out of control (38m next season, up to 47m in 22/23)... and he’s got questionable attitude and slight injury history. Washington entirely gets off the hook, clears over $200m.

On the other hand, he’s an all-star pg, with basically 1 minor knee surgery in recent years, and his play hasn’t shown a decline as much as his team is a total mess.

Main problem imo is you’d want to leave this season with a shot at Zion or RJ... but if you play it smart, keep Wall on the injury reserve kind of like Dunn and Lauri......

*
Id be willing to bet Washington would do almost anything to blow this thing up. Your trade is not that laughable...
However, Your 3rd paragraph far over-rides your 4th...

His age is also probably just outside our time schedule (he just turned 28)...

AA

Right on. In the end, I honestly probably don't do that trade, even though the on-court players swapping out are a joke. Before the super max, a regular max for your average all-star was already hard to justify unless you have a superstar or a tandem of existing stars who compliment each other. With this super max, I don't know what teams are thinking paying that to a franchise player unless he's surrounded by a contender, but even then, you have to step back and wonder if it's worth it (old CP3, Conley, Griffin, Wall etc.). Those teams were dark-horse contenders that ended badly (LAC, MEM, WAS).

Same question will of course come up with Jimmy, but it's a different story when you have Embiid and Simmons on a rookie contract... though I think they're botched picks/trades will seriously hurt their chip hopes (Fultz/#1 down the drain along with another incoming, not to mention Okafor and Noel). Kinda reminds me of OKC - could've had it all (dynasty) but several mistakes make them a "regular" contender.

But I digress. Point is, these are the only guys I think worthy of the super max: Curry, Durant, Lebron, Leonard, Davis, Harden, Giannis, Embiid. And you gotta be nervous about age with Lebron. So all these others guys getting it (Wall, KAT, CP3, Westbrook) or in line to get it (Jimmy, Kyrie, Kemba)... yes, they're fantastic players but are any of them winning a chip with any certainty? Only if their teammates help carry them.

PGs don't grow on trees. I am interested in a multi-PG budget rotation. Rubio for $10m annual... sometimes plays with Dunn. Would be a versatile team , fun to watch.

[panthermark]

Here is an really realistic trade....I might put this on the trade board.
Portis for Oubre

Simple swap of two players that neither team really wants to pay next year. But, we have too many PF's, and not enough SF's. The Wiz have too many SF's, and not enough PF's (they are playing SF's at PF...kinda like our ill-fated plan to play Jabari...a PF...at SF).

It is actually too realistic, even and boring.

*
I think it is a reasonable offer. The question is - what kind of money / contract will Oubre be entertaining next year? Do we know enough about him to make it justifiable?

AA

I don't know. He is basically their SF version of Portis in terms of contracts. He probably wants more than they are willing to pay when Otto Porter is in front of him.

[NCHeels2008]

This is much smaller scale but what about something around Shaun Livingston for Justin Holiday? What makes it fair? GSW could really use the shooting and I think Livingston is a good table setter but the Warriors ironically need shooting and wasn't sure if Justin is part of your future plans.

[Threekola]

John Wall with 36 and 11? He’s really a perfect fit with LaVine and Markkanen, a guy who can get them much easier offense and settle in as one of the best third options in the league. Who better are we signing with our cap space again? Dunn, Felicio, filler and a future protected first, do the Wizards say no?

[rtblues]

John Wall with 36 and 11? He’s really a perfect fit with LaVine and Markkanen, a guy who can get them much easier offense and settle in as one of the best third options in the league. Who better are we signing with our cap space again? Dunn, Felicio, filler and a future protected first, do the Wizards say no?

That money, it's still a barrier I'd say. The contract is beyond ridiculous, especially factoring in what his age and money per year will be in the final years, not to be redundant and repeat all the "other" factors regarding Wall's, let's say demeanor, personality, etc. I wouldn't. It's tempting, and one can almost talk one's self into it, but, it seems more like a desperate consideration forced by the current situation.

Minimally, you got to wait and see what Dunn can bring upon returning before pulling the trigger on a commitment like Wall.
The real question I guess is how much better would Wall make this team, and for how long?
Then there's Coach Meek, can you imagine Fred telling Wall anything? Joking here, since Fred ain't gonna be here to have to deal with that should it happen. Not sure he'll see the end of the season.

[pipfan]

Wall/Porter/Mahimi for Parker, Lopez, Felicio, Dunn, Payne, Valentine, lottery protected 1st

I think this barely works in the checker

Wash gets A TON of cap relief.

Bulls go with

Wall/Archi
Lavine/Holiday
Porter/Hutch
Lauri/Portis
Carter/Mahimi

[panthermark]

Wall/Porter/Mahimi for Parker, Lopez, Felicio, Dunn, Payne, Valentine, lottery protected 1st

I think this barely works in the checker

Wash gets A TON of cap relief.

Bulls go with

Wall/Archi
Lavine/Holiday
Porter/Hutch
Lauri/Portis
Carter/Mahimi

We are one of the few teams that could take Wall...but....hard pass. He is an athlete playing PG on a HORRIBLE contract. His age/athletic decline does not quite match up with our window based on his contract.

In the above....there is NO WAY any team is giving up a 1st to get Wall. More like Washington needs to add a 1st for someone to take his contract. Also, no way Mahimi is added to a deal....that is another crap contract.

You are basically giving up a first round pick to take on ALL of Washington's bad contracts.