Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVI

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[truwizfan4evr]

I hate when the media spread lies.

[Ruzious]

The Clippers might be a target for Wall or Beal - especially considering Lou Williams and Patrick Beverly can play either guard position. The targets for the Wiz would be Jerome Robinson and Shai Gilgeous-Alexander - both late lotto picks from the last draft - the backcourt of the future - both on the skinny side. Filler would be Avery Bradley - who's having a lousy season. Clipps are full of good players, but they don't have a star attraction.

I can't see why they'd trade SG-A, & I don't particularly want Robinson. To me he looked way overrated in the draft run-up, & so far he's only earned 40 minutes of PT.

Despite their record, the Clippers are in rebuilding mode & oriented around youth; they've only got 5 guys w/ guaranteed contracts for next year for a total of @$45m -- with half of that going to Gallinari in his expiring season. The other 4 are the 2 rookies, Lou Williams & Harrell.

I can barely imagine them maybe being interested in Beal but not Wall. They have a talented FO (despite picking Robinson), so my guess is that if they're interested in anyone it's more likely to be Porter than the other two. Ernie being incompetent, I imagine he's available.

I disagree with every opinion you gave there. They don't even have a 1st round pick next season next draft, and I don't think there's any chance they're in rebuild mode. They're a very solid team with a lot of depth - and one of the better teams in the West. I don't think it's much of a surprise that they're doing well - though I didn't expect they'd have the best record in the West. They can certainly re-sign their free agents. Again, what they lack is a star player who can take over games, and Wall might very well be a good fit for them because of that - actually a better fit than Beal, imo. Robinson's a good prospect - but he needs to add some strength.

[truwizfan4evr]

we need to trade for kyle korver, he got 22 points tonight. he can help with our outside shooting and free throw shooting and late game clutch shooting.

[gambitx777]

probably the truth of it is, bead wants out if E.G. and john don't leave first. So like I think if you really pay attention, his issues is with wall and the way the team is treated. if you change those two things he probably wouldn't mind leaving. there are issues, where you can't fix the situation. Beal is not one of those.

[nate33]

we need to trade for kyle korver, he got 22 points tonight. he can help with our outside shooting and free throw shooting and late game clutch shooting.

We are not a win-now team. Under no circumstances should we trade future assets to add aging vets. What does Korver get us? Another 3 wins in a best case scenario? What's the point? We finish with 44 wins instead of 41?

[nate33]

probably the truth of it is, bead wants out if E.G. and john don't leave first. So like I think if you really pay attention, his issues is with wall and the way the team is treated. if you change those two things he probably wouldn't mind leaving. there are issues, where you can't fix the situation. Beal is not one of those.

I think Beal, like most players, wants to play on a competent team with at least some hope of title contention in the foreseeable future. My guess is that he's fine playing with Wall as long as Wall is playing like he did in 2016-17. They may not be best friends or anything, but both Wall and Beal recognize that they're a pretty good blend on the court and they make each other better. And neither one is good enough by themselves to lead the team to any kind of title contention.

I suspect Beal really does not like Ernie Grunfeld based on what we know about EG. He's a jerk personally, and incompetent professionally. With EG around, there is no hope for contention. So perhaps it is indeed true that Beal will leave if EG is still around. Good! I hope Beal lets Ted know it. There's an obvious solution to this problem.

[Dat2U]

The Clippers might be a target for Wall or Beal - especially considering Lou Williams and Patrick Beverly can play either guard position. The targets for the Wiz would be Jerome Robinson and Shai Gilgeous-Alexander - both late lotto picks from the last draft - the backcourt of the future - both on the skinny side. Filler would be Avery Bradley - who's having a lousy season. Clipps are full of good players, but they don't have a star attraction.

I can't see why they'd trade SG-A, & I don't particularly want Robinson. To me he looked way overrated in the draft run-up, & so far he's only earned 40 minutes of PT.

Despite their record, the Clippers are in rebuilding mode & oriented around youth; they've only got 5 guys w/ guaranteed contracts for next year for a total of @$45m -- with half of that going to Gallinari in his expiring season. The other 4 are the 2 rookies, Lou Williams & Harrell.

I can barely imagine them maybe being interested in Beal but not Wall. They have a talented FO (despite picking Robinson), so my guess is that if they're interested in anyone it's more likely to be Porter than the other two. Ernie being incompetent, I imagine he's available.

I disagree with every opinion you gave there. They don't even have a 1st round pick next season next draft, and I don't think there's any chance they're in rebuild mode. They're a very solid team with a lot of depth - and one of the better teams in the West. I don't think it's much of a surprise that they're doing well - though I didn't expect they'd have the best record in the West. They can certainly re-sign their free agents. Again, what they lack is a star player who can take over games, and Wall might very well be a good fit for them because of that - actually a better fit than Beal, imo. Robinson's a good prospect - but he needs to add some strength.

I have to agree with payit on Jerome Robinson. I did not like him at all coming out. I think he was solely drafted for his shot creation abilities but he's weak and a so-so athlete. He doesn't get all the way to the lane. He doesn't rebound. He's TO prone. Was a non-descript defender in college which is usually a bad sign. He'll be 22 in Feb so he's a little older as well for a rookie.

I like SGA but not to the extent most do. I wouldn't consider him a centerpiece of a deal for Beal.

I really want to avoid a scenario where we take 2 dimes and a nickle for a quarter in Beal. Most trades I've seen have been of this variety.

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Sheridan is a hack, but it wouldn't surprise me.

I don't know if Beal specifically requested a trade but I do know for a fact he does want out and there's little to no chance he'll re-sign in DC at the end of his deal.

J. Michael, the Wizards former beat writer alluded to this fact weeks ago. Said it's not a secret in NBA circles.

Then yesterday former Wizards Head video coordinator Bryan Oringher on twitter also confirmed that Beal definitely wants out.

In my opinion the Wizards have between now and this summer to find the best deal possible for Beal. That's gives plenty of time to stoke up the trade winds but also moves Beal early enough to get full value for him (with at least 2 years left on his deal).

Recently J. Michael also said Otto had little desire to be here as well. That's why I've always thought Otto might opt out next year but he'd have to play better to even entertain that idea.

Bottom line, despite the enjoyable win last night, this is a complete mess.

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Sheridan is a hack, but it wouldn't surprise me.

I don't know if Beal specifically requested a trade but I do know for a fact he does want out and there's little to no chance he'll re-sign in DC at the end of his deal.

J. Michael, the Wizards former beat writer alluded to this fact weeks ago. Said it's not a secret in NBA circles.

Then yesterday former Wizards Head video coordinator Bryan Oringher on twitter also confirmed that Beal definitely wants out.

In my opinion the Wizards have between now and this summer to find the best deal possible for Beal. That's gives plenty of time to stoke up the trade winds but also moves Beal early enough to get full value for him (with at least 2 years left on his deal).

Recently J. Michael also said Otto had little desire to be here as well. That's why I've always thought Otto might opt out next year but he'd have to play better to even entertain that idea.

Bottom line, despite the enjoyable win last night, this is a complete mess.

I really hope that their issue is the incompetence of management, not the actual city of Washington DC. Hopefully, this pressure from both Beal and Porter will push Ted to finally do something about Ernie Grunfeld. And with Grunfeld gone, maybe Beal's concerns go away.

Either way, it really does look like the end of Grunfeld's reign is in sight. Grunfeld must be fired if he loses Beal for nothing. And he must be fired if he's forced to trade away Beal and Wall because it would be absurd to have him head another rebuild.

[Dat2U]

Sheridan is a hack, but it wouldn't surprise me.

I don't know if Beal specifically requested a trade but I do know for a fact he does want out and there's little to no chance he'll re-sign in DC at the end of his deal.

J. Michael, the Wizards former beat writer alluded to this fact weeks ago. Said it's not a secret in NBA circles.

Then yesterday former Wizards Head video coordinator Bryan Oringher on twitter also confirmed that Beal definitely wants out.

In my opinion the Wizards have between now and this summer to find the best deal possible for Beal. That's gives plenty of time to stoke up the trade winds but also moves Beal early enough to get full value for him (with at least 2 years left on his deal).

Recently J. Michael also said Otto had little desire to be here as well. That's why I've always thought Otto might opt out next year but he'd have to play better to even entertain that idea.

Bottom line, despite the enjoyable win last night, this is a complete mess.

I really hope that their issue is the incompetence of management, not the actual city of Washington DC. Hopefully, this pressure from both Beal and Porter will push Ted to finally do something about Ernie Grunfeld. And with Grunfeld gone, maybe Beal's concerns go away.

Either way, it really does look like the end of Grunfeld's reign is in sight. Grunfeld must be fired if he loses Beal for nothing. And he must be fired if he's forced to trade away Beal and Wall because it would be absurd to have him head another rebuild.

It has everything to do with management and the current environment. My understanding of it is that the current chemistry issues are systematic of the franchise as a whole. No direction or leadership. No one in charge to set the culture. Wall was given keys to the ship at 19 with no real mentors and bad habits were allowed to develop. It's just like the Arenas situation where the franchise allowed a young Arenas to run amock unchecked and frankly emboldened the behavior that helped expedite his demise.

Guys really don't like each other at all. I mean they REALLY don't like each other. I didn't even know this until recently but Rivers and Beal have been beefing for years from their AAU days. That makes trading for him even more questionable. It also makes you reflect on the decision to add Howard to a locker room of guys that couldn't stand each other.

[Rafael122]

I don't know if Beal specifically requested a trade but I do know for a fact he does want out and there's little to no chance he'll re-sign in DC at the end of his deal.

J. Michael, the Wizards former beat writer alluded to this fact weeks ago. Said it's not a secret in NBA circles.

Then yesterday former Wizards Head video coordinator Bryan Oringher on twitter also confirmed that Beal definitely wants out.

In my opinion the Wizards have between now and this summer to find the best deal possible for Beal. That's gives plenty of time to stoke up the trade winds but also moves Beal early enough to get full value for him (with at least 2 years left on his deal).

Recently J. Michael also said Otto had little desire to be here as well. That's why I've always thought Otto might opt out next year but he'd have to play better to even entertain that idea.

Bottom line, despite the enjoyable win last night, this is a complete mess.

I really hope that their issue is the incompetence of management, not the actual city of Washington DC. Hopefully, this pressure from both Beal and Porter will push Ted to finally do something about Ernie Grunfeld. And with Grunfeld gone, maybe Beal's concerns go away.

Either way, it really does look like the end of Grunfeld's reign is in sight. Grunfeld must be fired if he loses Beal for nothing. And he must be fired if he's forced to trade away Beal and Wall because it would be absurd to have him head another rebuild.

It has everything to do with management and the current environment. My understanding of it is that the current chemistry issues are systematic of the franchise as a whole. No direction or leadership. No one in charge to set the culture. Wall was given keys to the ship at 19 with no real mentors and bad habits were allowed to develop. It's just like the Arenas situation where the franchise allowed a young Arenas to run amock unchecked and frankly emboldened the behavior that helped expedite his demise.

Guys really don't like each other at all. I mean they REALLY don't like each other. I didn't even know this until recently but Rivers and Beal have been beefing for years from their AAU days. That makes trading for him even more questionable. It also makes you reflect on the decision to add Howard to a locker room of guys that couldn't stand each other.

Management called and talked to Beal BEFORE the Rivers trade and Beal was cool with it. Rivers and Beal hashed things out.

No question Beal and Wall have had their issues. Beal just had a kid, Wall is about to have one. MAYBE this will calm them down a bit, but I honestly think 90% of the issues Beal has is with management and not the team itself.

[Illmatic12]

I don't know if Beal specifically requested a trade but I do know for a fact he does want out and there's little to no chance he'll re-sign in DC at the end of his deal.

J. Michael, the Wizards former beat writer alluded to this fact weeks ago. Said it's not a secret in NBA circles.

Then yesterday former Wizards Head video coordinator Bryan Oringher on twitter also confirmed that Beal definitely wants out.

In my opinion the Wizards have between now and this summer to find the best deal possible for Beal. That's gives plenty of time to stoke up the trade winds but also moves Beal early enough to get full value for him (with at least 2 years left on his deal).

Recently J. Michael also said Otto had little desire to be here as well. That's why I've always thought Otto might opt out next year but he'd have to play better to even entertain that idea.

Bottom line, despite the enjoyable win last night, this is a complete mess.

I really hope that their issue is the incompetence of management, not the actual city of Washington DC. Hopefully, this pressure from both Beal and Porter will push Ted to finally do something about Ernie Grunfeld. And with Grunfeld gone, maybe Beal's concerns go away.

Either way, it really does look like the end of Grunfeld's reign is in sight. Grunfeld must be fired if he loses Beal for nothing. And he must be fired if he's forced to trade away Beal and Wall because it would be absurd to have him head another rebuild.

It has everything to do with management and the current environment. My understanding of it is that the current chemistry issues are systematic of the franchise as a whole. No direction or leadership. No one in charge to set the culture. Wall was given keys to the ship at 19 with no real mentors and bad habits were allowed to develop. It's just like the Arenas situation where the franchise allowed a young Arenas to run amock unchecked and frankly emboldened the behavior that helped expedite his demise.

Guys really don't like each other at all. I mean they REALLY don't like each other. I didn't even know this until recently but Rivers and Beal have been beefing for years from their AAU days. That makes trading for him even more questionable. It also makes you reflect on the decision to add Howard to a locker room of guys that couldn't stand each other.

If they *really* didn't like each other things would be a lot worse than they are, with guys actually demanding trades publicly. Even if they aren't best friends I believe the players have enough professional respect for each other.

I don't think it's a personal thing , imo the players (mainly John and Brad) are probably disillusioned with the organizational culture of putting together piecemeal rosters year after year , and Ted/Ernie proudly proclaiming that they have enough to contend as long as Wall & Beal make water out of wine. And it doesn't seem like they're fond of Brooks coaching either.

[queridiculo]

I mean, if we're seeing it watching from afar, anybody seriously think the players are cool with the team talking about pursuing Durant and then adding Nicholson, Mahinmi and Smith?

Sign guys like Meeks to multiyear deals and let somebody like Mike Scott leave for relative peanuts?

These guys gave themselves a pat on the back for adding Rivers and Howard over the offseason, give me a **** break.

When is the last time this team made a move that legit had you excited for the direction of the team?

It's reactionary bull after bull, a bandaid here, some duct tape there, and above all, make sure it doesn't cost too many precious dollars.

The Ariza situation, for **** sake, we basically lost good years from a guy that had great chemistry with the team over yet another instance of Grunfeld not being able to help himself handing out a multi-year deal to somebody like Webster.

****, Webster is STILL on the books this year, let that sink in.

I can't blame Beal or any other player for aspiring to be a in situation that's worth the sacrifice, this franchise isn't serious about winning.

[TGW]

I mean, if we're seeing it watching from afar, anybody seriously think the players are cool with the team talking about pursuing Durant and then adding Nicholson, Mahinmi and Smith?

Sign guys like Meeks to multiyear deals and let somebody like Mike Scott leave for relative peanuts?

These guys gave themselves a pat on the back for adding Rivers and Howard over the offseason, give me a **** break.

When is the last time this team made a move that legit had you excited for the direction of the team?

It's reactionary bull after bull, a bandaid here, some duct tape there, and above all, make sure it doesn't cost too many precious dollars.

The Ariza situation, for **** sake, we basically lost good years from a guy that had great chemistry with the team over yet another instance of Grunfeld not being able to help himself handing out a multi-year deal to somebody like Webster.

****, Webster is STILL on the books this year, let that sink in.

I can't blame Beal or any other player for aspiring to be a in situation that's worth the sacrifice, this franchise isn't serious about winning.

You know what sucks? Just when it looked like the team was at the point of no redemption, and the fans were going to riot, they string a couple of wins together and essentially save the jobs of the coach and GM.

These past few games pretty much destroyed any chance of there being any change upstairs. Terrible.

[I_Like_Dirt]

I really hope that their issue is the incompetence of management, not the actual city of Washington DC. Hopefully, this pressure from both Beal and Porter will push Ted to finally do something about Ernie Grunfeld. And with Grunfeld gone, maybe Beal's concerns go away.

Either way, it really does look like the end of Grunfeld's reign is in sight. Grunfeld must be fired if he loses Beal for nothing. And he must be fired if he's forced to trade away Beal and Wall because it would be absurd to have him head another rebuild.

Honestly, it's the losing. None of these issues would be any major concern if the team were winning. The way you solve the losing is with competent management. Washington isn't LA or NY but honestly it's pretty clear that players tend to go for the money regardless, and if money is equal they go for branding (hence, Lakers) or taxes. Washington is right there with Toronto and Chicago in terms of NBA markets. They aren't going to draw a bunch of major free agents their way but if they build a winning team suddenly all constant worries will disappear.

[Ruzious]

I can't see why they'd trade SG-A, & I don't particularly want Robinson. To me he looked way overrated in the draft run-up, & so far he's only earned 40 minutes of PT.

Despite their record, the Clippers are in rebuilding mode & oriented around youth; they've only got 5 guys w/ guaranteed contracts for next year for a total of @$45m -- with half of that going to Gallinari in his expiring season. The other 4 are the 2 rookies, Lou Williams & Harrell.

I can barely imagine them maybe being interested in Beal but not Wall. They have a talented FO (despite picking Robinson), so my guess is that if they're interested in anyone it's more likely to be Porter than the other two. Ernie being incompetent, I imagine he's available.

I disagree with every opinion you gave there. They don't even have a 1st round pick next season next draft, and I don't think there's any chance they're in rebuild mode. They're a very solid team with a lot of depth - and one of the better teams in the West. I don't think it's much of a surprise that they're doing well - though I didn't expect they'd have the best record in the West. They can certainly re-sign their free agents. Again, what they lack is a star player who can take over games, and Wall might very well be a good fit for them because of that - actually a better fit than Beal, imo. Robinson's a good prospect - but he needs to add some strength.

I have to agree with payit on Jerome Robinson. I did not like him at all coming out. I think he was solely drafted for his shot creation abilities but he's weak and a so-so athlete. He doesn't get all the way to the lane. He doesn't rebound. He's TO prone. Was a non-descript defender in college which is usually a bad sign. He'll be 22 in Feb so he's a little older as well for a rookie.

I like SGA but not to the extent most do. I wouldn't consider him a centerpiece of a deal for Beal.

I really want to avoid a scenario where we take 2 dimes and a nickle for a quarter in Beal. Most trades I've seen have been of this variety.

I don't think there's a Beal deal there either, but LAC is one of the few places where a Wall deal could make sense.

[Illmatic12]

I mean, if we're seeing it watching from afar, anybody seriously think the players are cool with the team talking about pursuing Durant and then adding Nicholson, Mahinmi and Smith?

Sign guys like Meeks to multiyear deals and let somebody like Mike Scott leave for relative peanuts?

These guys gave themselves a pat on the back for adding Rivers and Howard over the offseason, give me a **** break.

When is the last time this team made a move that legit had you excited for the direction of the team?

It's reactionary bull after bull, a bandaid here, some duct tape there, and above all, make sure it doesn't cost too many precious dollars.

The Ariza situation, for **** sake, we basically lost good years from a guy that had great chemistry with the team over yet another instance of Grunfeld not being able to help himself handing out a multi-year deal to somebody like Webster.

****, Webster is STILL on the books this year, let that sink in.

I can't blame Beal or any other player for aspiring to be a in situation that's worth the sacrifice, this franchise isn't serious about winning.

You know what sucks? Just when it looked like the team was at the point of no redemption, and the fans were going to riot, they string a couple of wins together and essentially save the jobs of the coach and GM.

These past few games pretty much destroyed any chance of there being any change upstairs. Terrible.

I would imagine their jobs will be re-evaluated at the end of the season no matter what. Ernie is on a 1yr contract anyways so it wouldn't cost anything to drop him.

Grunfeld and Brooks have created a situation where their franchise players have called them out directly. Leonsis has proven over the years he will ignore what the fans think, but when his highest paid players are saying it there's no way it can be ignored.

[panthermark]

From the outside looking in.
The Wizards have plateaued. It is a play-off team (current record withstanding), but not a title team.
The team is already a tax team, and John Wall's contract will basically prevent the team from improving via free agency, but the Wiz will be too good to be a lottery team.
Who is the leader?

Wall, Porter and Mahinmi alone will combine for $80M next season.

Beal should not be on the market. The Wiz should be prepared to give up other assets to move Wall (if that is what it takes).