Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XIX: Rise of the BIG

[fklt]

it would be funny if fournier, gordon and vuc are enough to get to the playoffs. just imagine what would we look like with harris and dipo on top of that.

[SOUL]

it would be funny if fournier, gordon and vuc are enough to get to playoffs. just imagine what would we look like with harris and dipo on top of that.

true. but it's worrying re: fans because the same impatience people had with harris (during the end of his tenure here), gordon, and oladipo (near the end), you can see repeating itself. when isaac and bamba struggle at times, people get all panicky. kinda shows why all these dumb trade ideas to try to compete for a late playoff seed is the wrong move to make unless you're getting a young future all star in return.

this team WILL need to know what it wants to do with vuc and ross (since they're resign-able) and pretty much all of the guards on the team because our young talent is all concentrated in the forward/c area.

[fklt]

it would be funny if fournier, gordon and vuc are enough to get to playoffs. just imagine what would we look like with harris and dipo on top of that.

true. but it's worrying re: fans because the same impatience people had with harris (during the end of his tenure here), gordon, and oladipo (near the end), you can see repeating itself. when isaac and bamba struggle at times, people get all panicky. kinda shows why all these dumb trade ideas to try to compete for a late playoff seed is the wrong move to make unless you're getting a young future all star in return.

this team WILL need to know what it wants to do with vuc and ross (since they're resign-able) and pretty much all of the guards on the team because our young talent is all concentrated in the forward/c area.

don't know about other fans, but If I'm for trading isaac or anybody else, that has nothing to do with being panicky or being win now. I believed in dipo, believed in elf, believed in gordon (granted didn't have high hopes on harris). because even if they were young, I could imagine a version of them being winning players in this league. today on the other hand, isaac doesn't give me that impression of becoming that cornerstone guy. was on the fence for a while, but that is my current opinion. bamba I'm still not sure. overall, i just don't believe in BIG and I do think we need to trade one or two of these guys even if they do pan out. no playmaking and shooting in all three of your young hopefuls is an awfully bad idea, and I think it's just a fan-made concept anyway. with all the crap I'm giving to management, I can't see even them committing to it.

I don't appreciate this effort to paint every young player with the same brush just because they're young. it's extremely simplistic. even on paper, every young player being worth an investment simply because of their age sounds pretty obviously dumb. some are, some not. some are, but they don't make sense together with others. this managing team **** is pretty complex, who knew.

[MagicFan4Lyfe]

it would be funny if fournier, gordon and vuc are enough to get to playoffs. just imagine what would we look like with harris and dipo on top of that.

true. but it's worrying re: fans because the same impatience people had with harris (during the end of his tenure here), gordon, and oladipo (near the end), you can see repeating itself. when isaac and bamba struggle at times, people get all panicky. kinda shows why all these dumb trade ideas to try to compete for a late playoff seed is the wrong move to make unless you're getting a young future all star in return.

this team WILL need to know what it wants to do with vuc and ross (since they're resign-able) and pretty much all of the guards on the team because our young talent is all concentrated in the forward/c area.

I hope we sign T-Ross. I would argue his play has been an even bigger reason over Vuc's play why we are 10-10 so far. T-Ross opens up the court, creating driving lanes and spacing things for AG, Vuc to operate. T-Ross's game translates into the modern NBA.

Vuc for a solid mid round first. Slide Mozgov into the rotation and have him spell out Bamba. Less Vuc will mean not only more touches for Bamba and Isaac but also for AG to really show what he has got.

[SOUL]

it would be funny if fournier, gordon and vuc are enough to get to playoffs. just imagine what would we look like with harris and dipo on top of that.

true. but it's worrying re: fans because the same impatience people had with harris (during the end of his tenure here), gordon, and oladipo (near the end), you can see repeating itself. when isaac and bamba struggle at times, people get all panicky. kinda shows why all these dumb trade ideas to try to compete for a late playoff seed is the wrong move to make unless you're getting a young future all star in return.

this team WILL need to know what it wants to do with vuc and ross (since they're resign-able) and pretty much all of the guards on the team because our young talent is all concentrated in the forward/c area.

don't know about other fans, but If I'm for trading isaac or anybody else, that has nothing to do with being panicky or being win now. I believed in dipo, believed in elf, believed in gordon (granted didn't have high hopes on harris). because even if they were young, I could imagine a version of them being winning players in this league. today on the other hand, isaac doesn't give me that impression of becoming that cornerstone guy. was on the fence for a while, but that is my current opinion. bamba I'm still not sure. overall, i just don't believe in BIG and I do think we need to trade one or two of these guys even if they do pan out. no playmaking and shooting in all three of your young hopefuls is an awfully bad idea, and I think it's just a fan-made concept anyway. with all the crap I'm giving to management, I can't see even them committing to it.

I don't appreciate this effort to paint every young player with the same brush just because they're young. it's extremely simplistic. even on paper, every young player being worth an investment simply because of their age sounds pretty obviously dumb. some are, some not. some are, but they don't make sense together with others. this managing team **** is pretty complex, who knew.

why does every young player need to be a cornerstone guy though? we know vuc isn't that either. sure, he can be it for stretches, hell, even a whole (contract) season, it's not quite good enough. we already see the impact that the duo of gordon and isaac can have defensively on elite forwards, and we look like a more competitive team when isaac is doing all the little things out there. gordon has found a nice niche too being opportunistic with his scoring but also making the simple play which clifford even alluded to that he is usually the one setting vuc up in nice spots when he's posting.

if anything, the bulk of our scoring, if we truly want to be a modern team, will have to come from our guard position which outside of ross this year, and augustin (who is still ultimately a backup) for stretches, has been pretty underwhelming.

[VFX]

it would be funny if fournier, gordon and vuc are enough to get to playoffs. just imagine what would we look like with harris and dipo on top of that.

true. but it's worrying re: fans because the same impatience people had with harris (during the end of his tenure here), gordon, and oladipo (near the end), you can see repeating itself. when isaac and bamba struggle at times, people get all panicky. kinda shows why all these dumb trade ideas to try to compete for a late playoff seed is the wrong move to make unless you're getting a young future all star in return.

this team WILL need to know what it wants to do with vuc and ross (since they're resign-able) and pretty much all of the guards on the team because our young talent is all concentrated in the forward/c area.

don't know about other fans, but If I'm for trading isaac or anybody else, that has nothing to do with being panicky or being win now. I believed in dipo, believed in elf, believed in gordon (granted didn't have high hopes on harris). because even if they were young, I could imagine a version of them being winning players in this league. today on the other hand, isaac doesn't give me that impression of becoming that cornerstone guy. was on the fence for a while, but that is my current opinion. bamba I'm still not sure. overall, i just don't believe in BIG and I do think we need to trade one or two of these guys even if they do pan out. no playmaking and shooting in all three of your young hopefuls is an awfully bad idea, and I think it's just a fan-made concept anyway. with all the crap I'm giving to management, I can't see even them committing to it.

I don't appreciate this effort to paint every young player with the same brush just because they're young. it's extremely simplistic. even on paper, every young player being worth an investment simply because of their age sounds pretty obviously dumb. some are, some not. some are, but they don't make sense together with others. this managing team **** is pretty complex, who knew.

It’s simple. The only reason a majority of people aren’t talking more about this is because this team is exceeding expectations on the backs of veterans (one of which in a contract year).

If this team underwhelmed again people would be panicking more about the future, which they should be doing anyway. Why? Because as you pointed out the only players on this overachieving roster that will definitely be around in 2 years will be Bamba and Isaac. That being said, neither have displayed consistency which rookies rarely do.

These wins look good on paper and after a hard fought game. In the grand scheme of things I see nothing to get excited about and it raises more questions long-term. If I knew the goal of this franchise was set on Vuc and T-Ross pulling games out of their asses three years from now, then I wouldn’t have anything to say. It’s simply not the case.

[MagicFan4Lyfe]

true. but it's worrying re: fans because the same impatience people had with harris (during the end of his tenure here), gordon, and oladipo (near the end), you can see repeating itself. when isaac and bamba struggle at times, people get all panicky. kinda shows why all these dumb trade ideas to try to compete for a late playoff seed is the wrong move to make unless you're getting a young future all star in return.

this team WILL need to know what it wants to do with vuc and ross (since they're resign-able) and pretty much all of the guards on the team because our young talent is all concentrated in the forward/c area.

don't know about other fans, but If I'm for trading isaac or anybody else, that has nothing to do with being panicky or being win now. I believed in dipo, believed in elf, believed in gordon (granted didn't have high hopes on harris). because even if they were young, I could imagine a version of them being winning players in this league. today on the other hand, isaac doesn't give me that impression of becoming that cornerstone guy. was on the fence for a while, but that is my current opinion. bamba I'm still not sure. overall, i just don't believe in BIG and I do think we need to trade one or two of these guys even if they do pan out. no playmaking and shooting in all three of your young hopefuls is an awfully bad idea, and I think it's just a fan-made concept anyway. with all the crap I'm giving to management, I can't see even them committing to it.

I don't appreciate this effort to paint every young player with the same brush just because they're young. it's extremely simplistic. even on paper, every young player being worth an investment simply because of their age sounds pretty obviously dumb. some are, some not. some are, but they don't make sense together with others. this managing team **** is pretty complex, who knew.

It’s simple. The only reason a majority of people aren’t talking more about this is because this team is exceeding expectations on the backs of veterans (one of which in a contract year).

If this team underwhelmed again people would be panicking more about the future, which they should be doing anyway. Why? Because as you pointed out the only players on this overachieving roster that will definitely be around in 2 years will be Bamba and Isaac. That being said, neither have displayed consistency which rookies rarely do.

These wins look good on paper and after a hard fought game. In the grand scheme of things I see nothing to get excited about and it raises more questions long-term. If I knew the goal of this franchise was set on Vuc and T-Ross pulling games out of their asses three years from now, then I wouldn’t have anything to say. It’s simply not the case.

Couldn’t have said it any better. I don’t think most of us are Vuc haters. It’s just we don’t see this current setup and team as a sustainable winning team- and by winning meaning championships. Sure they can sneak into the playoffs and get destroyed by Toronto or Boston. And then what? Are we going to hope for more development from Vuc, DJ and Fournier?

During the 1993-94 season when the Magic got swept by the Pacers in the first round, we all knew something special was brewing with Shaq and Penny. Ok say we get into the playoffs as the 8th seed and get swept by Toronto. How many of you can legit say ‘we going to be better next year’. And I guarantee you no FA is going to look at Orlando and say ‘I wanna play with Vuc and fournier’. They are saying ‘I wanna play with Giannis, Kawhi,Lebron, Porzingis.
We could potentially have those players in Isaac and Bamba but if we don’t let these guys not just play but also the freedom to grow, we will never know what we got.

Simply put for me the potential of Isaac and Bamba will far exceed any stats Vuc puts up this season.

[pepe1991]

Spoiler alert

just because somebody is young it does not mean he has Jordan-like potential. Being young just means not being old.

[Mauro Pedrosa]

We should trade for a better creator to lead our bench. I think we'll make the playoffs comfortably if we get just a little more offense.

Korkmaz would be great or even...



MARIO HEZONJA

What's mario going to do? or was that joke?

He's a better ball handler and passer than Grant or Isaac. His shot comes and goes but I'd basically take anyone over Jerian Grant right now

[GatorbaitDD]

I think to get Fultz it'll cost Ross + OKC 1st and I don't think it's worth it. I would much rather try to resign Ross in the off season and keep pushing toward an 8th seed.

[Blue_and_Whte]

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One team executive familiar with the Sixers’ wishes said they would likely settle for a first-round draft pick and a serviceable player whose salary would be close enough to Fultz’s $8.33 million to make the trade work under NBA salary cap rules.

For Orlando, the only asset that would seem to interest the Sixers is a first-round draft pick in 2020 originally belonging to Oklahoma City, although it is top 20 protected and turns into a pair of second-round picks if the Thunder do not finish with one of the worst 10 records next season.

If the Magic dealt Jonathan Simmons or a combination of Jarell Martin and Jerian Grant, the deal would work salary-cap wise. But if the Sixers had no interest in those players, a third team — likely Sacramento — could be brought in to broker a deal.

take it and run

I think to get Fultz it'll cost Ross + OKC 1st and I don't think it's worth it. I would much rather try to resign Ross in the off season and keep pushing toward an 8th seed.

If Philly thinks theyre getting a 6th man candidate on an expiring and a first round pick then that means the **** theyre smoking must be good.

[rcklsscognition]

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[Blue_and_Whte]

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"Can't wait to trade him doe".... Morons.

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[GatorbaitDD]

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One team executive familiar with the Sixers’ wishes said they would likely settle for a first-round draft pick and a serviceable player whose salary would be close enough to Fultz’s $8.33 million to make the trade work under NBA salary cap rules.

For Orlando, the only asset that would seem to interest the Sixers is a first-round draft pick in 2020 originally belonging to Oklahoma City, although it is top 20 protected and turns into a pair of second-round picks if the Thunder do not finish with one of the worst 10 records next season.

If the Magic dealt Jonathan Simmons or a combination of Jarell Martin and Jerian Grant, the deal would work salary-cap wise. But if the Sixers had no interest in those players, a third team — likely Sacramento — could be brought in to broker a deal.

take it and run

I think to get Fultz it'll cost Ross + OKC 1st and I don't think it's worth it. I would much rather try to resign Ross in the off season and keep pushing toward an 8th seed.

If Philly thinks theyre getting a 6th man candidate on an expiring and a first round pick then that means the **** theyre smoking must be good.

I agree, but Josh Jackson is likely what the suns would offer and that has significantly more upside than Sims or Grant/Martin

[MoMM]

We lose by 25 tonight?

is curry still out?

Yes.......only by 24 then

What can I say?

[nicnac215]

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take it and run

I think to get Fultz it'll cost Ross + OKC 1st and I don't think it's worth it. I would much rather try to resign Ross in the off season and keep pushing toward an 8th seed.

If Philly thinks theyre getting a 6th man candidate on an expiring and a first round pick then that means the **** theyre smoking must be good.

I agree, but Josh Jackson is likely what the suns would offer and that has significantly more upside than Sims or Grant/Martin

Simmons+okc 1st is valuable to 76ers because jackson woulf keep 7 million on the books and kills some cap space where they can waive Simmons and he is due i think 1 million and they still have a 1st round pick.

[Magic_Johnny12]

If it only takes Simmons + OKC 1st to nab Fultz you do it without ANY hesitation and run as quick as you can.

That would be huge for Orlando.

But because Sheridan said it that means it’s not happening so no one get their hopes up.

[OrlandoNed]

Vuc is on Jim Rome around 2:00 for anyone interested.

[GatorbaitDD]

take it and run




If Philly thinks theyre getting a 6th man candidate on an expiring and a first round pick then that means the **** theyre smoking must be good.

I agree, but Josh Jackson is likely what the suns would offer and that has significantly more upside than Sims or Grant/Martin

Simmons+okc 1st is valuable to 76ers because jackson woulf keep 7 million on the books and kills some cap space where they can waive Simmons and he is due i think 1 million and they still have a 1st round pick.

Good point

[rcklsscognition]

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