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Re: Bol Bol 

Post#81 » by clyde21 » Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:58 pm

I still have some trepidations about how he can translate physically to the NBA but man is he an effortless mover/athlete for a guy his size. Might be the second most impressive athlete in this class after Zion.
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Post#82 » by Duke4life831 » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:39 pm

I get Bol has looked good (mostly against very small teams), but I wont lie. There is just something about him where I just dont see a successful NBA big. I dont know if there is anything he can show this year that will make me change my mind on it. It is also something I really cant articulate either. Just when I watch him, I dont see his game translating to the NBA for some reason.
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Post#83 » by nicnac215 » Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:21 am

Bol bol moves similar to KD on the floor. Kid is impressive. Cant wait for him to join the Magic.
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Post#84 » by bigboi » Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:18 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:I get Bol has looked good (mostly against very small teams), but I wont lie. There is just something about him where I just dont see a successful NBA big. I dont know if there is anything he can show this year that will make me change my mind on it. It is also something I really cant articulate either. Just when I watch him, I dont see his game translating to the NBA for some reason.

Day what you want, but I’ll take Bol over that bum Barrett any day.
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Post#85 » by PhilBlackson » Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:38 pm

I'll take Naz Reid over Bol Bol any day.
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Post#86 » by Hoopz Afrik » Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:02 pm

PhilBlackson wrote:I'll take Naz Reid over Bol Bol any day.


Why?
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Post#87 » by Marcus » Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:33 pm

nicnac215 wrote:Bol bol moves similar to KD on the floor. Kid is impressive. Cant wait for him to join the Magic.


and play backup, alongside, or start over Bamba?
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Post#88 » by clyde21 » Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:38 pm

nicnac215 wrote:Bol bol moves similar to KD on the floor. Kid is impressive. Cant wait for him to join the Magic.


Yall don't need any more bigs vato.
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Post#89 » by MemphisX » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:50 am

I am still in the would not touch camp. As a GM, I would make a safer pick unless we are at the tail end of the lottery or later. Would scare the begeezus out of me.
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Post#90 » by nicnac215 » Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:06 am

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nicnac215 wrote:Bol bol moves similar to KD on the floor. Kid is impressive. Cant wait for him to join the Magic.


Yall don't need any more bigs vato.

Firstly you dont know our front office MO if you think Bol isnt our type of player. Secondly if Bol can play 3,4,or 5 then we have two players like that in Issac and Bol while having Gordon who plays 3 and 4. Between the 3 4 5 there are 144 minutes. Spread that between Gordon Bamba Issac and Bol that gives you 36 mpg per player. Bol Bamba nor Issac would be ready for 36 mpg for a couple years so obviously we have room for him. These guys long arms and tall that trouble 3pt shooters more while Bamba Bol and Issac are all legit helpside shot blockers. Future of NBA defense.
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Post#91 » by Hoopz Afrik » Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:08 pm

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clyde21 wrote:
nicnac215 wrote:Bol bol moves similar to KD on the floor. Kid is impressive. Cant wait for him to join the Magic.


Yall don't need any more bigs vato.

Firstly you dont know our front office MO if you think Bol isnt our type of player. Secondly if Bol can play 3,4,or 5 then we have two players like that in Issac and Bol while having Gordon who plays 3 and 4. Between the 3 4 5 there are 144 minutes. Spread that between Gordon Bamba Issac and Bol that gives you 36 mpg per player. Bol Bamba nor Issac would be ready for 36 mpg for a couple years so obviously we have room for him. These guys long arms and tall that trouble 3pt shooters more while Bamba Bol and Issac are all legit helpside shot blockers. Future of NBA defense.


Yes. We know John Hammond has a type and loves length. We know his track record.

That said, drafting Bol one season after drafting Bamba would be a terrible move. One of them would have to go. None of the guys you've mentioned have shown the capability to play the 3 on a full-time basis and only one has show they can be serviceable at the 3 on a part-time basis.
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Post#92 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:47 pm

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clyde21 wrote:
nicnac215 wrote:Bol bol moves similar to KD on the floor. Kid is impressive. Cant wait for him to join the Magic.


Yall don't need any more bigs vato.

Firstly you dont know our front office MO if you think Bol isnt our type of player. Secondly if Bol can play 3,4,or 5 then we have two players like that in Issac and Bol while having Gordon who plays 3 and 4. Between the 3 4 5 there are 144 minutes. Spread that between Gordon Bamba Issac and Bol that gives you 36 mpg per player. Bol Bamba nor Issac would be ready for 36 mpg for a couple years so obviously we have room for him. These guys long arms and tall that trouble 3pt shooters more while Bamba Bol and Issac are all legit helpside shot blockers. Future of NBA defense.


What? Have you watched Bol play besides the FV highlights?
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Re: Bol Bol 

Post#93 » by nicnac215 » Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:51 pm

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Yall don't need any more bigs vato.

Firstly you dont know our front office MO if you think Bol isnt our type of player. Secondly if Bol can play 3,4,or 5 then we have two players like that in Issac and Bol while having Gordon who plays 3 and 4. Between the 3 4 5 there are 144 minutes. Spread that between Gordon Bamba Issac and Bol that gives you 36 mpg per player. Bol Bamba nor Issac would be ready for 36 mpg for a couple years so obviously we have room for him. These guys long arms and tall that trouble 3pt shooters more while Bamba Bol and Issac are all legit helpside shot blockers. Future of NBA defense.


What? Have you watched Bol play besides the FV highlights?


Just one game, but if you think Bol is the best player available then you draft him, which I think he will be unless the Magic strike gold in the lottery.
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Post#94 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:08 pm

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Knickstape1214 wrote:
nicnac215 wrote:Firstly you dont know our front office MO if you think Bol isnt our type of player. Secondly if Bol can play 3,4,or 5 then we have two players like that in Issac and Bol while having Gordon who plays 3 and 4. Between the 3 4 5 there are 144 minutes. Spread that between Gordon Bamba Issac and Bol that gives you 36 mpg per player. Bol Bamba nor Issac would be ready for 36 mpg for a couple years so obviously we have room for him. These guys long arms and tall that trouble 3pt shooters more while Bamba Bol and Issac are all legit helpside shot blockers. Future of NBA defense.


What? Have you watched Bol play besides the FV highlights?


Just one game, but if you think Bol is the best player available then you draft him, which I think he will be unless the Magic strike gold in the lottery.


My issue wasn’t with Orlando taking Bol because he’s BPA; I took issue with the “3, 4, or 5” part.
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Post#95 » by clyde21 » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:10 pm

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nicnac215 wrote:Bol bol moves similar to KD on the floor. Kid is impressive. Cant wait for him to join the Magic.


Yall don't need any more bigs vato.

Firstly you dont know our front office MO if you think Bol isnt our type of player. Secondly if Bol can play 3,4,or 5 then we have two players like that in Issac and Bol while having Gordon who plays 3 and 4. Between the 3 4 5 there are 144 minutes. Spread that between Gordon Bamba Issac and Bol that gives you 36 mpg per player. Bol Bamba nor Issac would be ready for 36 mpg for a couple years so obviously we have room for him. These guys long arms and tall that trouble 3pt shooters more while Bamba Bol and Issac are all legit helpside shot blockers. Future of NBA defense.


There's so much wrong with this I don't even know where to really start.

1. Bol Bol can't play the 3, and maybe some 4 depending on the rest of the lineup and the match up. So your "if he can play 3, 4, or 5" premise is already a faulty one.

2. What exactly is your plan to do with Gordon, Isaac, Bamba, and Bol? Gordon, Isaac and Bamba are already a non-ideal fit in the front court and in a perfect world one of them gets traded for a blue chip guard. The fact that you want to add ANOTHER big to that core is dumbfounding.

3. Yes, you'd have a great defense, but your offense would be categorically inept. You have ZERO creators in the front court, which is why you need to invest in your guards/wings, not drop another high pick on another big. If you like Bol Bol that much, you can draft him, but the plan to should be to trade one of Isaac or Bamba at that point.
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Post#96 » by nicnac215 » Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:06 pm

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Yall don't need any more bigs vato.

Firstly you dont know our front office MO if you think Bol isnt our type of player. Secondly if Bol can play 3,4,or 5 then we have two players like that in Issac and Bol while having Gordon who plays 3 and 4. Between the 3 4 5 there are 144 minutes. Spread that between Gordon Bamba Issac and Bol that gives you 36 mpg per player. Bol Bamba nor Issac would be ready for 36 mpg for a couple years so obviously we have room for him. These guys long arms and tall that trouble 3pt shooters more while Bamba Bol and Issac are all legit helpside shot blockers. Future of NBA defense.


There's so much wrong with this I don't even know where to really start.

1. Bol Bol can't play the 3, and maybe some 4 depending on the rest of the lineup and the match up. So your "if he can play 3, 4, or 5" premise is already a faulty one.

2. What exactly is your plan to do with Gordon, Isaac, Bamba, and Bol? Gordon, Isaac and Bamba are already a non-ideal fit in the front court and in a perfect world one of them gets traded for a blue chip guard. The fact that you want to add ANOTHER big to that core is dumbfounding. Front court depth with long athletic skilled players is always a good thing. You can sign shooters and pgs but how many athletic 7ft+ guys with a nice shooting stroke are available in free agency?

3. Yes, you'd have a great defense, but your offense would be categorically inept. You have ZERO creators in the front court, which is why you need to invest in your guards/wings, not drop another high pick on another big. If you like Bol Bol that much, you can draft him, but the plan to should be to trade one of Isaac or Bamba at that point.

1. Bol has the skills to play spot minutes at the 3. Kid has range and ball skills all while moving gracefully. Bol Issac and Bamba will be able to share the floor if on the same team.
2. Issac has played the 3 spot many games this season and when Issac and Gordon are on the floor together (almost always with Vuc or Bamba) they have a great net positive rating. This means the fit should be fine going forward, but it all starts with what the FO is going to do with Vuc.
3. I would prefer to sign a guard via free agency and draft a shooter with Clevelands 2nd round pick which could be more valuable than many 1st round picks. Philly might even be interested in a Simmons+Cleveland 2nd rd pick for Fultz because it keeps them very flexible financially while giving them the best pick available without a guaranteed contract. Would be worth the risk.


Basically I want the highest potential guy and Bol has a chance to be the best player in his class. He can spread the floor like KP and defend the rim like Gobert. Can he be a bust and flop, absolutely and there is a great chance of that but I am a gambling man.

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Post#97 » by clyde21 » Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:17 pm

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nicnac215 wrote:Firstly you dont know our front office MO if you think Bol isnt our type of player. Secondly if Bol can play 3,4,or 5 then we have two players like that in Issac and Bol while having Gordon who plays 3 and 4. Between the 3 4 5 there are 144 minutes. Spread that between Gordon Bamba Issac and Bol that gives you 36 mpg per player. Bol Bamba nor Issac would be ready for 36 mpg for a couple years so obviously we have room for him. These guys long arms and tall that trouble 3pt shooters more while Bamba Bol and Issac are all legit helpside shot blockers. Future of NBA defense.


There's so much wrong with this I don't even know where to really start.

1. Bol Bol can't play the 3, and maybe some 4 depending on the rest of the lineup and the match up. So your "if he can play 3, 4, or 5" premise is already a faulty one.

2. What exactly is your plan to do with Gordon, Isaac, Bamba, and Bol? Gordon, Isaac and Bamba are already a non-ideal fit in the front court and in a perfect world one of them gets traded for a blue chip guard. The fact that you want to add ANOTHER big to that core is dumbfounding. Front court depth with long athletic skilled players is always a good thing. You can sign shooters and pgs but how many athletic 7ft+ guys with a nice shooting stroke are available in free agency?

3. Yes, you'd have a great defense, but your offense would be categorically inept. You have ZERO creators in the front court, which is why you need to invest in your guards/wings, not drop another high pick on another big. If you like Bol Bol that much, you can draft him, but the plan to should be to trade one of Isaac or Bamba at that point.

1. Bol has the skills to play spot minutes at the 3. Kid has range and ball skills all while moving gracefully. Bol Issac and Bamba will be able to share the floor if on the same team.
2. Issac has played the 3 spot many games this season and when Issac and Gordon are on the floor together (almost always with Vuc or Bamba) they have a great net positive rating. This means the fit should be fine going forward, but it all starts with what the FO is going to do with Vuc.
3. I would prefer to sign a guard via free agency and draft a shooter with Clevelands 2nd round pick which could be more valuable than many 1st round picks. Philly might even be interested in a Simmons+Cleveland 2nd rd pick for Fultz because it keeps them very flexible financially while giving them the best pick available without a guaranteed contract. Would be worth the risk.


Basically I want the highest potential guy and Bol has a chance to be the best player in his class. He can spread the floor like KP and defend the rim like Gobert. Can he be a bust and flop, absolutely and there is a great chance of that but I am a gambling man.

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Potential doesn't matter if you're unable to maximize it. We've seen this over and over again. Drafting the BPA doesn't matter if you're not going to optimize that talent because he doesn't fit with the other players on your team. Bamba-Isaac-Gordon-Bol will not be able to play together on the court, so not only are going to have to keep one on the bench and run staggered lineups, but you don't have any creators here that can orchestrate or generate offense on their own.

Like I said, if you like Bol that much more than anyone else that will be available, go ahead and draft him. But then the plan should be to move Bamba in a trade honestly for some real back court talent.
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Re: Bol Bol 

Post#98 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:13 pm

Bol gets pushed under the rim easily because of his super high hips / center of gravity, has a high and loose handle, doesn't have the foot speed to defend 4s (let alone 3s), has pretty poor defensive awareness around the rim, and absolutely cannot play any minutes whatsoever at the 3 (or the 4).

This nonsense about Bol making sense on the Magic needs to stop.
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Post#99 » by BlazersBroncos » Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:12 pm

This idea of guys like Bol plaing SF because they are mobile for a C is just b-a-n-a-n-a-s. He would get beat like a drum on defense.

He may be able to handle spot minutes at PF, but much like Zinger his ideal position likely is C.

That being said, if Orlando moves Gordon for a shot maker / creater at guard then who knows. Isaac is one of the rare guys 6'10 or taller that is abl to play SF in this league, so if for whatever reason they want to draft Bol and play either he or Bamba out of position at PF, maybe they do. But SF? Or with Gordon still on the team? No way.

Also, even if Gordon was gone and they draft Bol its Bamba likely to play PF IMO. His center of gravity is more conducive to getting low and guarding smaller PF. Still not a great plan tho IMO.
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Post#100 » by Funcrusher » Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:10 pm

Knickstape1214 wrote:Bol gets pushed under the rim easily because of his super high hips / center of gravity, has a high and loose handle, doesn't have the foot speed to defend 4s (let alone 3s), has pretty poor defensive awareness around the rim, and absolutely cannot play any minutes whatsoever at the 3 (or the 4).

This nonsense about Bol making sense on the Magic needs to stop.

So you're telling me Bol isn't KD?
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