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Kemba Walker or John Wall or neither?

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Re: Kemba Walker or John Wall or neither? 

Post#41 » by yoyojw17 » Mon Nov 26, 2018 1:26 pm

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tiderulz wrote:I am allowed my opinion. and that contract is a killer, his issues in the locker room, health issues, entering his 30's, not great outside shooter. no thanks

yeah.... 42 million dollars is WAY to much for a person that does not swing the needle all by himself. I'd rather pay 2 players at 21 million instead. or 1 20 million dollar starter and 2 10 million dollar round the bench out type players. something.... other than gambling on 1 player whose sole contract could saddlebag us for 4 years IF he doesn't work out.


So, sign another Fournier level player for $20 mil and (2) of another DJ and Simmons?

Wall is NOT Lebron... or KD.... or Steph... or Kawhi.... or Anthony Davis.... He doesn't warrant that amount of money in MY opinion that he should eat up 1/3 of the salary. And yes... i would bank on making plays on players that can meet or exceed their pricetag.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/251721/John-Wall-Has-Very-Few-Teams-Interested-In-Trading-For-Him

Happy i saw this on the way in. Yes.... It can turn out to be the right choice... there's no denying it. But every decision made has a risk and i think walls risk vs reward is too high for me.
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Re: Kemba Walker or John Wall or neither? 

Post#42 » by BadMofoPimp » Mon Nov 26, 2018 1:59 pm

I like Wall and think he could really help teams this and next year but after that, i expect him to decline as he has been at a high level for years now. He won't be able to sustain it unless he is motivated on a contender. Magic are not a contender anytime soon. Thus, I don't expect him to keep playing at a high level for long. And, a declining player making $40 mil per season can destroy a team for years. Even the stretch provision at that time would be like $20 mil against the cap per season.
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Re: Kemba Walker or John Wall or neither? 

Post#43 » by tiderulz » Mon Nov 26, 2018 2:00 pm

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yoyojw17 wrote:yeah.... 42 million dollars is WAY to much for a person that does not swing the needle all by himself. I'd rather pay 2 players at 21 million instead. or 1 20 million dollar starter and 2 10 million dollar round the bench out type players. something.... other than gambling on 1 player whose sole contract could saddlebag us for 4 years IF he doesn't work out.


So, sign another Fournier level player for $20 mil and (2) of another DJ and Simmons?

Wall is NOT Lebron... or KD.... or Steph... or Kawhi.... or Anthony Davis.... He doesn't warrant that amount of money in MY opinion that he should eat up 1/3 of the salary. And yes... i would bank on making plays on players that can meet or exceed their pricetag.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/251721/John-Wall-Has-Very-Few-Teams-Interested-In-Trading-For-Him

Happy i saw this on the way in. Yes.... It can turn out to be the right choice... there's no denying it. But every decision made has a risk and i think walls risk vs reward is too high for me.

and I think it isnt that teams arent interesting in trading for Wall, he is a very good player. No one wants him on that horrendous contract.
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Re: Kemba Walker or John Wall or neither? 

Post#44 » by pepe1991 » Mon Nov 26, 2018 2:49 pm

Wall is great player.
His contract makes it almost impossible to build funcional team around him.

That's why nobody wants to trade for him.
He has Lebron like-contract and even Lebron's contract won't age well at all.
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Re: Kemba Walker or John Wall or neither? 

Post#45 » by NotACat » Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:40 pm

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BadMofoPimp wrote:
So, sign another Fournier level player for $20 mil and (2) of another DJ and Simmons?

Wall is NOT Lebron... or KD.... or Steph... or Kawhi.... or Anthony Davis.... He doesn't warrant that amount of money in MY opinion that he should eat up 1/3 of the salary. And yes... i would bank on making plays on players that can meet or exceed their pricetag.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/251721/John-Wall-Has-Very-Few-Teams-Interested-In-Trading-For-Him

Happy i saw this on the way in. Yes.... It can turn out to be the right choice... there's no denying it. But every decision made has a risk and i think walls risk vs reward is too high for me.

and I think it isnt that teams arent interesting in trading for Wall, he is a very good player. No one wants him on that horrendous contract.

The only teams I can see trading for him are teams that are capped out and think they're a PG away from contending. That could be Chicago, Detroit, or New York depending on what they view as their contending window and what contracts Washington is willing to take back.
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Re: Kemba Walker or John Wall or neither? 

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Re: Kemba Walker or John Wall or neither? 

Post#47 » by kuman7 » Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:54 pm

I've seen 2 day ago on Polish website the article about the sale in Washington. There are a few proposition of trades from different clubs. There is also of course the Orlando scenario. Here are the details:
Terrence Ross, Jonathan Isaac, Evan Fournier to Washington Wizards
John Wall, Markieff Morris to Orlando Magic.
What do you think about this?
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Re: Kemba Walker or John Wall or neither? 

Post#48 » by Cammo101 » Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:19 pm

I'd happily take either, but if Kemba comes cheaper, I'd prefer him.
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Re: Kemba Walker or John Wall or neither? 

Post#49 » by dsg2021 » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:17 am

kuman7 wrote:I've seen 2 day ago on Polish website the article about the sale in Washington. There are a few proposition of trades from different clubs. There is also of course the Orlando scenario. Here are the details:
Terrence Ross, Jonathan Isaac, Evan Fournier to Washington Wizards
John Wall, Markieff Morris to Orlando Magic.
What do you think about this?

No way I include J.I. for Wall!
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Re: Kemba Walker or John Wall or neither? 

Post#50 » by Knightro » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:50 pm

Cammo101 wrote:I'd happily take either, but if Kemba comes cheaper, I'd prefer him.


Agreed.

Kemba would be cheaper in the respect that IF Magic acquired him, it would likely just be a situation where they signed him outright this summer without having to give up assets to get him.

Wall would have to be a trade... but his contract is so large that the Magic would almost be forced to send out some unwanted salary of their own (Mozgov/Fournier) to facilitate a deal.

I feel like people are sleeping on Wall a little bit. He's still very much an all-star.

Hell... his FG% right now is currently a career high.
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Re: Kemba Walker or John Wall or neither? 

Post#51 » by Cammo101 » Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:54 pm

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Cammo101 wrote:I'd happily take either, but if Kemba comes cheaper, I'd prefer him.


Agreed.

Kemba would be cheaper in the respect that IF Magic acquired him, it would likely just be a situation where they signed him outright this summer without having to give up assets to get him.

Wall would have to be a trade... but his contract is so large that the Magic would almost be forced to send out some unwanted salary of their own (Mozgov/Fournier) to facilitate a deal.

I feel like people are sleeping on Wall a little bit. He's still very much an all-star.

Hell... his FG% right now is currently a career high.


100% agree. This franchise needs a star player in the worst way, yet whenever one is available, all people do is poke holes in them and convince themselves we don't need him. For all the people on the "No to Wall" bandwagon, I'd love to hear their better plan for getting a cornerstone player here to build around. No elite free agent is going to sign here, so we need to be creative in our apporach to getting a star.
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Re: Kemba Walker or John Wall or neither? 

Post#52 » by Redphilly » Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:23 pm

Kemba all day.
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Re: Kemba Walker or John Wall or neither? 

Post#53 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:37 pm

Gimme Beal over these 2 any day. Fournier or Vuc and OKC 1st for Beal. Grab PG in FA and then a wing guy like Nickeil Alexander Walker, De'Andre Hunter from Virginia, Grimes from Kansas or Johnson from Kentucky
A scoring guard.. never heard of one. :roll:

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