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Re: Temetrius "Ja" Morant 

Post#21 » by SeattleJazzFan » Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:07 pm

Morant is for real. Top 15 easy.
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Re: Temetrius "Ja" Morant 

Post#22 » by clyde21 » Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:46 pm

Stillwater wrote:With Garland hurt and likely to return to school
Ja is the top pg in the draft barring some orgs seeing Dort in than role or others having interest in project types like Coby white
To me Ponds is underrated as a mid first option.


Says who?
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Re: Temetrius "Ja" Morant 

Post#23 » by Stillwater » Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:55 pm

clyde21 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:With Garland hurt and likely to return to school
Ja is the top pg in the draft barring some orgs seeing Dort in than role or others having interest in project types like Coby white
To me Ponds is underrated as a mid first option.


Says who?

Me he's out for the season.
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Re: Temetrius "Ja" Morant 

Post#24 » by clyde21 » Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:59 pm

Stillwater wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:With Garland hurt and likely to return to school
Ja is the top pg in the draft barring some orgs seeing Dort in than role or others having interest in project types like Coby white
To me Ponds is underrated as a mid first option.


Says who?

Me he's out for the season.


That's more incentive for him to actually leave early. Why would he go back to school when he's already the #1 PG?
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Re: Temetrius "Ja" Morant 

Post#25 » by doordoor123 » Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:31 pm

clyde21 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
Says who?

Me he's out for the season.


That's more incentive for him to actually leave early. Why would he go back to school when he's already the #1 PG?


I would be surprised if he returns. If he does then it’s just bad advice.

And Shamorie Ponds in a 3rd string point guard in the NBA.
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Re: Temetrius "Ja" Morant 

Post#26 » by Stillwater » Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:30 am

doordoor123 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:Me he's out for the season.


That's more incentive for him to actually leave early. Why would he go back to school when he's already the #1 PG?


I would be surprised if he returns. If he does then it’s just bad advice.

And Shamorie Ponds in a 3rd string point guard in the NBA.

would you use a 1st rounder on a torn meniscus lead guard ? He aint that good.
Ponds might go undrafted in last years draft class, but that doesn't make it any less likely he goes late first with the absence of ball handlers and distributors in this weak draft class.
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Re: Temetrius "Ja" Morant 

Post#27 » by Stillwater » Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:33 am

clyde21 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
Says who?

Me he's out for the season.


That's more incentive for him to actually leave early. Why would he go back to school when he's already the #1 PG?

It's debatable he is actually the clear #1 pg.
Like many of these prospects that go back and are fine, it's the one's that go to the league injured on a non guaranteed 2nd round deal that spend another year in rehab or the g-league instead of getting healthy re-establishing their value and going at minimum mid first and healthy. The only reason to declare is to try and avoid further injuries before the next draft.
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Re: Temetrius "Ja" Morant 

Post#28 » by EMG518 » Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:21 am

If he can get a 1st round promise then he should leave, otherwise back to school. I personally like Ja better injury or not.
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Re: Temetrius "Ja" Morant 

Post#29 » by doordoor123 » Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:36 am

Stillwater wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
That's more incentive for him to actually leave early. Why would he go back to school when he's already the #1 PG?


I would be surprised if he returns. If he does then it’s just bad advice.

And Shamorie Ponds in a 3rd string point guard in the NBA.

would you use a 1st rounder on a torn meniscus lead guard ? He aint that good.
Ponds might go undrafted in last years draft class, but that doesn't make it any less likely he goes late first with the absence of ball handlers and distributors in this weak draft class.


A torn meniscus isn’t a big deal for an 18 year old. Eric Bledsoe tore his meniscus one of his first few years and he’s fine now. It’s been not a big deal for around 10 years now. Plus at a young age it’s easier to recover and never have the same issue again.
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Re: Temetrius "Ja" Morant 

Post#30 » by nolang1 » Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:55 am

doordoor123 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:
I would be surprised if he returns. If he does then it’s just bad advice.

And Shamorie Ponds in a 3rd string point guard in the NBA.

would you use a 1st rounder on a torn meniscus lead guard ? He aint that good.
Ponds might go undrafted in last years draft class, but that doesn't make it any less likely he goes late first with the absence of ball handlers and distributors in this weak draft class.


A torn meniscus isn’t a big deal for an 18 year old. Eric Bledsoe tore his meniscus one of his first few years and he’s fine now. It’s been not a big deal for around 10 years now. Plus at a young age it’s easier to recover and never have the same issue again.


Westbrook and Jeremy Lin as well off the top of my head, and that's not the only injury those guys have had.
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Re: Temetrius "Ja" Morant 

Post#31 » by Stillwater » Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:24 am

nolang1 wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:would you use a 1st rounder on a torn meniscus lead guard ? He aint that good.
Ponds might go undrafted in last years draft class, but that doesn't make it any less likely he goes late first with the absence of ball handlers and distributors in this weak draft class.


A torn meniscus isn’t a big deal for an 18 year old. Eric Bledsoe tore his meniscus one of his first few years and he’s fine now. It’s been not a big deal for around 10 years now. Plus at a young age it’s easier to recover and never have the same issue again.


Westbrook and Jeremy Lin as well off the top of my head, and that's not the only injury those guys have had.

From a medical standpoint the repair is no big deal, but each person recovery is random.
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Re: Temetrius "Ja" Morant 

Post#32 » by doordoor123 » Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:58 am

Stillwater wrote:
nolang1 wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:
A torn meniscus isn’t a big deal for an 18 year old. Eric Bledsoe tore his meniscus one of his first few years and he’s fine now. It’s been not a big deal for around 10 years now. Plus at a young age it’s easier to recover and never have the same issue again.


Westbrook and Jeremy Lin as well off the top of my head, and that's not the only injury those guys have had.

From a medical standpoint the repair is no big deal, but each person recovery is random.


True, but there has been a lot of development on meniscus tears. It’s a pretty common bad injury.
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Re: Temetrius "Ja" Morant 

Post#33 » by Stillwater » Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:04 am

doordoor123 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
nolang1 wrote:
Westbrook and Jeremy Lin as well off the top of my head, and that's not the only injury those guys have had.

From a medical standpoint the repair is no big deal, but each person recovery is random.


True, but there has been a lot of development on meniscus tears. It’s a pretty common bad injury.

Guess it will come down to if he showed enough to justify the risk with healthy body's on the board .
I'm guessing would not go before 28 and likely slip to 31 even if past testing for whatever team gets the private workout because there's no way he attends combine either
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Re: Temetrius "Ja" Morant 

Post#34 » by The-Power » Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:19 pm

Stillwater wrote:would you use a 1st rounder on a torn meniscus lead guard ? He aint that good.

Hell yeah.
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Re: Temetrius "Ja" Morant 

Post#35 » by Stillwater » Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:54 pm

The-Power wrote:
Stillwater wrote:would you use a 1st rounder on a torn meniscus lead guard ? He aint that good.

Hell yeah.
maybe a late first I'd take chance if I was desperate for a high upside guard and there are no other positions of need on my roster, but there are so few teams with late firsts that don't have a legit pg in fact there are none.
If you would take an injured pg before another one like ja in the lottery, that's just poor management of assets.
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Re: Temetrius "Ja" Morant 

Post#36 » by The-Power » Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:04 pm

Stillwater wrote:
The-Power wrote:
Stillwater wrote:would you use a 1st rounder on a torn meniscus lead guard ? He aint that good.

Hell yeah.
maybe a late first I'd take chance if I was desperate for a high upside guard and there are no other positions of need on my roster, but there are so few teams with late firsts that don't have a legit pg in fact there are none.
If you would take an injured pg before another one like ja in the lottery, that's just poor management of assets.

If he's fully recovered by the time the pre-draft workouts start – so what? He might drop a few spots because he can't showcase his skills but no team will place him that much lower on their draft-board come draft night compared to where they rank him now. This only happens if his recovery is somehow in doubt. Poor asset management would be to draft a greatly talented player way past his healthy value just because he suffered a torn meniscus. If you had him as a mid-or even late-lotto prospect, for instance, there's no way you should let him fall into late in the first round unless there are clear medical red flags.
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Re: Temetrius "Ja" Morant 

Post#37 » by Hoopz Afrik » Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:09 pm

Stillwater wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
That's more incentive for him to actually leave early. Why would he go back to school when he's already the #1 PG?


I would be surprised if he returns. If he does then it’s just bad advice.

And Shamorie Ponds in a 3rd string point guard in the NBA.

would you use a 1st rounder on a torn meniscus lead guard ? He aint that good.
Ponds might go undrafted in last years draft class, but that doesn't make it any less likely he goes late first with the absence of ball handlers and distributors in this weak draft class.


Absolutely lol....he tore his meniscus, not his ACL/MCL/PCL/LCL all-in-one.
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Re: Temetrius "Ja" Morant 

Post#38 » by Stillwater » Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:33 pm

The-Power wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
The-Power wrote:Hell yeah.
maybe a late first I'd take chance if I was desperate for a high upside guard and there are no other positions of need on my roster, but there are so few teams with late firsts that don't have a legit pg in fact there are none.
If you would take an injured pg before another one like ja in the lottery, that's just poor management of assets.

If he's fully recovered by the time the pre-draft workouts start – so what? He might drop a few spots because he can't showcase his skills but no team will place him that much lower on their draft-board come draft night compared to where they rank him now. This only happens if his recovery is somehow in doubt. Poor asset management would be to draft a greatly talented player way past his healthy value just because he suffered a torn meniscus. If you had him as a mid-or even late-lotto prospect, for instance, there's no way you should let him fall into late in the first round unless there are clear medical red flags.

I would never value a players hs and college showcased skill and initial upside over my projections based on physical health , medical history and upside afterwards.
If he proves to be healthy it doesn't reestablish his former value...that requires proof over a season of playing without complications.
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Re: Temetrius "Ja" Morant 

Post#39 » by No-Man » Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:50 pm

Stillwater wrote:
The-Power wrote:
Stillwater wrote:maybe a late first I'd take chance if I was desperate for a high upside guard and there are no other positions of need on my roster, but there are so few teams with late firsts that don't have a legit pg in fact there are none.
If you would take an injured pg before another one like ja in the lottery, that's just poor management of assets.

If he's fully recovered by the time the pre-draft workouts start – so what? He might drop a few spots because he can't showcase his skills but no team will place him that much lower on their draft-board come draft night compared to where they rank him now. This only happens if his recovery is somehow in doubt. Poor asset management would be to draft a greatly talented player way past his healthy value just because he suffered a torn meniscus. If you had him as a mid-or even late-lotto prospect, for instance, there's no way you should let him fall into late in the first round unless there are clear medical red flags.

I would never value a players hs and college showcased skill and initial upside over my projections based on physical health , medical history and upside afterwards.
If he proves to be healthy it doesn't reestablish his former value...that requires proof over a season of playing without complications.


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Re: Temetrius "Ja" Morant 

Post#40 » by Capn'O » Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:54 pm

I like what I've seen from him a lot.

SeattleJazzFan wrote:Morant is for real. Top 15 easy.


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