Official UCF Sports Thread - Basketball: NIT Bid? Football: Spring Practice Underway

[tiderulz]

I am not guessing, believe me.

The school is very much aware of what Milton's condition is and I have a very intimate knowledge of the inner workings of UCF Athletics. I personally worked in their athletic department for several years up until recently and am extremely close with numerous people that are still within the department that have direct access and knowledge of the situation at hand.

then they are very close to breaking HITECH and HIPAA regulations by sharing information with you without approval from Milton or his family.

Are you sure? My understanding is that only medical professionals can violate HIPAA. I.e. your nurse telling someone your condition without consent is a violation. If you tell me you broke your leg an I tell my friend, I'm not violating it.

medical professionals or someone administering the plan. So if the information was shared with representatives of UCF (coaches, etc) and they shared the info, they could be held liable.

[tiderulz]

because my day job is data privacy and security. If his information is being told to other people at UCF, they are opening themselves to lawsuits

My suggestion would be for you to sue the school then.

Otherwise, you should probably just lighten up.

And just so you are aware, the Milton family not sharing the information with the general public on social media doesn't mean they were refusing to share it with anybody.

There were probably legitimately 100-150 people who knew the extent of Milton's injuries by Saturday morning with the information coming directly from the family.

and maybe you dont share some rumor about a kid you have zero relationship with that could possibly hurt his future.

[Knightro]

then they are very close to breaking HITECH and HIPAA regulations by sharing information with you without approval from Milton or his family.

Are you sure? My understanding is that only medical professionals can violate HIPAA. I.e. your nurse telling someone your condition without consent is a violation. If you tell me you broke your leg an I tell my friend, I'm not violating it.

medical professionals or someone administering the plan. So if the information was shared with representatives of UCF (coaches, etc) and they shared the info, they could be held liable.

That isn't how it went down.

No one is sharing information they received from the doctors. No doctor told anyone they weren't supposed to tell.

The Milton family has been in direct contact with hundreds of people - UCF football players, coaches, administrators, other family members and close friends - keeping them informed of his progress.

Those individuals did not share many specifics of that information, but it was only out of respect to the family, not because they legally weren't allowed to.

Just because data security expert tiderulz on Real GM didn't know doesn't mean a lot of other people didn't know.

[Knightro]

and maybe you dont share some rumor about a kid you have zero relationship with that could possibly hurt his future.

No. 1: It wasn't a rumor. Everything I said was accurate.

No. 2: I didn't share anything that anyone couldn't have reasonably deduced all on their own.

We knew Milton was rushed straight to the hospital during the game which wouldn't have been the case for a torn ACL or dislocated knee cap. We also knew Milton was rushed straight into surgery.

Putting two and two together, the only reason he'd have to have immediate surgery within moments of getting injured would be because of a blood flow problem which is a very common occurrence off a dislocated knee.

If you have a blood flow problem, you're having surgery to save a limb. That was literally all I said.

This isn't rocket science.

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[UCF]

CFP committee is a joke. 3 of 12 members have a clear conflict of interest (UF, OSU, OU) to where they shouldn’t even be allowed to vote at all.

Putting 2 loss Michigan ahead of us is as low as it gets imo.

[UCF]

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talk about bitter sweet

[UCF]

Yup, even with missing a game and most of the USF game he still won. I’ll miss seeing him play the most of any Knight.

All conference awards came out and no surprise we cleaned house for the most part. The lone exception being coach of the year going to Fickle at UC. They had a remarkable turnabout this year for that program.

[EAS Law]

HIPPA applies to medical professionals and insurance providers.

UCF isn’t opening themselves up to any libility. They’ve chosen to respect his privacy.

Source: my JD didn’t come from Google.

[UCF]

Does FERPA cover this scenario like it would his student academic records?

[UCF]

UCF’s seven All-AAC First Team selections:

Quarterback McKenzie Milton
Offensive Tackle Jake Brown
Offensive Guard Cole Schneider
Center Jordan Johnson
Linebacker Nate Evans
Cornerback Nevelle Clarke
Safety Richie Grant

UCF landed eight selections (seven student-athletes) on the All-AAC Second Team:

Wide Receiver Gabriel Davis
Offensive Tackle Wyatt Miller
Running Back Adrian Killins
Defensive Lineman Titus Davis
Defensive Lineman Brendon Hayes
Linebacker Pat Jasinski
Kicker Matthew Wright
Return Specialist Adrian Killins

Two more Knights were named to the All-AAC Honorable Mention list:

Tight End Michael Colubiale
Cornerback Brandon Moore

[tiderulz]

HIPPA applies to medical professionals and insurance providers.

UCF isn’t opening themselves up to any libility. They’ve chosen to respect his privacy.

Source: my JD didn’t come from Google.

it applies to more than that. It also applies to agents of covered entities, which can include companies that administer health plans, billing companies, outside lawyers, accountants, and IT staff.

i didnt get my degree from Google either

[UCFJayBird]

UCF’s seven All-AAC First Team selections:

Quarterback McKenzie Milton
Offensive Tackle Jake Brown
Offensive Guard Cole Schneider
Center Jordan Johnson
Linebacker Nate Evans
Cornerback Nevelle Clarke
Safety Richie Grant

UCF landed eight selections (seven student-athletes) on the All-AAC Second Team:

Wide Receiver Gabriel Davis
Offensive Tackle Wyatt Miller
Running Back Adrian Killins
Defensive Lineman Titus Davis
Defensive Lineman Brendon Hayes
Linebacker Pat Jasinski
Kicker Matthew Wright
Return Specialist Adrian Killins

Two more Knights were named to the All-AAC Honorable Mention list:

Tight End Michael Colubiale
Cornerback Brandon Moore

While I love the love, can't really agree with Killins, who has been good but McCrae has been better. And Killins as a Return Specialist? I don't even think he's the main guy back there this year, certainly can't think of very many big returns he's had.

Also personally think King deserved it over Milton but they're close.

[Knightro]

it applies to more than that. It also applies to agents of covered entities, which can include companies that administer health plans, billing companies, outside lawyers, accountants, and IT staff.

i didnt get my degree from Google either

You're definitely not wrong in your knowledge of HIPAA. I know that you know what you're talking about and I apologize if I insinuated in any way, shape or form that you didn't (I don't think I did, but just to be safe).

That said...

There were no HIPAA related issues to this situation. Not from UCF. Not from me. Not from anyone.

The Milton family kept a large number of people (over 100) well informed of McKenzie's condition over the weekend.

Any one of those people that were kept in the loop were well within their legal rights to tell anyone they wanted - including the media and fans.

Out of respect for the family, the people who were made aware (including myself) didn't make the exact details of Milton's condition known publicly, but legally they could have told anyone they wanted.

UCF could have released a statement updating how badly injured Milton was Friday night after the game if they were so inclined. They knew exactly how hurt he was because Milton's parents told them directly. They opted to let the family make the official announcement because that was the respectful thing to do, not because they were legally obligated.

[tiderulz]

it applies to more than that. It also applies to agents of covered entities, which can include companies that administer health plans, billing companies, outside lawyers, accountants, and IT staff.

i didnt get my degree from Google either

You're definitely not wrong in your knowledge of HIPAA. I know that you know what you're talking about and I apologize if I insinuated in any way, shape or form that you didn't (I don't think I did, but just to be safe).

That said...

There were no HIPAA related issues to this situation. Not from UCF. Not from me. Not from anyone.

The Milton family kept a large number of people (over 100) well informed of McKenzie's condition over the weekend.

Any one of those people that were kept in the loop were well within their legal rights to tell anyone they wanted - including the media and fans.

Out of respect for the family, the people who were made aware (including myself) didn't make the exact details of Milton's condition known publicly, but legally they could have told anyone they wanted.

UCF could have released a statement updating how badly injured Milton was Friday night after the game if they were so inclined. They knew exactly how hurt he was because Milton's parents told them directly. They opted to let the family make the official announcement because that was the respectful thing to do, not because they were legally obligated.

my opinion, if UCF had released a statement about the injury to Milton against his and his family wishes or without their approval, they would have opened themselves up to a lawsuit and legal repercussions, as they are the company that administers the health plan for the student athletes. If the Milton family okayed a statement describing the injuries, then that would be different. we'll just leave it at differing opinions and move on.

[Knightro]

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[EAS Law]

HIPPA applies to medical professionals and insurance providers.

UCF isn’t opening themselves up to any libility. They’ve chosen to respect his privacy.

Source: my JD didn’t come from Google.

it applies to more than that. It also applies to agents of covered entities, which can include companies that administer health plans, billing companies, outside lawyers, accountants, and IT staff.

i didnt get my degree from Google either

Those other professions may be liabile in the event of a breach, but they are not in violation of HIPPA, which defines “covered entities”— check this out:

https://privacyruleandresearch.nih.gov/pr_06.asp


That means that the Act covers the three entities mentioned. Lawyers and other professionals have specific duties to their clients to protect sensitive information and might be in breach of those duties, but not HIPPA necessarily.

I’m not here to get into a pissing match about degrees, but my point is that UCF did not violate HIPPA in any way. As a matter of fact, I’m sure that somewhere along the process of signing the scholarship docs there is a waiver of certain rights or a grant of permission for school employees to view and handle medical info.

[tiderulz]

HIPPA applies to medical professionals and insurance providers.

UCF isn’t opening themselves up to any libility. They’ve chosen to respect his privacy.

Source: my JD didn’t come from Google.

it applies to more than that. It also applies to agents of covered entities, which can include companies that administer health plans, billing companies, outside lawyers, accountants, and IT staff.

i didnt get my degree from Google either

Those other professions may be liabile in the event of a breach, but they are not in violation of HIPPA, which defines “covered entities”— check this out:

https://privacyruleandresearch.nih.gov/pr_06.asp


That means that the Act covers the three entities mentioned. Lawyers and other professionals have specific duties to their clients to protect sensitive information and might be in breach of those duties, but not HIPPA necessarily.

I’m not here to get into a pissing match about degrees, but my point is that UCF did not violate HIPPA in any way. As a matter of fact, I’m sure that somewhere along the process of signing the scholarship docs there is a waiver of certain rights or a grant of permission for school employees to view and handle medical info.

it seemed like it, considering your initial statement

[UCF]

Moot point now anyway with his mom releasing the information.

About 2,000 tickets left for Saturday and an equal amount of resale. These guys need our support...

And we play Alabama tonight in basketball! Go Knights