Fake Trade Thread 2

[MasterIchiro]

I would try to dump Zeller while he still has a little value. Poor guy is getting ready to fall off a cliff in terms of production when he loses his next level of athleticism.

Maybe Cody + filler + 2nd round picks for Thompson

If we nail this next offseason and Kemba/Miles keep improving, we could have a max slot for Anthony Davis in 2020 or have a bunch of exprings/picks for New Orleans

I would be shocked if we could move Batum

Zeller fits on the Bulls plus they have cap and an expiring. Zeller straight up for Lopez.

Biz + Bacon + 2 second rounders for TT.

With TT you can run Monk with Kemba and close with smaller lineups without getting killed in the paint on defense/rebounding. I figure with Cody gone, they can keep Lamb, so no need for Bacon.

Next year you drop Cody + Parker + Frank

Kemba - Graham
Monk - Lamb
Miles - Batum
MKG - Marvin
TT - Hernangomez

This is a deep team that is better defensively and can run small ball like JB likes to do.

Like these except I would try to keep Bacon even if I had to add another 2nd.....my hope would be for Bacon to take Batums spot on your lineup after this

Batum, top 8 protected 1st to the Kings for Zach Randolph and Shumpert/Koufos (Kings choose which to trade or keep)

Kings don't have a pick this year so this gets them a pick to keep adding talent, and needed help on the wing. They aren't attracting free agents so Batum doesn't totally cripple them

I could also configure it this way...

Kemba
Monk
Batum
Miles
TT

Graham
Lamb
MKG
Marvin
Hernangomez

[MasterIchiro]

With Tristan Thompson you can really cheat on the perimeter. He would improve rebounding a bunch. He's a huge upgrade over Cody Zeller. Zeller is too soft for a team short on rebounding and defense.

[Diop]

TT has been really good this year, especially rebounding. He would fit nicely

[JMAC3]

I don’t want to give up anything of value for Tristian Thompson


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[MasterIchiro]

Amcoolio is right. We have to get out of the Zeller deal. Again, they just can't play small with Zeller out there. He doesn't rebound and he's a weak rim protector. He's a big pussy and he's getting slower.

[NCHeels2008]

TT's little hot streak shouldn't diminish a larger sample size that he's a bad contract

[JDR720]

TT's little hot streak shouldn't diminish a larger sample size that he's a bad contract

He is expiring next season and is better than cody

[JDR720]

No way in hell I'd give up two first rounders to get that kind of package

its more about getting rid of 2 bad contracts.

Doesn't matter, you don't give up two first round picks as a fringe playoff team for salary dump. And even though he's still a productive player, Tristan Thompson is overpaid and isn't that much better than Cody in reality

But we need to dump salary to keep Kemba or we'll be a lot worse than a fringe po team

[bravor]

Deadline is in 3 months, don't need to do panic moves that merely improves the team. There aremany quality expiring, including on teams which are far from the play offs race (and from contending).

Kupchak ideally 'just' has to get rid of either Batum or Biyombo then things get much better. Other players can be considered as assets (Marvin included) as they are not on bad contracts.

In January guys like Bradley will become available. And not many teams have capspace, many are close from luxury tax, things get better for 7/8 like nyk, Dallas etc in 2020. Add the fact that those teams have probably max extension to sign with key players, Hornets are not in despair and Kupchak has some leverage.

Before thinking about how bad Biyombo or Batum are, consider that there are players with as bad contracts as their who are not even playable by their team.. (or that plays for worst performance). For the record, before the beginning of this season, Gallo was considered as one of the worst contracts in the league (same could be said for Ibaka and probably others)

Grass is not always greener on the other side. There are reasons to be optimistic and no need to overpay to fix the team.

[LofJ]

The trade market won't really open up until December 15th, so we're almost there. That's when guys who were signed to be trade assets this summer like Ariza, J Parker, Dedmon, Bjelica, half of the Lakers and Clippers rosters, etc. will become available.

[stinger14]

Biz and two 2nds for TT is something I would explore

Contracts are identical, Cavs get more picks while TT does nothing for them the next 2 years, Hornets get rid of a player that is useless and adds toughness to the Center position. This deal is similar to the Korver/Burks deal the Cavs made yesterday

[MasterIchiro]

In the post game interviews someone mentioned there were trade rumors floating around last night and asked JB how it could affect the team. JB of course slammed the door and said this is our team. It's kind of interesting how well Lamb has been playing since the Beal rumors started. It's also clear that Kemba is frustrated beyond belief with his shouldering the load and feeling burnt out. If I had to pick a target I'd say he's furious with Batum, just like we feel. If Nic were doing more we wouldn't need a #2 and Kemba's buddy Lamb wouldn't be on the chopping block.

The goal has to be the impossible.

Kupchak has to move Nic Batum.

It's very risky it could turn into a worse contract like Love. But at least Batum would not be draining morale out there. In the post game JB mentioned by name every player getting better and asserted everyone's getting better.

My opinion is Batum's getting worse. That's the big elephant in the room.

Batum for Love maybe preserves Monk, lets us keep our first and saves Lamb. Lamb is putting in serious effort and youn have to assume the UConn backcourt is tight

[Braggins]

TT is awful. Im not sure what ya'll are talking about. Cody is better and its not even close.

All TT does well is rebound. He doesnt defend and is one of the worst rim protecting centers out there. He sucks on offense and has low bbiq. Hes stat padding offensive rebounds on an awful team. No one should be fooled by this.

[MasterIchiro]

Also, JB admitted it's tough to take out Frank right now. So maybe Hernangomez can be traded.

[LofJ]

It may seem insane but I'm honestly more tempted to trade for Wiggins than I am Love. They're both desperation trades though, so I'd exhaust all other options before trading for either of them.

[Braggins]

Id only entertain K Love trades if Batum is outgoing. I wonder if we could swing Batum for Love without giving up any 1sts then get Porter from Washington for our 2019 1st? If we could pull that off without completely wrecking our salary cap situation wed have a pretty nice lineup. Kemba/Lamb/Porter/Love/Cody might actually be really good.

[MasterIchiro]

Hornets
T.J. Warren
Trevor Ariza (expiring)

Suns
Devonté Graham
Willy Hernangomez
1st round pick
Nic Batum

Kemba - Parker
Lamb - Monk - Bacon
Warren - Bridges
Ariza - MKG - Marvin
Cody - Frank - Biz

[MasterIchiro]

It may seem insane but I'm honestly more tempted to trade for Wiggins than I am Love. They're both desperation trades though, so I'd exhaust all other options before trading for either of them.

My thinking is Kemba is exhausted by Batum. At least Love hits shots and rebounds. At this point, Batum doesn't do ****. Kupchak must be exhausted as well. It's terrifying facing that Love contract. But really I can't imagine there are many options if any.

[MasterIchiro]

Id only entertain K Love trades if Batum is outgoing. I wonder if we could swing Batum for Love without giving up any 1sts then get Porter from Washington for our 2019 1st? If we could pull that off without completely wrecking our salary cap situation wed have a pretty nice lineup. Kemba/Lamb/Porter/Love/Cody might actually be really good.

100% agree to not giving up a draft while taking on Love. 2 second rounders + a shorter contract. Cavs can't beat that.

I think Wiz would be floored to get a 1st + filler for Porter.

[MasterIchiro]

Batum + 2 second rounders for Love

1st + Biz + Marvin for Porter

Kemba - Parker - Graham
Lamb - Monk - Bacon
Porter - Miles
Love - MKG
Cody - Frank - Hernangomez