Fake Trade Thread 2

[LofJ]

Batum + 2 second rounders for Love

1st + Biz + Marvin for Porter

Kemba - Parker - Graham
Lamb - Monk - Bacon
Porter - Miles
Love - MKG
Cody - Frank - Hernangomez

This seems doable and I don't hate it. We'd be better this season and take a hit to our depth next season, but that's going to happen anyway.

[MasterIchiro]

Batum + 2 second rounders for Love

1st + Biz + Marvin for Porter

Kemba - Parker - Graham
Lamb - Monk - Bacon
Porter - Miles
Love - MKG
Cody - Frank - Hernangomez

This seems doable and I don't hate it. We'd be better this season and take a hit to our depth next season, but that's going to happen anyway.

Certainly, it's a consolidation move. We trim serious dead weight in Batum + Marvin + Biz. Next year we might lose Parker and Lamb, making Monk the starting SG backed up by Bacon. Monk would also be 3rd string PG behind Graham. Love would be starting PF and 3rd string center behind Hernangomez since Frank would be gone. But we have the versatility to manage the loss of Parker + Lamb + Frank. Kemba + Love + Porter is not an elite top three but it's the best we can do. Graham + Monk + Miles + MKG + Willy are good prospects who will continue to get better and give us a solid 9-10 man rotation next year:

Kemba
Monk
Porter
Love
Cody
Graham
Bacon
Miles
MKG
Willy

[MasterIchiro]

That team is a division winner with young upside.

[Braggins]

Batum + 2 second rounders for Love

1st + Biz + Marvin for Porter

Kemba - Parker - Graham
Lamb - Monk - Bacon
Porter - Miles
Love - MKG
Cody - Frank - Hernangomez

I honestly don't generally like the idea of trading for Love at all. His contract/age/health situation is terrifying and I would be worried the end of his career arc could be similar to David Lee and he could end up being pretty much unplayable a lot faster than we'd expect. However, we don't really have a lot of options to meaningful improve in the short term without severely mortgaging the future, so if we could pull off those moves together it could actually make sense. Its actually hard to imagine a better fit for K Love than that setup and I think Porter could be fantastic here. If we could do it while retaining our ability to resign Kemba and Lamb then I would be intrigued.

I wonder if we could go even deeper and get George Hill? Its probably just wishful thinking, but this entire scenario might be, so oh well. Hed give us a substantial upgrade at backup PG and a big expiring salary. It would kind of be doing Parker dirty because we'd probably have to send him out for salary matching, but we could work something out where he joins JB's coaching staff after being bought out by CLE/WASH.

Some of those 2nd round picks we have incoming are actually good. The one Cleveland owes us in 2020 will likely be in the 30-35 range and be essentially a late 1st. We have two Brooklyn 2nds, one in 2020 and another in 2021, that likely won't be any later than 40ish. One of Frank/WHG (Washington actually needs a young stretch 5) is expendable and we also don't really need Bacon.

Batum + 2 2nds for Love
Biz + 1-2 2nds for Hill
Marv + TP + Frank/WHG + 1st for Porter

Kemba/Hill/Graham
Lamb/Monk
Porter/Miles/Bacon
Love/MKG
Cody/Frank or WHG

You could actually make lineups with Love at center (not starting) work if the forwards next to him are Porter/MKG.

Kemba/Lamb/Porter/MKG/Love would be a fun closing/death lineup.

[bravor]

Imo, Kupchak has to use the scouting staff to check who has a chance to become solid all star and try to trade for this kind of player, then trade for an all star (see Washington) but preferably a "decent" contract (Kemba is the star of the team..). Just not at all price.

About Love, Millsap has a 30M team option for next year. For the same amount of money, you have a pf that plays on both end still at an elite level. At worst, he is free agent in 2020 and not necessary ring chasing (i mean vet mini at gsw). And there are other options (i'd rather see Gallinari here, especially because he has a much better offensive game than Marvin and an excellent passer that can make it up for his defense).
Kaminsky will either be traded or Cody. I don't see both staying one more year, and Hernangomez option is low enough to justify to keep him (imo, we will see).

For the fun of it, i added Love & Porter contracts in the projection stuff (again on a 165M basis extension for Kemba). You have like zero flexibility moving forward, yet you have to find a new friendly deal with Lamb and make sure Kemba takes a discount (165M). And that is taking into account you get rid of both Batum and Biyombo.

I made a projection with 'just' the Batum swap with Hill (just so that everyone realize how profitable it would be). Basically if you renounce to Hill (1M according to Spotrac), you write Batum off the books. Then you can work on something nice that won't necessary means geting rid of Biyombo at 'all cost'.
Beal's contract is much more interesting btw (2 more years). Knowing the real deals at sg in next years are probably hart, Harris and alike.





Batum + whatever is needed as picks for Hill works salary wise
Biyombo/Monk for Gallinari works too.

Which would mean moving Marvin for an expiring, ideally (or even work something with the clippers, Biyombo/Monk/Marvin for Gallo/Bradley)

[Braggins]

About Love, Millsap has a 30M team option for next year. For the same amount of money, you have a pf that plays on both end still at an elite level. At worst, he is free agent in 2020 and not necessary ring chasing (i mean vet mini at gsw). And there are other options (i'd rather see Gallinari here, especially because he has a much better offensive game than Marvin and an excellent passer that can make it up for his defense).

Well, yeah, I'd much rather have Milsap and would even probably prefer Galinari as well because of his contract, but neither of those guys are very likely to become available unless I'm missing something.

Washington is a dumpster fire and Cleveland is definitely going to have to trade Love. I'd go after Porter regardless if the price is right. Love would be one of the last options Id go after and might prefer doing nothing over trading for him, but we might not have many options, so its worth looking into imo.

For the fun of it, i added Love & Porter contracts in the projection stuff (again on a 165M basis extension for Kemba). You have like zero flexibility moving forward, yet you have to find a new friendly deal with Lamb and make sure Kemba takes a discount (165M). And that is taking into account you get rid of both Batum and Biyombo.

This is my main issue with that line of trades. We'd be all in on that core and have no financial flexibility for a few years unless we gave up additional picks, but the roster itself actually makes a lot of sense and it might take moving some big pieces into place to get Kemba to stay and take a discount (which we need him to do anyways or we still will have no cap flexibility).

I could actually see us being in contention for making the ECF this year with that roster and if Miles/Monk develop well over the next couple years we could sustain or even improve on that. Its definitely risky, but there also aren't a lot of options that I could imagine leading to that much success other than just hoping Miles and/or Monk become stars and we make a splash in free agency in a couple years.

I made a projection with 'just' the Batum swap with Hill (just so that everyone realize how profitable it would be). Basically if you renounce to Hill (1M according to Spotrac), you write Batum off the books. Then you can work on something nice that won't necessary means geting rid of Biyombo at 'all cost'.

I'd definitely be into a trade like that. One of the main reasons I'd consider doing a devils bargain for Love is because of how awful Batum's contract is. If we could just get rid of it in a simple move that would be fantastic.

[MasterIchiro]

For the record I hate that Love contract and the Cavs must hate it as well. But I'll take the next 2 years of production from Love over Batum any day. There is long term risk that is significant but Batum is a total loss and the Cavs don't benefit from a 2 year window with Love. So they'd be happy to take two second rounders for him. As limited as our options, so are theirs. They got 2 second rounders plus an expiring for Korver. That's probably similar to a Love return - a shorter contract plus late draft picks.

[Braggins]

Kemba + Love + Porter is not an elite top three but it's the best we can do.

Idk, if Love sustains his level of play from the past two years I think that would be comparable to Giannis/Middleton/Bledsoe and Kyrie/Horford/Tatum (for now, Tatum could still make a huge leap) and we'd still have good depth.

Beal is probably better than Love, but we'd also be getting Porter as a huge upgrade over Batum and could keep Miles/Monk and our depth (assuming we are in the ball park with our valuations).

I'm actually pretty high on Porter and think he'd be a great fit here. He was 4th among SF's in defensive RPM last season and shot 44% from 3pt on medium volume. His offensive RPM was actually even higher, but he is just a good glue guy on that end and not a high impact scorer. He'd be a good pickup in any scenario imo.

[LofJ]

I'm all-in with the idea of getting Porter. He doesn't have Beal's playmaking ability, but he's an elite shooter and a plus defender. He would be a massive upgrade over Batum. We also need to develop Monk's playmaking ability anyway, having another plus defender in Porter would help us do that. Like Batum/Marvin, Porter is a big enough wing to give us lineup flexibility so we can play 3 wing sets with two playmakers and not get killed on defense and the boards.

[MasterIchiro]

And let's remember Love is a #2 scorer. We'd be turning Batum into a #2 scorer while Kemba is in his prime and we're more likely to win a bunch of these close games over the next two seasons. We'd also be keeping our first. If the price is too unaffordable for Beal then bring in Love. Porter works well with Love, especially having MKG and Miles. It all makes sense and makes us better. Kemba and Porter are in their prime and we have a solid prospects and young players with upside. So while we lose all financial flexibility we're not old and we're not capped.

[MasterIchiro]

We can close with this:

Kemba
Monk
Porter
Miles/MKG
Love

[MasterIchiro]

We can close with this:

Kemba
Monk
Porter
Miles/MKG
Love

We'd have 4-5 three point threats at the end of every game. We'd terrorize.

[catch20two]

Exactly how much do Otto Porter offer that Batum doesn’t? Serious question. That’s essentially trading one bad contract that you’re familiar with for another that you aren’t familiar with.

[LofJ]

Exactly how much do Otto Porter offer that Batum doesn’t? Serious question. That’s essentially trading one bad contract that you’re familiar with for another that you aren’t familiar with.

Porter is a much better shooter than Batum and they're comparable defenders. Porter is also in his athletic prime while Batum is exiting his. I'm significantly more confident in Porter playing well or even improving over the next 2.5 years than I am Batum.

[catch20two]

Exactly how much do Otto Porter offer that Batum doesn’t? Serious question. That’s essentially trading one bad contract that you’re familiar with for another that you aren’t familiar with.

Porter is a much better shooter than Batum and they're comparable defenders. Porter is also in his athletic prime while Batum is exiting his. I'm significantly more confident in Porter playing well or even improving over the next 2.5 years than I am Batum.

Porter is ‘slightly’ better than Batum at shooting. His contract is ‘slightly’ bigger than Batum’s. His production is ‘slightly’ better than Batum’s when Batum is struggling. I don’t think that warrants trading for to be honest.

I know we all want to rid ourselves of Batum but I don’t think this type of lateral move is worth it all things considered.

This trade wouldn’t make sense for neither team except for the team that hose the other team of draft picks.

[LofJ]

Exactly how much do Otto Porter offer that Batum doesn’t? Serious question. That’s essentially trading one bad contract that you’re familiar with for another that you aren’t familiar with.

Porter is a much better shooter than Batum and they're comparable defenders. Porter is also in his athletic prime while Batum is exiting his. I'm significantly more confident in Porter playing well or even improving over the next 2.5 years than I am Batum.

Porter is ‘slightly’ better than Batum at shooting. His contract is ‘slightly’ bigger than Batum’s. His production is ‘slightly’ better than Batum’s when Batum is struggling. I don’t think that warrants trading for to be honest.

I know we all want to rid ourselves of Batum but I don’t think this type of lateral move is worth it all things considered.

This trade wouldn’t make sense for neither team except for the team that hose the other team of draft picks.

Porter is a significantly better shooter than Batum, the difference is not slight there. And Porter is over 4 years younger than Batum. Who do you think will give us better production over the next 3 seasons - Porter or Batum?

That said I agree that we likely wouldn't be able to trade Batum for Porter straight up. A trade where we send out Marvin and Biz to another team for a draft asset with cap relief going to Washington is likely what would happen. Batum would need to be moved in a separate trade.

[bravor]

Beal/J. Parker would look much better imo. And probably cheaper for the Parker part. You would also save the money from Lamb's extension btw (either if Monk is staying or if you get a vet like Lin or alike to run the team as 6th man).

[catch20two]

Porter is a much better shooter than Batum and they're comparable defenders. Porter is also in his athletic prime while Batum is exiting his. I'm significantly more confident in Porter playing well or even improving over the next 2.5 years than I am Batum.

Porter is ‘slightly’ better than Batum at shooting. His contract is ‘slightly’ bigger than Batum’s. His production is ‘slightly’ better than Batum’s when Batum is struggling. I don’t think that warrants trading for to be honest.

I know we all want to rid ourselves of Batum but I don’t think this type of lateral move is worth it all things considered.

This trade wouldn’t make sense for neither team except for the team that hose the other team of draft picks.

Porter is a significantly better shooter than Batum, the difference is not slight there. And Porter is over 4 years younger than Batum. Who do you think will give us better production over the next 3 seasons - Porter or Batum?

That said I agree that we likely wouldn't be able to trade Batum for Porter straight up. A trade where we send out Marvin and Biz to another team for a draft asset with cap relief going to Washington is likely what would happen. Batum would need to be moved in a separate trade.

“Significantly better shooter” just doesn’t bode well with me when Batum currently has a slightly higher 3pt shooting percentage on essentially the same amount of makes/attempts per game. Although I’m figuring you’re referring to the plus 40% 3pt shooter Porter has been the previous seasons so I’ll give you this argument.

I don’t like the idea of adding Porter. Idk it just lacks the enough upside to justify not preferring cap relief and kicking the tires on MKG/Bridges/Bacon eating all of the SF minutes.

[LofJ]

Porter is ‘slightly’ better than Batum at shooting. His contract is ‘slightly’ bigger than Batum’s. His production is ‘slightly’ better than Batum’s when Batum is struggling. I don’t think that warrants trading for to be honest.

I know we all want to rid ourselves of Batum but I don’t think this type of lateral move is worth it all things considered.

This trade wouldn’t make sense for neither team except for the team that hose the other team of draft picks.

Porter is a significantly better shooter than Batum, the difference is not slight there. And Porter is over 4 years younger than Batum. Who do you think will give us better production over the next 3 seasons - Porter or Batum?

That said I agree that we likely wouldn't be able to trade Batum for Porter straight up. A trade where we send out Marvin and Biz to another team for a draft asset with cap relief going to Washington is likely what would happen. Batum would need to be moved in a separate trade.

“Significantly better shooter” just doesn’t bode well with me when Batum currently has a slightly higher 3pt shooting percentage on essentially the same amount of makes/attempts per game. Although I’m figuring you’re referring to the plus 40% 3pt shooter Porter has been the previous seasons so I’ll give you this argument.

I don’t like the idea of adding Porter. Idk it just lacks the enough upside to justify not preferring cap relief and kicking the tires on MKG/Bridges/Bacon eating all of the SF minutes.

Porter can play both 3 and 4. And like I said before I doubt we'd be able to move Batum for Porter. WAS wouldn't want him and if it was a 3 team deal the other club would want Porter, not Batum.

I made the argument for Porter over Batum, but I'd also do the same for him over Marvin + Biz. I don't think Batum will be traded during the season anyway. We're more likely to move Marvin and/or Biz. This lineup with Porter taking Marvin's spot would make the team a lot better this season AND give us a little more cap breathing room next summer:

Kemba/Parker
Lamb/Monk
Batum/Bridges
Porter/MKG
Zeller/Willy/Frank

[JDR720]

Biz + 2 2nd's for Robin Lopez (expiring)

Nic + 1st + 1 2nd for Love (5yrs)

Biz + top 20 1st for Wes Matthews (expiring)

Marvin + 2 2nd's for Morris and Satoransky (both expiring)