Knicks featured on latest "The Ringer" Podcast

Dr. Detfink · Post #101 » by **Dr. Detfink** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:26 pm

NJ-NYK-17 wrote:https://www.theringer.com/2018/11/27/18115116/the-mismatch-can-rockets-and-jazz-turn-it-around

Starting at the 36 minute talk - Chris Vernon and Kevin O'Conner talk a good 10 minutes on the Knicks. Vernon claims to have spoke to a lot of people closely involved in the franchise.

Key Point -

1 - The organization LOVES trier and is also really high on Mitchell Robinson future.
2- Mario experiment feeling like disappointment
3 - disappointment in Knox thus far
4 - everyone Vernon talked to within the organization is OUT on Frank and his future.

I'm sure I missed some points, and some of these conclusions we could've come to ourselves, but it is interesting to hear from someone who claims to have inside knowledge.

THAT truly makes me sad. :noway:

This IS why the New York Knicks remain stuck in NBA purgatory. The Front Office is simply NOT patient enough to truly rebuild.

Post #102 » by **dakomish23** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:31 pm

K-DOT wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
DaGawd wrote:Me personally I don't think he a would bring back a ton. But I know he's still young and a lot of GMs and fans fall for the ole "Potential" ideology so theres always that chance a GM bites and gives away more than he's probably worth

on the athletic pod cast the guys called him a top 3 defender at the point of attack in the entire NBA which at 20 years old is NUTS...why in the word do you give that up??? Instead focus on getting him to just to an average offensive player and you have a very impactful player.

If all Frank does on offense is get his 3pt% up to even 38% consistently, he'd be an immensely valuable asset to a good team

Like the guard version of Draymond. Maybe he never becomes a full time PG, and if all he does is become a 3+D guy with good passing, sure that's a little disappointing, but that's a guy any good team would love to have

And would hands down be the 2nd best player on this current roster.

JBreezeNY · Post #103 » by **JBreezeNY** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:19 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:
JBreezeNY wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:
The Warriors play team oriented ball and move the ball better then any team in the league...and Durant is on that team

Im very aware of what type of team the warriors are, my statement remains the same about Durant.

Iso'ing is necessary at times and you often need a great iso player like Durant. Durant can play in a system and thrive too.

Knicks problem even goes beyond just iso'ing or even Durant though. We need a system.

All I’m saying fam is Kevin constantly breaks plays for Golden State, us having a system isn’t going to be a problem, we’ll have something more in place after the roster has been set and KP is accumulated.

whocares1 · Post #104 » by **whocares1** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:42 pm

dakomish23 wrote:
K-DOT wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
on the athletic pod cast the guys called him a top 3 defender at the point of attack in the entire NBA which at 20 years old is NUTS...why in the word do you give that up??? Instead focus on getting him to just to an average offensive player and you have a very impactful player.

If all Frank does on offense is get his 3pt% up to even 38% consistently, he'd be an immensely valuable asset to a good team

Like the guard version of Draymond. Maybe he never becomes a full time PG, and if all he does is become a 3+D guy with good passing, sure that's a little disappointing, but that's a guy any good team would love to have

And would hands down be the 2nd best player on this current roster.

So if he went from a terrible three point shooter to a legitimately good three point shooter he’d be the second best player on a team devoid of talent?

Excellent.

Post #105 » by **dakomish23** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:56 pm

whocares1 wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:
K-DOT wrote:If all Frank does on offense is get his 3pt% up to even 38% consistently, he'd be an immensely valuable asset to a good team

Like the guard version of Draymond. Maybe he never becomes a full time PG, and if all he does is become a 3+D guy with good passing, sure that's a little disappointing, but that's a guy any good team would love to have

And would hands down be the 2nd best player on this current roster.

So if he went from a terrible three point shooter to a legitimately good three point shooter he’d be the second best player on a team devoid of talent?

Excellent.

Devoid? Couldn’t tell by the way you talk about them sometimes :lol:

If he made 9 3’s that he’s missed in the 22 games he played, he’d fit this criteria.

whocares1 · Post #106 » by **whocares1** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:05 pm

dakomish23 wrote:
whocares1 wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:
And would hands down be the 2nd best player on this current roster.

So if he went from a terrible three point shooter to a legitimately good three point shooter he’d be the second best player on a team devoid of talent?

Excellent.

Devoid? Couldn’t tell by the way you talk about them sometimes :lol

If he made 9 3’s that he’s missed in the 22 games he played, he’d fit this criteria.

Only 9? Sounds like a daily Klay Thompson performance.

Frank’s 3 point shot is the difference between him being a legitimate starting point guard, or a back up shooting guard. It’s not that simple tho he’s going to need a couple more summers to get it done.

kingquan316 · Post #107 » by **kingquan316** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:01 am

If I'm playing the odds, one of Knox, Frank, or Mitch will be a bust. Could be more than one. So many bust when u look at the past nba drafts, it's such a crap shoot sometimes. Not everyone can be like the Warriors and nail 3 all stars in past drafts, and even then they **** up with their pick of Udoh. U wanna develop these players, I want them to keep all of them too at the moment, but I'm done falling in love with them and thinking they are untouchable for other players. See how the Lakers feel bout their young core, most of them are not what they were projected to be. Knicks could be in the same boat. I hope I'm wrong. I do agree they should just let them play more and if they fail, cut bait sooner. Also helps the tank.

F N 11 · Post #108 » by **F N 11** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:12 am

Kampuchea wrote:Incoming - Team Frank in shambles

I’ll be a fan of his wherever he go. I wasn’t even this attached to Gallo. Folks don’t appreciate his defense. Watch when he get traded he make all nba defense and we get **** on. A team will know how to use him I’m sure.

However it’s mad early lol

ny-n-md · Post #109 » by **ny-n-md** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:55 am

I’m not sure I buy this story. But if it’s true, I am livid!

It was a well known fact Frank would be a long term project. I wasn’t even high on him in that draft but have come to appreciate his skills and potential and can’t wait to see his development.

If they’ve given up on him after one season, that pick is ridiculous. Why allow Phil to make the pick in the first place?!?!? No need to mention the alternatives but this burns me up if it’s true.

Post #110 » by **dakomish23** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:52 pm

Dr. Detfink wrote:
NJ-NYK-17 wrote:https://www.theringer.com/2018/11/27/18115116/the-mismatch-can-rockets-and-jazz-turn-it-around

Starting at the 36 minute talk - Chris Vernon and Kevin O'Conner talk a good 10 minutes on the Knicks. Vernon claims to have spoke to a lot of people closely involved in the franchise.

Key Point -

1 - The organization LOVES trier and is also really high on Mitchell Robinson future.
2- Mario experiment feeling like disappointment
3 - disappointment in Knox thus far
4 - everyone Vernon talked to within the organization is OUT on Frank and his future.

I'm sure I missed some points, and some of these conclusions we could've come to ourselves, but it is interesting to hear from someone who claims to have inside knowledge.

THAT truly makes me sad.

This IS why the New York Knicks remain stuck in NBA purgatory. The Front Office is simply NOT patient enough to truly rebuild.

They did warn us

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Dr. Detfink · Post #111 » by **Dr. Detfink** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:30 pm

The moment Mudiay was traded to the Knicks, I KNEW Frank Ntilikina was in trouble.

HarthorneWingo · Post #112 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:34 pm

Dr. Detfink wrote:
NJ-NYK-17 wrote:https://www.theringer.com/2018/11/27/18115116/the-mismatch-can-rockets-and-jazz-turn-it-around

Starting at the 36 minute talk - Chris Vernon and Kevin O'Conner talk a good 10 minutes on the Knicks. Vernon claims to have spoke to a lot of people closely involved in the franchise.

Key Point -

1 - The organization LOVES trier and is also really high on Mitchell Robinson future.
2- Mario experiment feeling like disappointment
3 - disappointment in Knox thus far
4 - everyone Vernon talked to within the organization is OUT on Frank and his future.

I'm sure I missed some points, and some of these conclusions we could've come to ourselves, but it is interesting to hear from someone who claims to have inside knowledge.

THAT truly makes me sad.

This IS why the New York Knicks remain stuck in NBA purgatory. The Front Office is simply NOT patient enough to truly rebuild.

That part is pure BS. After just one year? Is he 20 yet? Sorry, I just don't believe that. Knicks Film School had a podcast where they commented on this. Their take makes much more sense.

Post #113 » by **King of Canada** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:49 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Dr. Detfink wrote:
NJ-NYK-17 wrote:https://www.theringer.com/2018/11/27/18115116/the-mismatch-can-rockets-and-jazz-turn-it-around

Starting at the 36 minute talk - Chris Vernon and Kevin O'Conner talk a good 10 minutes on the Knicks. Vernon claims to have spoke to a lot of people closely involved in the franchise.

Key Point -

1 - The organization LOVES trier and is also really high on Mitchell Robinson future.
2- Mario experiment feeling like disappointment
3 - disappointment in Knox thus far
4 - everyone Vernon talked to within the organization is OUT on Frank and his future.

I'm sure I missed some points, and some of these conclusions we could've come to ourselves, but it is interesting to hear from someone who claims to have inside knowledge.

THAT truly makes me sad.

This IS why the New York Knicks remain stuck in NBA purgatory. The Front Office is simply NOT patient enough to truly rebuild.

That part is pure BS. After just one year? Is he 20 yet? Sorry, I just don't believe that. Knicks Film School had a podcast where they commented on this. Their take makes much more sense.

It's total BS for sure. Those d-bags got a bunch of clicks from Knicks fans for spreading nonsense.

NJ-NYK-17 · Post #114 » by **NJ-NYK-17** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:59 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Dr. Detfink wrote:
NJ-NYK-17 wrote:https://www.theringer.com/2018/11/27/18115116/the-mismatch-can-rockets-and-jazz-turn-it-around

Starting at the 36 minute talk - Chris Vernon and Kevin O'Conner talk a good 10 minutes on the Knicks. Vernon claims to have spoke to a lot of people closely involved in the franchise.

Key Point -

1 - The organization LOVES trier and is also really high on Mitchell Robinson future.
2- Mario experiment feeling like disappointment
3 - disappointment in Knox thus far
4 - everyone Vernon talked to within the organization is OUT on Frank and his future.

I'm sure I missed some points, and some of these conclusions we could've come to ourselves, but it is interesting to hear from someone who claims to have inside knowledge.

THAT truly makes me sad.

This IS why the New York Knicks remain stuck in NBA purgatory. The Front Office is simply NOT patient enough to truly rebuild.

That part is pure BS. After just one year? Is he 20 yet? Sorry, I just don't believe that. Knicks Film School had a podcast where they commented on this. Their take makes much more sense.

Can you sum up their take on situation? I'm a Frank believer...hoping he doesnt get moved..

NJ-NYK-17 · Post #115 » by **NJ-NYK-17** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:00 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Dr. Detfink wrote:
NJ-NYK-17 wrote:https://www.theringer.com/2018/11/27/18115116/the-mismatch-can-rockets-and-jazz-turn-it-around

Starting at the 36 minute talk - Chris Vernon and Kevin O'Conner talk a good 10 minutes on the Knicks. Vernon claims to have spoke to a lot of people closely involved in the franchise.

Key Point -

1 - The organization LOVES trier and is also really high on Mitchell Robinson future.
2- Mario experiment feeling like disappointment
3 - disappointment in Knox thus far
4 - everyone Vernon talked to within the organization is OUT on Frank and his future.

I'm sure I missed some points, and some of these conclusions we could've come to ourselves, but it is interesting to hear from someone who claims to have inside knowledge.

THAT truly makes me sad.

This IS why the New York Knicks remain stuck in NBA purgatory. The Front Office is simply NOT patient enough to truly rebuild.

That part is pure BS. After just one year? Is he 20 yet? Sorry, I just don't believe that. Knicks Film School had a podcast where they commented on this. Their take makes much more sense.

Can you sum up their take on situation? I'm a Frank believer...hoping he doesnt get moved..

Dr. Detfink · Post #116 » by **Dr. Detfink** » Thu Nov 29, 2018 11:25 pm

NJ-NYK-17 wrote:Can you sum up their take on situation? I'm a Frank believer...hoping he doesnt get moved..

Essentially the guys on the Ringer podcast are saying that personal working every day with the team have a vote of NO confidence in Frank Ntilikina because keep in mind, "allegedly" he is "not a point guard, can't play inside, no jump shot..." BUT they did talk about his passing and defense. *shrug*

Y'know the Knicks are supposed to be working with this guy EVERY DAY. That's not a failure on Frank who wants to learn and get better, that is a FAILURE on the organization. :banghead:

I can't WAIT for this collapse to happen on Mills' head.

HarthorneWingo · Post #117 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:00 am

King of Canada wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Dr. Detfink wrote:
THAT truly makes me sad.

This IS why the New York Knicks remain stuck in NBA purgatory. The Front Office is simply NOT patient enough to truly rebuild.

That part is pure BS. After just one year? Is he 20 yet? Sorry, I just don't believe that. Knicks Film School had a podcast where they commented on this. Their take makes much more sense.

It's total BS for sure. Those d-bags got a bunch of clicks from Knicks fans for spreading nonsense.

It's like going to the general board here for Knicks info. :lol:

KnicksGadfly · Post #118 » by **KnicksGadfly** » Fri Nov 30, 2018 6:28 am

If the FO really believes that, it's on them for being too cowardly to tank. They picked 8th and 9th for a reason---suck it up, deal with it and develop our guys. If Frank and Knox don't work out, I'm not gonna blame those kids for not being Luke Doncic or Tatum or whoever. Nah, the blame is gonna be on the executives that didn't have a good plan.

Tron Carter · Post #119 » by **Tron Carter** » Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:16 am

we're **** and the FO is run by dunces. just watch the boxscore/ yt highlights of the young kids we should actually be developing and save the rest of your energy. this pathetic organization doesn't deserve an iota of it.

Fat Kat · Post #120 » by **Fat Kat** » Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:13 pm

King of Canada wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Dr. Detfink wrote:
THAT truly makes me sad.

This IS why the New York Knicks remain stuck in NBA purgatory. The Front Office is simply NOT patient enough to truly rebuild.

That part is pure BS. After just one year? Is he 20 yet? Sorry, I just don't believe that. Knicks Film School had a podcast where they commented on this. Their take makes much more sense.

It's total BS for sure. Those d-bags got a bunch of clicks from Knicks fans for spreading nonsense.

It works though. Look at this thread. Trumpish. Spew anything that you want, and watch a segment of the “fanbase” lap it up