2018 Season Speculation and Trade Ideas: Fire the Canaan, into the Wall?

[WeekapaugGroove]

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This would have ended my time as a suns fan.

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[TheLogician]

Sell the ****ing team already

[Saberestar]

Dinwiddie wants $47.5M / 4 years to extend his contract with the Nets.

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[Blonde]

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Passing him at #1 has tempted my fanhood.

[bwgood77]

Cavs/76ers/Suns

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7kkngmf

We get: Fultz/Wilson Chandler
We trade: Anderson, Melton, Bucks 1st, 2nd rounder
Why: Increase cap space for next year ever so slightly, get Fultz

Cavs get: Anderson, Melton, Bucks 1st, 2019 Suns second rounder.
Cavs trade: George Hill
Why?: 3 assets for trading an expiring

Philly gets: George Hill
Philly trades: Fultz and Wilson Chandler
Why? Philly get's a vet PG for Fultz and also a salary dump for next year giving them even more cap space.

The Cavs could cut us out if they want Fultz over two draft picks. Worth a phone call though.

It would be nice if we could get Fultz and keep Ariza and shed the Anderson cap hit (even stretched, the $5.2 million or whatever cuts into more than half of Fultz' cost next year).

[Kerrsed]

Dinwiddie wants $47.5M / 4 years to extend his contract with the Nets.

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.....and this right here is why they might be willing to walk away from D'Angelo Russell.

[TheLogician]

Dinwiddie wants $47.5M / 4 years to extend his contract with the Nets.

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I think the max is $48M/4 years. Worth it, imo.

[lilfishi22]

Dinwiddie wants $47.5M / 4 years to extend his contract with the Nets.

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$12m a year for 21/3/6 (per36) and 47% from the field, 38% from the 3 and produces down the stretch is great deal . Marks would be an idiot not to get it done

[bwgood77]

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This was my fear. I even told Sidery that in a discussion with him and he said he was sure they would take Doncic. So I don't know if this is info he found out or he's just throwing something out there or changed his mind on what he thinks they would have done in hindsight.

But yeah, I would have been pissed.

[bwgood77]

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Passing him at #1 has tempted my fanhood.

We lost at least one long term fan because of it. He was actually a Wildcats fan too. Had seen enough.

[bwgood77]

y'all are nuts

Dinwiddie, Brogdon, McConnell, etc. won't make us a contender nor even win more games! They are career back ups and shouldn't be a starter.

I say get Fultz. Let him run wild and play.

Best case: He becomes who we want him to become
Worst case: He sucks and we sign a PG in free agency, and get a higher draft pick for Zion or Barrett

Don't waste money on back up PG's

Durant probably wouldn't make us a contender either. The problem with your worst case is that if he sucks, he kills our cap space to sign a good PG in free agency.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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I'd like to think that McD, Still being here would have definitely taken Doncic at that point as He was basically neck in neck with Ayton in regards to the hype factor, If not more! ,Not to mention the marketability factor as well.

And I do believe Doncic would have been his next choice. But there's always a chance that Sarver, being the control freak and micro manager that he is,would have likely overruled Mcds' choice and taken Bagley for his Arizona ties..... Especially after hearing those inside sources saying that Sarver was vehemently involved in most all personnel decisions behind closed doors.....Even to the point of berating his employees. I guess we'll never know what could have been.

Not to complain though, Because it looks like Bagley has the energy, versatility and rebounding hustle that this team is sorely lacking!

Still would have chosen Doncic at #2 though for sure!



Having said that, I'm still pretty sore that Phoenix didn't somehow Put a trade together for Doncic at #3 draft spot!

Especially after reviewing what the Mavericks gave up to make that trade happen, The substance being:

The first major move in the 2018 NBA draft came early on as the Atlanta Hawks worked out a deal with the Dallas Mavericks.

Atlanta selected Real Madrid guard Luka Doncic with the No. 3 pick, but immediately traded him to the Mavericks, who selected Oklahoma guard Trae Young with the No. 5 pick.

In addition to flipping picks, the Mavericks will send the Hawks a future first-round pick that is protected in 2019. I'd like to believe that our assets along with our own unprotected 2019 first rounder would have been equallyy comparable, If not better than the package that the Hawks received in totality.

Now I realize that we didn't have a pick in the Top 5, But i'm sure that I remember us having much better assets to work with at that time! Such as:

We had a combo of #16, #31,Miamis' 2019 or 2020 lightly protected, Milw pick, 2021 Miami pick, Warren, Bender, Chriss. We could have easily offered our own 2019 pick unprotected as well. So that would be a total of 3 first round picks, with one for this draft, along with milwaukees future pick as well, along with the contracts of either Bender, or Chriss, Or both.

They(Atlanta) could have very feasibly packaged those assets together to grab another pick within the lottery. And still came out of that draft with a great point guard such as:Colin Sexton, Shai gilgeous Alexander,or any number of prospects. Heck, They could've had Michael Porter Jr. and still left with future firsts, and expiring contracts from us...

Now I know what's done is done, And we don't for sure know how hard McD actually tried to get into the top 5. It just stings when you see how both Doncic and young are progressing, and think about How could our core would be now with one of those two added to our current core.

Anyways, That's all for my pointless rant for now ..... Back to reality!...lol...

[bwgood77]

y'all are nuts

Dinwiddie, Brogdon, McConnell, etc. won't make us a contender nor even win more games! They are career back ups and shouldn't be a starter.

I say get Fultz. Let him run wild and play.

Best case: He becomes who we want him to become
Worst case: He sucks and we sign a PG in free agency, and get a higher draft pick for Zion or Barrett

Don't waste money on back up PG's

Wilber I need your valuable insight if those guys suck as much as doncic?

FYI brogdon has been and is a starter.

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Yeah, Brogdon a starter on one of the best teams in the league...solid defender, passer and shooter. Dinwiddie I like ok, but his defense is really bad so our backcourt would be horrid defensively. TJ would just be a short term thing for this year and Okobo might be better already if last night is any indication at all.

[bwgood77]

Trading for Fultz would be a turrible move

Depends on what they gave up to get him. If it's just ariza then all you're betting is the 10mil in cap space next summer. To me that's a gamble worth taking.

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I'm coming around on him a bit partly because I think we need a good secondary rebounder and Fultz could probably help Ayton in this regard and push the fast break. He's a great passer too. I really loved him in the draft. So if Igor could fix his shot like he did for Shaquille O'Neal and Rubio, then maybe he could help Fultz out, and Crawford would be the perfect vet.

I like him better than most of the realistic options, and especially if he can get his shot back.

It will just make things tough on offense if he can't shoot. But it will be like having TJ again on offense for scoring purposes (though he does other things better) but the good thing is TJ is not the old TJ.

[bwgood77]

There are a lot on here that stay in a constant semi-tank mode for the next great thing coming through the draft, sooner or later if you want to make splash or even at least ripple the surface of the water you have push those chips in and take a chance, you can give me any name you want rookie, veteran, college prospect and they ALL have issues of some sort.
I'm not bashing any of them, they just have different way of looking at things, and that's ok.

I'm not against making a move but sometimes that strategy backfires and you end up trading a lotto pick for Brandon knight.

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I get that, but this whole thing is a crapshoot, heck tell me what your thoughts on Fultz were coming into his draft?? Or at least the major consensus on this board? Point is if we never grow a pair and make a move taking a chance we will never get anywhere. Right now, I believe we are a true PG away from being pretty d*** good...

I remember Fultz was consensus #1 on the board when doing polls. I think fairly easily.

[TheLogician]

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Passing him at #1 has tempted my fanhood.

We lost at least one long term fan because of it. He was actually a Wildcats fan too. Ha

Good riddance. But I'm sure he'll circle back when we're good again.

[bwgood77]

........and before some replies with "Russell is trash" or "Russell is playing like Garbage", let me drop this on you:



He started off the season pretty slow, but has picked it up as of late. Just like their rookie seasons, he is playing a bit better than Booker is and is in kinda the same situation in Brooklyn (Not a good team; but has a solid C).

Get 'em when they value is low! Imagine getting Booker for that price.

Well, his offense dropped a bit (though he's shooting a lot better from 3 than Book), but defense improved dramatically. Personally I don't think Brooklyn gets rid of Russell or Dinwiddie. You need two good PGs. They have a lot of cap space. Unless they can lure a star they should keep both.

[bwgood77]

We have one of the most athletic 7'-1" 250 lb Centers with good hands and great footwork but never give him the ball down low, instead always have him handing the ball off to someone along the three point line, and when he does post up low and begs for the ball, we can't or won't feed it to him...….complete nonsense. We are forcing him to become softer and softer every game.

I don't understand how people only see the hand off and nothing else.

He's part of an offense where he's up top to hand off, screen and then roll. His rolls look more like decoys than actual hard rolls as he casually jogs to the rim. So we know Ayton isn't consistently rolling hard to the basket or he's rolling right into traffic where he's not really a threat. The 2nd part of the PnR offense is the ball handler Most of the time there are 3 players running the PnR with him, JJ, Booker and Canaan before he got released. Booker has been wildly inconsistent in hooking up with Ayton on the roll, preferring to settle for the mid range J and letting the defender follow the roll man or he'll throw it to the top of the back board where not even Zion could get it. The only player who seems to have any chemistry with him is still one of the most inconsistent players on the team and that's JJ. The team and Igor are trying to involve Ayton and getting him easy points, the talent and skill level (of the team, not just Ayton) just isn't there.

I'm confident Igor isn't telling his team to ignore Ayton on offense. It's that he doesn't get in good post position often and that's generally because he's either a bit too far out or our guys just aren't very good at getting the ball to him.

Also this whole narrative that Igor doesn't know what he's doing is a bit ridiculous to me. He's been in the league (yes, the National Basketball Association) for nearly 20 years. He's worked with very very high level talent when big men were still a major part of the offense, he's worked with journeyman and he's worked with great prospects. I guarantee he knows a lot more about the game and player development than all of us combined. If he didn't trust that Okobo was ready yet for consistent starting minutse, I'll trust in his judgement. If he doesn't trust Ayton's elementary face game yet, I'll trust in judgement. If he's given Anderson a real opportunity but doesn't think he should be playing anymore, then I trust in his judgement. If he thinks Bridges is ready to be a starter, I trust in his judgment.

Don't get it twisted, I don't trust him blindly. I don't agree with everything he does. But I trust that someone who's been in the game for two decades *probably* knows more than a casual fan like myself.

Yeah, I've seen him run the same offense and bigs rolling hard and slamming it down. Of course this was like Doncic doing the passing though.

But we should have Amare come in and show him how to roll hard and slam it down....I wish prime Amare could show him.

[bwgood77]

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Clippers must have jumped in and given the better offer, swapping 12 instead of 16. I wonder if we had the 21 pick on the table at that time.

I'm actually happier we have Bridges though. I think he is a better player and more of what we need. A real defensive presence and glue guy. Obviously we need a PG but we already have someone who I think is a solid rookie PG...Shai may be more raw and definitely less dynamic on offense.

[bwgood77]

Wasn't this kind debunked already? Why is Olson rehashing old 'news' ?

The way he reported it earlier didn't make sense because he said it got shut down because the Suns wanted Bridges, but the fact is, they had apparently already gotten shut down by Philly to trade for 10 and get Bridges who only reconsidered and called us after they saw Zhaire Smith available.

So it would have had to have been shut down for some other reason which still doesn't make a whole lot of sense.