A Tech Guy with a Jumper - Spencer Dinwiddie Thread

[gigantes]

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[Paradise]

Spencer opens up on his Nets future.

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Damn, it’s going to be a hard decision. Feels like if we don’t extend him in December, he will be looking elsewhere.

[MrDollarBills]

Spencer opens up on his Nets future.

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Damn, it’s going to be a hard decision. Feels like if we don’t extend him in December, he will be looking elsewhere.

As he should. The guy clearly wants to be here, but if the Nets don't take advantage of the situation he will test the market and it will most likely be to his benefit because teams aren't going to turn down the chance of getting a PG who is averaging 16 and 5 with an 18 PER hitting 38% from downtown with a TS of 60%. Anyone who thinks Spencer will not have several suitors in July is in denial.

I think 4/47.5 is a fair rate for Hero Ball Spencer. He's not perfect but he's more than proved that he is a solid NBA PG and I don't think 11-12 per season is bad at all to keep him. Out of anyone who is due a contract this summer, he's the only one who has played like he wants it.

If Allen Crabbe's 18 wasn't on the books next season I think this would already be a done deal. Dinwiddie is definitely worth extending but the ideal situation would be to go over the cap to sign him in the summer instead of right now.

Marks needs to find a way to get Crabbe off of our books. That trade is a disaster and it is going to cost us this summer because I'm telling you now if Spencer hits UFA he will get a substantial offer from another team.

[vincecarter4pres]

Spencer opens up on his Nets future.

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Damn, it’s going to be a hard decision. Feels like if we don’t extend him in December, he will be looking elsewhere.

As he should. The guy clearly wants to be here, but if the Nets don't take advantage of the situation he will test the market and it will most likely be to his benefit because teams aren't going to turn down the chance of getting a PG who is averaging 16 and 5 with an 18 PER hitting 38% from downtown with a TS of 60%. Anyone who thinks Spencer will not have several suitors in July is in denial.

I think 4/47.5 is a fair rate for Hero Ball Spencer. He's not perfect but he's more than proved that he is a solid NBA PG and I don't think 11-12 per season is bad at all to keep him. Out of anyone who is due a contract this summer, he's the only one who has played like he wants it.

If Allen Crabbe's 18 wasn't on the books next season I think this would already be a done deal. Dinwiddie is definitely worth extending but the ideal situation would be to go over the cap to sign him in the summer instead of right now.

Marks needs to find a way to get Crabbe off of our books. That trade is a disaster and it is going to cost us this summer because I'm telling you now if Spencer hits UFA he will get a substantial offer from another team.

Wondering aloud, maybe Marks will look to ship out Crabbe and RHJ as a package deal for a useless expiring.

Or he might attach a couple 2nd's to Crabbe for a guy like JR Smith and just cut him.

[Papi_swav]

I'd definitely sign Dinwiddie to that contract. 11-12M per is a no brainer. We can always trade him if some stars want to team up here and still get value for him. But I'd rather keep him no matter what happens, he belongs here.

[TheNetsFan]

I like the number, but we can't give up $9mil in cap space early. I think we should be on the phone with PHX/ORL to see if they'll give up value for a guy itching to sign a reasonable extension.

[gigantes]

I like the number, but we can't give up $9mil in cap space early. I think we should be on the phone with PHX/ORL to see if they'll give up value for a guy itching to sign a reasonable extension.

Acting too early does sounds like it could backfire. There's still some questions about how DLo and RHJ will play (and develop) the remainder of the season, then whether to keep them after that. I'm thinking Spencer himself could stand another quarter season just to solidify his report card.

It would be nice if Marks could meet with him and his agent and tell him (honestly) that the Nets would love to retain him, but that there's some big unknowns in play (including the FA chase) that Marks has no choice but to wait on. I don't know how possible that is, but it gets tiresome, the number of players who seem to give so little heed to that kind of thing and/or get so easily offended when a team has to take care of its own business responsibly. Nothing wrong with Spencer putting his message out there, but please don't get all pouty when Marks has no choice but to hold off on the extension.

Seems like agents aren't helping with this stuff, either. You'd think they could explain this kind of thing to players, but it seems more likely they play up any kind of discontent if it means more money will be involved... which doesn't always help the player at the end of the day.

[Prokorov]

I like the number, but we can't give up $9mil in cap space early. I think we should be on the phone with PHX/ORL to see if they'll give up value for a guy itching to sign a reasonable extension.

makes no sense to give him the extension with his cap number so low... id rather give him 14 or 15 million later then 12 million now because we can go over the cap if we do i later and user our cap on max players.

[TheNetsFan]

I like the number, but we can't give up $9mil in cap space early. I think we should be on the phone with PHX/ORL to see if they'll give up value for a guy itching to sign a reasonable extension.

makes no sense to give him the extension with his cap number so low... id rather give him 14 or 15 million later then 12 million now because we can go over the cap if we do i later and user our cap on max players.

I agree. Marks never spoke about an extension with DLo. I don't expect him to go down that road with Dinwiddie either, unless it's along the lines of Team X is wants to trade for you if you're willing to sign an extension with them.

[MrDollarBills]

I like the number, but we can't give up $9mil in cap space early. I think we should be on the phone with PHX/ORL to see if they'll give up value for a guy itching to sign a reasonable extension.

makes no sense to give him the extension with his cap number so low... id rather give him 14 or 15 million later then 12 million now because we can go over the cap if we do i later and user our cap on max players.

I agree. Marks never spoke about an extension with DLo. I don't expect him to go down that road with Dinwiddie either, unless it's along the lines of Team X is wants to trade for you if you're willing to sign an extension with them.

So just to clear up something.

If this Nets extend Spencer now, its 11/12 per season.

if they let him hit UFA, they can go over the cap to counter any offer?

[TheNetsFan]

makes no sense to give him the extension with his cap number so low... id rather give him 14 or 15 million later then 12 million now because we can go over the cap if we do i later and user our cap on max players.

I agree. Marks never spoke about an extension with DLo. I don't expect him to go down that road with Dinwiddie either, unless it's along the lines of Team X is wants to trade for you if you're willing to sign an extension with them.

So just to clear up something.

If this Nets extend Spencer now, its 11/12 per season.

if they let him hit UFA, they can go over the cap to counter any offer?

If they extend him now, it's a 4 year deal with 8% raises starting at $10.6mil. That $10.6mil becomes his cap hit immediately.

If we wait, he has a $1.6mil cap hold & we can resign him for any amount up to a max contract after spending cap space on other players.

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I think D'lo being on the team, is more of a reason why it is a question of whether or not the Nets want to commit to Spence. I think the Nets will try and retain 1 of them, but not both.

[Kolkmania]

I agree. Marks never spoke about an extension with DLo. I don't expect him to go down that road with Dinwiddie either, unless it's along the lines of Team X is wants to trade for you if you're willing to sign an extension with them.

So just to clear up something.

If this Nets extend Spencer now, its 11/12 per season.

if they let him hit UFA, they can go over the cap to counter any offer?

If they extend him now, it's a 4 year deal with 8% raises starting at $10.6mil. That $10.6mil becomes his cap hit immediately.

If we wait, he has a $1.6mil cap hold & we can resign him for any amount up to a max contract after spending cap space on other players.

With the risk of him signing with a different team of course since he's an UFA. If a guy like Rozier is due for an 18-ish million contract, I can see Dinwiddie receiving a similar offer.

[Prokorov]

So just to clear up something.

If this Nets extend Spencer now, its 11/12 per season.

if they let him hit UFA, they can go over the cap to counter any offer?

If they extend him now, it's a 4 year deal with 8% raises starting at $10.6mil. That $10.6mil becomes his cap hit immediately.

If we wait, he has a $1.6mil cap hold & we can resign him for any amount up to a max contract after spending cap space on other players.

With the risk of him signing with a different team of course since he's an UFA. If a guy like Rozier is due for an 18-ish million contract, I can see Dinwiddie receiving a similar offer.

i personally see 0 risk of losing him to another team. he wants to be here. if we want him we will commnicate that and he will get his deal once we sign other players. he will get to sty here and make more then his extension number

[MrDollarBills]

Then Marks needs to communicate that to the player/agent because from his comments he is in the dark right now about where the Nets stand. If he knew, he would not make comments like this in public.

[gigantes]

Then Marks needs to communicate that to the player/agent because from his comments he is in the dark right now about where the Nets stand. If he knew, he would not make comments like this in public.

That's exactly what I was talking about above.

I can't help but wonder if the situation is a little more restricting than we know about. I'm thinking that agents commonly try to ratchet up their leverage, which tends to make GM - player communications like this more difficult than they need to be.

"He only wants to meet with you to tell you why he isn't extending you right now?! Screw him! Let him eat static and see how he likes the pressure."

[SpeedyG]

I like the number, but we can't give up $9mil in cap space early. I think we should be on the phone with PHX/ORL to see if they'll give up value for a guy itching to sign a reasonable extension.

Acting too early does sounds like it could backfire. There's still some questions about how DLo and RHJ will play (and develop) the remainder of the season, then whether to keep them after that. I'm thinking Spencer himself could stand another quarter season just to solidify his report card.

It would be nice if Marks could meet with him and his agent and tell him (honestly) that the Nets would love to retain him, but that there's some big unknowns in play (including the FA chase) that Marks has no choice but to wait on. I don't know how possible that is, but it gets tiresome, the number of players who seem to give so little heed to that kind of thing and/or get so easily offended when a team has to take care of its own business responsibly. Nothing wrong with Spencer putting his message out there, but please don't get all pouty when Marks has no choice but to hold off on the extension.

Seems like agents aren't helping with this stuff, either. You'd think they could explain this kind of thing to players, but it seems more likely they play up any kind of discontent if it means more money will be involved... which doesn't always help the player at the end of the day.

Spencer is a smart dude. He talked about the bird rights too.

I think we can do a hush-hush deal and let him know that we're willing to match any offer, and I feel that he would give us an opportunity to match before signing.

But that comes with serious risks and open us up for a bidding war.

It could also backfire if we strike out in FA.

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[Kolkmania]

If they extend him now, it's a 4 year deal with 8% raises starting at $10.6mil. That $10.6mil becomes his cap hit immediately.

If we wait, he has a $1.6mil cap hold & we can resign him for any amount up to a max contract after spending cap space on other players.

With the risk of him signing with a different team of course since he's an UFA. If a guy like Rozier is due for an 18-ish million contract, I can see Dinwiddie receiving a similar offer.

i personally see 0 risk of losing him to another team. he wants to be here. if we want him we will commnicate that and he will get his deal once we sign other players. he will get to sty here and make more then his extension number

I'm always a bit skeptical of this sort of loyalism in the NBA, but you guys know him better than I do.
So would you feel comfortable with offering him 20 million/year? Because I don't think it's unreasonable (if he maintains this kind of efficiency) for a franchise like the Suns who are desperate for a PG.

[MrDollarBills]

Loyalty is a two way street. Spencer put this out there to let the Nets know basically "I like being here, but I'll leave if you don't act like you feel the same".

I mean Marks is not obligated to capitulate even though it sounds like Spencer is willing to take the 11 mil per, but I think you have to really handle this situation carefully.

If the Nets were to say screw it, lets lock him in at a cheaper rate, that means they would have to get rid of Allen Crabbe in season and may have to attach Denver's pick to do it.

[Prokorov]

With the risk of him signing with a different team of course since he's an UFA. If a guy like Rozier is due for an 18-ish million contract, I can see Dinwiddie receiving a similar offer.

i personally see 0 risk of losing him to another team. he wants to be here. if we want him we will commnicate that and he will get his deal once we sign other players. he will get to sty here and make more then his extension number

I'm always a bit skeptical of this sort of loyalism in the NBA, but you guys know him better than I do.
So would you feel comfortable with offering him 20 million/year? Because I don't think it's unreasonable (if he maintains this kind of efficiency) for a franchise like the Suns who are desperate for a PG.

if we max 2 guys i dont care if we give him a billion a year. to me there are only 3 deisgnations:

under the cap: only matters if you are the max + under.
over the cap: once your over the cap overpay whoever you want as long as you avoid the tax
over the tax: get under as soon as possible, not sustainable

id give spencer whatever we can while avoid the tax.

i would laso lose ZERO sleep if he walked and ZERO ill will towards him. at the end of the day he isnt a superstar