Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XIX: Rise of the BIG

[OrlandoDream]

Ntkilita is all smokescreen. There is no way we bring in another PG that cant shoot. Magic are going for another target and using Ntkilita to throw off trade talks. NBA trade season 101

Wouldn't be surprised if knicks are shopping him and we showed interest and they've leaked it to try and raise his value. I imagine our interest is low though. I can't see anyone giving up anything of value for him, difference with him and other draft picks who struggle too is that frank hasn't really ever done anything it's not like he had a stellar college career and is struggling in the nba or has had limited minutes or anything like that he's just never done anything.

Ntkilita is just 20 yo. He is a project....Hammonds favorite. It would not be a win now move. I mean he cant be worse then grant to there is that. His value is not alot right now so idk if Knicks will sell low for him at this point.

[bargnanimvp]

Ntkilita is all smokescreen. There is no way we bring in another PG that cant shoot. Magic are going for another target and using Ntkilita to throw off trade talks. NBA trade season 101

Wouldn't be surprised if knicks are shopping him and we showed interest and they've leaked it to try and raise his value. I imagine our interest is low though. I can't see anyone giving up anything of value for him, difference with him and other draft picks who struggle too is that frank hasn't really ever done anything it's not like he had a stellar college career and is struggling in the nba or has had limited minutes or anything like that he's just never done anything.

Ntkilita is just 20 yo. He is a project....Hammonds favorite. It would not be a win now move. I mean he cant be worse then grant to there is that. His value is not alot right now so idk if Knicks will sell low for him at this point.

Have people watched Frank? Grant's last season in the bulls was better than any season Frank has had anywhere. Grant is a better play maker, better shooter, better driver, better handles. Frank just has youth and length and better defense.

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Wouldn't be surprised if knicks are shopping him and we showed interest and they've leaked it to try and raise his value. I imagine our interest is low though. I can't see anyone giving up anything of value for him, difference with him and other draft picks who struggle too is that frank hasn't really ever done anything it's not like he had a stellar college career and is struggling in the nba or has had limited minutes or anything like that he's just never done anything.

Ntkilita is just 20 yo. He is a project....Hammonds favorite. It would not be a win now move. I mean he cant be worse then grant to there is that. His value is not alot right now so idk if Knicks will sell low for him at this point.

Have people watched Frank? Grant's last season in the bulls was better than any season Frank has had anywhere. Grant is a better play maker, better shooter, better driver, better handles. Frank just has youth and length and better defense.

Grant is also 6 years older. Nobody knows what Frank will be in 6 years, so the comparison isn’t necessarily justified. The biggest thing the FO should be shooting for is building the future around youth. This team isn’t competing for a championship and acquiring players like Ntilikina are better long term moves, rather than pairing win-now vets,nobody else wants, that would make Orlando nothing but mediocre.

[bargnanimvp]

Ntkilita is just 20 yo. He is a project....Hammonds favorite. It would not be a win now move. I mean he cant be worse then grant to there is that. His value is not alot right now so idk if Knicks will sell low for him at this point.

Have people watched Frank? Grant's last season in the bulls was better than any season Frank has had anywhere. Grant is a better play maker, better shooter, better driver, better handles. Frank just has youth and length and better defense.

Grant is also 6 years older. Nobody knows what Frank will be in 6 years, so the comparison isn’t necessarily justified. The biggest thing the FO should be shooting for is building the future around youth. This team isn’t competing for a championship and acquiring players like Ntilikina are better long term moves, rather than pairing win-now vets that make Orlando nothing but mediocre.

Where did i say we should be getting vets? I'm just pointing out to all the people who are acting like Frank is an upgrade over Grant that he isn't, i'm not the one who bought up comparisons to Grant either other people have done that but they seem to not know Frank very well because they are acting like he is better than Grant today which simply has not been true so far in his career. Frank doesn't have a solid college or youth career either, his entire basketball career up until this point has been bad. He was worse than Mario in Europe and he shouldn't have been drafted as high as he was. It's also not a great sign when the team that drafted him and has him on a rookie deal is already looking to move him this early into his second season, if he were showing a lot in practice they'd be not looking to part ways.

He's only 20 though, and i've said numerous times here already for the right price it's worth taking him on as a project but the people acting like he's an upgrade and going to solve problems for us are misinformed.

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Have people watched Frank? Grant's last season in the bulls was better than any season Frank has had anywhere. Grant is a better play maker, better shooter, better driver, better handles. Frank just has youth and length and better defense.

Grant is also 6 years older. Nobody knows what Frank will be in 6 years, so the comparison isn’t necessarily justified. The biggest thing the FO should be shooting for is building the future around youth. This team isn’t competing for a championship and acquiring players like Ntilikina are better long term moves, rather than pairing win-now vets that make Orlando nothing but mediocre.

Where did i say we should be getting vets? I'm just pointing out to all the people who are acting like Frank is an upgrade over Grant that he isn't, i'm not the one who bought up comparisons to Grant either other people have done that but they seem to not know Frank very well because they are acting like he is better than Grant today which simply has not been true so far in his career. Frank doesn't have a solid college or youth career either, his entire basketball career up until this point has been bad. He was worse than Mario in Europe and he shouldn't have been drafted as high as he was. It's also not a great sign when the team that drafted him and has him on a rookie deal is already looking to move him this early into his second season, if he were showing a lot in practice they'd be not looking to part ways.

He's only 20 though, and i've said numerous times here already for the right price it's worth taking him on as a project but the people acting like he's an upgrade and going to solve problems for us are misinformed.

You don’t understand that the point of acquiring Frank isn’t a win-now move. It’s an investment. Therefore it doesn’t matter how he’s performing now in NY, how they view him as an asset, or that Grant this season might be better at all. It’s the right move regardless of what people know about him in New York up to this point. He’s 20. It’s the correct timeframe for the future with Bamba and Isaac.

[bargnanimvp]

Grant is also 6 years older. Nobody knows what Frank will be in 6 years, so the comparison isn’t necessarily justified. The biggest thing the FO should be shooting for is building the future around youth. This team isn’t competing for a championship and acquiring players like Ntilikina are better long term moves, rather than pairing win-now vets that make Orlando nothing but mediocre.

Where did i say we should be getting vets? I'm just pointing out to all the people who are acting like Frank is an upgrade over Grant that he isn't, i'm not the one who bought up comparisons to Grant either other people have done that but they seem to not know Frank very well because they are acting like he is better than Grant today which simply has not been true so far in his career. Frank doesn't have a solid college or youth career either, his entire basketball career up until this point has been bad. He was worse than Mario in Europe and he shouldn't have been drafted as high as he was. It's also not a great sign when the team that drafted him and has him on a rookie deal is already looking to move him this early into his second season, if he were showing a lot in practice they'd be not looking to part ways.

He's only 20 though, and i've said numerous times here already for the right price it's worth taking him on as a project but the people acting like he's an upgrade and going to solve problems for us are misinformed.

You don’t understand that the point of acquiring Frank isn’t a win-now move. It’s an investment. Therefore it doesn’t matter how he’s performing now in NY, how they view him as an asset, or that Grant this season might be better at all. It’s the right move regardless of what people know about him in New York up to this point. He’s 20. It’s the correct timeframe for the future with Bamba and Isaac.

Please read what i write before responding.

I do understand.

I know his age.

I get he's a prospect.

As i keep saying my negative posts are trying to correct the people who are saying/acting like Frank is better TODAY and will fix our point guard rotation TODAY.

The talk on his basketball history and current skills are in justifying why he's value should be low and why i think we should not give up real assets for him, there's other young players who have shown actual NBA skill during their short careers we'd be better of spending real assets on. I'd be happy with getting frank on the cheap and happy to have him as a prospect but not if it costs assets that could be better spent.

This is the last i'm going to respond to you because i think i've been pretty clear clarifying what I am saying but you aren't seeming to get it.

[pepe1991]

If you go on big Knicks forums you'll see biggest nba fans vs reality problem and gap between that two worlds.

Pretty much he is treated by fans as big thing and like somebody should not be traded, yet there are reports that Knicks kind a giving up.
I would say that most Knicks fans who really like him are almost delusional to some extend.
Just look at topic on Knicks forum about him "Magic among many teams interested in Frank "

yet when you read article you'll soon find out why

The 20-year-old Ntilikina, New York's first-round pick in 2017, has been held scoreless in back-to-back games and four times in the past 10

Top defensive guard
6’6
20 years old
Not a great shooter now, 90%+ FT shooter. Projects to be a good shooter as he grows & gets more reps
Very unselfish player

Any team would love to take a chance and develop that...except knick fans and management smh

This comment has the most likes on their forum. Sounds familiar ? That's because most teams thing their menagment is the worst and their young players are the best.
Frank is player who shoots 33% overall and 25% for 3. Over two years he shot 233/653 from the floor. In other words, he missed 420 of 653 shots he took.

I get it,he is young. But in sport where O and D are devided into two segments,where it used to be 60% D /40 o , nowdays with 3 ball extravaganza it feels like all regular season games are 65% O / 35% D and his O is just terrible. And it hurts whole team when one of your guards can't score from any range.
Would i buy low? Sure, why not, but i would not blow many assests on him.

[PrimeThyme]

If you go on big Knicks forums you'll see biggest nba fans vs reality problem and gap between that two worlds.

Pretty much he is treated by fans as big thing and like somebody should not be traded, yet there are reports that Knicks kind a giving up.
I would say that most Knicks fans who really like him are almost delusional to some extend.
Just look at topic on Knicks forum about him "Magic among many teams interested in Frank "

yet when you read article you'll soon find out why

The 20-year-old Ntilikina, New York's first-round pick in 2017, has been held scoreless in back-to-back games and four times in the past 10

Top defensive guard
6’6
20 years old
Not a great shooter now, 90%+ FT shooter. Projects to be a good shooter as he grows & gets more reps
Very unselfish player

Any team would love to take a chance and develop that...except knick fans and management smh

This comment has the most likes on their forum. Sounds familiar ? That's because most teams thing their menagment is the worst and their young players are the best.
Frank is player who shoots 33% overall and 25% for 3. Over two years he shot 233/653 from the floor. In other words, he missed 420 of 653 shots he took.

I get it,he is young. But in sport where O and D are devided into two segments,where it used to be 60% D /40 o , nowdays with 3 ball extravaganza it feels like all regular season games are 65% O / 35% D and his O is just terrible. And it hurts whole team when one of your guards can't score from any range.
Would i buy low? Sure, why not, but i would not blow many assests on him.

I feel like there are two ways to look at it. On one hand, Knicks fans probably don't want to trade him because his value is so low right now. They invested a top 10 pick in him and I do think there is an argument for them to just keep him and hope that he develops and becomes at least a starter and serviceable role player for them someday. On the other hand though, I think at this point thinking that he can become anything more than just a role player someday is risky and his value could certainly get lower than what it is right now.

A lot of his perceived value right now anyways is just the fact that he is young and was a top 10 guy. That shine wears off after a while if you don't produce. I'm not really sold on him whatsoever as a player. I think he has the potential to be a very good defender but his shooting and even assist totals leaves a lot to be desired. Im not sure if I really see him as a point guard long term.

If you told me that we could send Grant and a second rounder to get him I would still be more than open to the idea of that tho as I think Grant is utter garbage and I believe that Frank at least has the potential to end up as a better player than him. Im not giving anything up of real value for him though.

[pepe1991]

If you go on big Knicks forums you'll see biggest nba fans vs reality problem and gap between that two worlds.

Pretty much he is treated by fans as big thing and like somebody should not be traded, yet there are reports that Knicks kind a giving up.
I would say that most Knicks fans who really like him are almost delusional to some extend.
Just look at topic on Knicks forum about him "Magic among many teams interested in Frank "

yet when you read article you'll soon find out why

The 20-year-old Ntilikina, New York's first-round pick in 2017, has been held scoreless in back-to-back games and four times in the past 10

Top defensive guard
6’6
20 years old
Not a great shooter now, 90%+ FT shooter. Projects to be a good shooter as he grows & gets more reps
Very unselfish player

Any team would love to take a chance and develop that...except knick fans and management smh

This comment has the most likes on their forum. Sounds familiar ? That's because most teams thing their menagment is the worst and their young players are the best.
Frank is player who shoots 33% overall and 25% for 3. Over two years he shot 233/653 from the floor. In other words, he missed 420 of 653 shots he took.

I get it,he is young. But in sport where O and D are devided into two segments,where it used to be 60% D /40 o , nowdays with 3 ball extravaganza it feels like all regular season games are 65% O / 35% D and his O is just terrible. And it hurts whole team when one of your guards can't score from any range.
Would i buy low? Sure, why not, but i would not blow many assests on him.

I feel like there are two ways to look at it. On one hand, Knicks fans probably don't want to trade him because his value is so low right now. They invested a top 10 pick in him and I do think there is an argument for them to just keep him and hope that he develops and becomes at least a starter and serviceable role player for them someday. On the other hand though, I think at this point thinking that he can become anything more than just a role player someday is risky and his value could certainly get lower than what it is right now.

A lot of his perceived value right now anyways is just the fact that he is young and was a top 10 guy. That shine wears off after a while if you don't produce. I'm not really sold on him whatsoever as a player. I think he has the potential to be a very good defender but his shooting and even assist totals leaves a lot to be desired. Im not sure if I really see him as a point guard long term.

If you told me that we could send Grant and a second rounder to get him I would still be more than open to the idea of that tho as I think Grant is utter garbage and I believe that Frank at least has the potential to end up as a better player than him. Im not giving anything up of real value for him though.

Yea i feel the same, i think he and Bender made similar mistake, they went in nba as mistery prospects being 18 years old, without developed games. After 18-20 months they didn't catch up with rest of the league ( witch is expected, and one of key reasons why straight from highschool rule was made). Now they are both nowhere.

Honestlly, 2 years at college, minimum age 20-21 would probably save lot of teams from bad GMs.

[Optimus_Steel]

I want my point guards to be good at basketball lol.

[OrlandO]

People are aware Frank turned 20 in July right? He’s far from a finished project.

That's exactly the problem. He's a low reward project who will do nothing for the bigs on this team who need guidance. Two years left on his rookie contract to do what? Develop into an average backup PG at best? Waste of time.

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People are aware Frank turned 20 in July right? He’s far from a finished project.

That's exactly the problem. He's a low reward project who will do nothing for the bigs on this team who need guidance. Two years left on his rookie contract to do what? Develop into an average backup PG at best? Waste of time.

You have to take chances on guys like Frank in Orlando’s position. You have to find value in other places when there is so little value outside of your youth.

Waste of time? No. What a waste of time would be is trading to acquire a 29 year old point guard that will lead this roster to a first / second round playoff losses for the next 4 years resulting in nothing.

[Furinkazan]

Bring Elfrid home.

isnt he at home now?

[MagicStarwipe]

Bring Elfrid home.

isnt he at home now?

Yeah, I'm just playing/trolling . New Orleans is a better situation for him.

[Furinkazan]

Bring Elfrid home.

isnt he at home now?

Yeah, I'm just playing/trolling . New Orleans is a better situation for him.

Id prefer him than Lonzo tbh.

[OrlandO]

People are aware Frank turned 20 in July right? He’s far from a finished project.

That's exactly the problem. He's a low reward project who will do nothing for the bigs on this team who need guidance. Two years left on his rookie contract to do what? Develop into an average backup PG at best? Waste of time.

You have to take chances on guys like Frank in Orlando’s position. You have to find value in other places when there is so little value outside of your youth.

Waste of time? No. What a waste of time would be is trading to acquire a 29 year old point guard that will lead this roster to a first / second round playoff losses for the next 4 years resulting in nothing.

There's no value in frank... not to any team that trades for him during his rookie contract. He's too big of a project. With two years left on his deal we'd basically be overpaying him just to farm him for another team... meanwhile he'd be making the game harder for our other youth. No thanks.

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That's exactly the problem. He's a low reward project who will do nothing for the bigs on this team who need guidance. Two years left on his rookie contract to do what? Develop into an average backup PG at best? Waste of time.

You have to take chances on guys like Frank in Orlando’s position. You have to find value in other places when there is so little value outside of your youth.

Waste of time? No. What a waste of time would be is trading to acquire a 29 year old point guard that will lead this roster to a first / second round playoff losses for the next 4 years resulting in nothing.

There's no value in frank... not to any team that trades for him during his rookie contract. He's too big of a project. With two years left on his deal we'd basically be overpaying him just to farm him for another team... meanwhile he'd be making the game harder for our other youth. No thanks.

Disagree . Even if he doesn’t beat DJ or a rookie pg out for a starting spot he provides more value than Grant and anyone else Orlando has defensively in either guard spot. There’s no drawback if he isn’t commanding a large contract (which he shouldn’t). People are failing to realize this acquisition in theory shouldn’t take valued assets and won’t directly effect how the team plays outside of taking minutes from backups. He would be Orlando’s youngest player next to Bamba.

[pepe1991]

i'm ok with some cheap trade for him, but i don't think Knicks would sell him cheap.
In same time he needs PT and i'm not 100% sold on idea that Magic are building around so many bad/questionable at best shooters.
Even best defenses in nba tend to run and gun a lot and much like Popovich said, basketball has come to who made more 3s.

Also it's pretty safe to say Frank ain't PG. He is probably best used as Marcus Smart, combo guard off bench for defense.
That type of player is worth what? Second round pick?

I don't see how he can pan out without some massive shooting and ballhandling development. Is it realistic? Maybe? Imo closer answer is no than yes.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Well if we move Vuc and land Lonzo then we're tanking for sure. But outside of his racist, bigot, mouth breathing father opening his pie hole whats the worst that can happen? **** it. Lets do it.

[Skin]

Hated Nktilinoaisnnafsfa in the draft and still hate him now.

Please stay away WeHam.