Knicks featured on latest "The Ringer" Podcast

[Billy Goat]

the fact that we have guys in the organization already dissappointed in a 19 year old and completely out on a 20 year olds future means these guys shouldn't have a job with the knicks...disgusting to hear. I literally have no confidence in the front office to make the right decisions unless you show out offensively like Trier has done...

Sometimes picks dont work out....Id rather the organization be ahead of the curve than behind it. Sometimes when you're rebuilding you have to churn and burn a bit. These players aren't on scholarship. Knox still obviously has a ton of time, but effort isnt coachable- its either there or its not.

[mpharris36]

the fact that we have guys in the organization already dissappointed in a 19 year old and completely out on a 20 year olds future means these guys shouldn't have a job with the knicks...disgusting to hear. I literally have no confidence in the front office to make the right decisions unless you show out offensively like Trier has done...

Sometimes picks dont work out....Id rather the organization be ahead of the curve than behind it. Sometimes when you're rebuilding you have to churn and burn a bit. These players aren't on scholarship. Knox still obviously has a ton of time, but effort isnt coachable- its either there or its not.

they picked the kid, its on them to develop him.

[Billy Goat]

the fact that we have guys in the organization already dissappointed in a 19 year old and completely out on a 20 year olds future means these guys shouldn't have a job with the knicks...disgusting to hear. I literally have no confidence in the front office to make the right decisions unless you show out offensively like Trier has done...

Sometimes picks dont work out....Id rather the organization be ahead of the curve than behind it. Sometimes when you're rebuilding you have to churn and burn a bit. These players aren't on scholarship. Knox still obviously has a ton of time, but effort isnt coachable- its either there or its not.

they picked the kid, its on them to develop him.

Effort isnt development though (if thats the reasoning here)

[mpharris36]

Sometimes picks dont work out....Id rather the organization be ahead of the curve than behind it. Sometimes when you're rebuilding you have to churn and burn a bit. These players aren't on scholarship. Knox still obviously has a ton of time, but effort isnt coachable- its either there or its not.

they picked the kid, its on them to develop him.

Effort isnt development though (if thats the reasoning here)

the effort part was not a new development though...they knew he had an effort issue in college...all you had to do was watch the games. They ended up selecting him based on a workout. That is a fact. So they believed they could work through his effort issues. So ultimately yes its completely on Perry and Fiz to get him to play with more urgency.

[Billy Goat]

they picked the kid, its on them to develop him.

Effort isnt development though (if thats the reasoning here)

the effort part was not a new development though...they knew he had an effort issue in college...all you had to do was watch the games. They ended up selecting him based on a workout. That is a fact. So they believed they could work through his effort issues. So ultimately yes its completely on Perry and Fiz to get him to play with more urgency.

How do you get someone to play harder?

[mpharris36]

Effort isnt development though (if thats the reasoning here)

the effort part was not a new development though...they knew he had an effort issue in college...all you had to do was watch the games. They ended up selecting him based on a workout. That is a fact. So they believed they could work through his effort issues. So ultimately yes its completely on Perry and Fiz to get him to play with more urgency.

How do you get someone to play harder?

i don't have the answer and that was exactly why he was well down on my list for who the knicks should pick at that spot but they knew about his lack of effort in college...this wasn't new information. So if they didn't believe they could fix him, why in gods good name would they pick him?

[Strick]

The funny thing about the complaints about Knox shooting the ball 80% of the time he touches the ball is the fact that he averages like 8 FGA per game. Which means by that logic he touches the damn ball about 10 times per game in like 18 minutes per game...

But that's not a problem it's on Frank and Knox. They have to want it more. Got it

[Billy Goat]

the effort part was not a new development though...they knew he had an effort issue in college...all you had to do was watch the games. They ended up selecting him based on a workout. That is a fact. So they believed they could work through his effort issues. So ultimately yes its completely on Perry and Fiz to get him to play with more urgency.

How do you get someone to play harder?

i don't have the answer and that was exactly why he was well down on my list for who the knicks should pick at that spot but they knew about his lack of effort in college...this wasn't new information. So if they didn't believe they could fix him, why in gods good name would they pick him?

I have no idea why they picked Knox. The silly hype over him chucking in summer league didnt help matters either.

[thebuzzardman]

It's unfortunate, but it really does seem inevitable that Frank will get traded. Some team will take a chance on him and buy low. There are a lot of signs on the wall that we are not too invested in him.

Information being leaked to a podcast is part of how the Knicks lay the groundwork for the trade.

They already have the Pravda broadcasting duo of Hahn\Wally taking a certain line.
Stuff getting put in the papers.

Listen, nothing wrong with them not liking him and in fact they may be right.

But it's the bitch way the organization functions. Any smart FA wouldn't want to be within a zillion miles of here.

Dolan may not be actively involved, but the same old culture is in place with Mills.

Perry might be ok/good as a GM, but the issues are still above him and within the entire org.

[thebuzzardman]

Kind of a side note, I’m really curious on the people bemoaning the iso-iso for more team oriented ball & more focus on a play set format.

Are you the same ones who want Durant? Because if you are, you’re going to be extremely disappointed in the case he comes here.

The Warriors iso as much as the current Knicks? News to me.

And yeah, I get all big time scorers will iso

[thebuzzardman]

I'm skeptical on this reporting. I just don't think it is possible for professional team builders to come to such hard conclusions so quickly.

If you believe it to be true though, then that would also mean that the organization, from top to bottom, is full of sh*t when they say they are focused on development.

There is no separation from those conclusions.

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[thebuzzardman]

You guys will believe anything you hear. It's easy to look at the team and claim we are high on Trier and Robinson and not on Frank and Knox given the former two are playing well. Hezonja experiment feeling like a disappointment? Shocking revelation. A 5 year old could see that. Why would an organization be down on their recent pick when he's basically played 10 games (after his ankle injury). Now some are upset we took him? The impatience is insane.

I don't even think they're down on the pick. The Ringer guys are down on the pick. The team were just talking up Trier and Robinson.

So, in other words when the guys on the podcast say the org doesn't like both guys, you'll run with "For Frank, TRUTH!" but then for Knox "Oh, it's these podcast guys"

Interesting.

[thebuzzardman]

I’d try to get fultz for frank. If not I’d move him with lee for an expiring. That 17.5 million will be more useful. But there’s a closing window of opportunity for us to get something out of that pick.


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why? It's not like any real FAs will come next season if we were to do that

There’s a few young guys on this team that might be worth an extended look. We could use that money to keep one or two and still have the money we just opened up.


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Maybe Frank could be packaged with THJr. They could sell teams on the fact that combined together they are almost a complete NBA player, at the bargain price of 22 million per year for the set.

[thebuzzardman]

Speaking of TheRinger podcasts, Bill Simmons tossed out an interesting proposal on his pod:

Tim Hardaway Jr for Wes Matthews’ contract

Case for NYK
- obvious

Case for Dallas
- The west is a muddled mess and they have no incentive to tank since they traded pick to get Doncic
- Doncic is more suited to play for a veteran laden team so it makes some sense to acquire good vets sooner than later
- THJR is pretty good

Welp, they lost me at the bolded part

[thebuzzardman]

The moment Mudiay was traded to the Knicks, I KNEW Frank Ntilikina was in trouble.

Fizdale was picked for his pliability with the front office.
Note Mudiay and Mario in the starting lineup, which is where they will stay for the rest of the year.


Fizdale is to the Knicks as Aaron Boone is to the Yanks.

[awy]

it's good that bill simmons think THJr is good. gotta get his value up more.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Speaking of TheRinger podcasts, Bill Simmons tossed out an interesting proposal on his pod:

Tim Hardaway Jr for Wes Matthews’ contract

Case for NYK
- obvious

Case for Dallas
- The west is a muddled mess and they have no incentive to tank since they traded pick to get Doncic
- Doncic is more suited to play for a veteran laden team so it makes some sense to acquire good vets sooner than later
- THJR is pretty good

Welp, they lost me at the bolded part

I mean, I want Courtney 100 times out of 100 if I'm that version of Dallas. Which I don't think they are. But whatever.

There is some Grade A garbage being floated right now. I guess everyone is waiting for 15 Dec ?

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Sorry, also lol at "have no incentive to tank".

Is the idea "" made-up poster > But ok, Luka's a "smart player" and "understands the real world", so maybe you can persuade him personally to purposefully throw games. "" ?

wtf???? wtactualf?

If Luka is uninjured he alone ensures the Mavs are borderline playoff at worst.

Wth did every rational poster here want to tank ****for Luka**** last year?

[JBreezeNY]

Kind of a side note, I’m really curious on the people bemoaning the iso-iso for more team oriented ball & more focus on a play set format.

Are you the same ones who want Durant? Because if you are, you’re going to be extremely disappointed in the case he comes here.

The Warriors iso as much as the current Knicks? News to me.

And yeah, I get all big time scorers will iso

Less about GS & more about KD.

[ForzaMetro]

Speaking of TheRinger podcasts, Bill Simmons tossed out an interesting proposal on his pod:

Tim Hardaway Jr for Wes Matthews’ contract

Case for NYK
- obvious

Case for Dallas
- The west is a muddled mess and they have no incentive to tank since they traded pick to get Doncic
- Doncic is more suited to play for a veteran laden team so it makes some sense to acquire good vets sooner than later
- THJR is pretty good

Welp, they lost me at the bolded part

He's 16th in the NBA in PPG and 17th out of 438 players in offensive RPM (and he's 26 years old). I certainly think he qualifies as "pretty good."