Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XIX: Rise of the BIG

[EAS Law]

Nobody can objectively look at this possible trade and say we should do it. Any enthusiasm about a move like this is 100% based in novelty

[Furinkazan]

If we want risky projects we should try Fultz instead but I woudnt be opposed to getting both Frank and Fultz if we can get them cheap for like a 2nd rounder + Simmons for Fultz and another 2nd rounder +Frazier(as report said NYK wanted to draft him)+ Iwundu/Grant for Frank.
Low risk high reward moves.

[OrlandoNed]

https://streamable.com/b6dwo

Our boy Isaac in a Geico commercial!

[drsd]

Negative. People's answers here are let's keep Evan and Vuc so we can win the Championship.

JUST WIN !



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[PrimeThyme]

Maybe a part of it has to do with the new lottery odds, but my feelings on tanking have really started to change this year. I was listening to a Woj podcast the other day when we were brought up and Woj was talking about how important it would be to our organization and fan base to get into the playoffs this year and I couldn't help but agree with him. They talked about the lottery and how ideally the lottery is in place for teams to dip in and out of. Like a Memphis last year who has remained competitive much of the last decade but had one down year, made a great selection, and now are in playoff contention again.

Thats how good organizations utilize the lottery. Bad organizations live in it. I look at organizations like Phoenix and Sacremento who have been in the lottery so long and the culture there is so bad and so ingrained that it makes it hard to break out of it and many times the players you select cant develop or reach their potential in it (Chriss, JJ, Bender, etc). We are so dangerously close to becoming that and for the sake of players like Isaac, AG, and Bamba I don't really want that for them. Professional sports is so much about habits, and in losing environments its hard to build good winning ones when all players have ever known is losing.

Is there a chance that they don't ever reach their potential and we become a treadmill team? Yeah, I suppose you run that risk but I'd rather take that risk than taking the risk of becoming a perennial top 6 lottery team that can't ever dig themselves out of it. We have shown the ability to attract free agents in the past. Isaac, Bamba, and AG have the potential to be very good players in this league. Before this last 6 years, we were one of the best small-medium sized organizations in the league. I want to be respected again and Id rather make a move for a PG to help our chances of making the playoffs this year than making a move to position ourselves for the lottery.

Its probably selfish of me as a fan to feel that way, but im just tired of being a joke.

[OrlandO]

Dwight out 3 months after lumbar surgery. The wizards are playing better this month, but without a decent C their season is over. Might start to see them blow it up soon.

[Def Swami]

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[RookieStar]

Hated Nktilinoaisnnafsfa in the draft and still hate him now.

Please stay away WeHam.

I still can't believe they passed on DSJ over him. If there was one player to pair with KP, that was DSJ. A human high light reel

[RookieStar]

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im not saying lets go get Lonzo BUT, with LBJ there, he will.never shine. I think he will be a good pg but he needs the ball whether as the facilitator or the secondary passer. His bball vision is good and he doesnt need to score for his team to win. He needs scorers around him that shoots without conscience though ala JJ Redick/ Ross/etc

Imagine Lonzo surrounded by say Ross, AG, Bamba,Vuc... non ball stoppers that immediatly shoot when open.

[NotACat]

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im not saying lets go get Lonzo BUT, with LBJ there, he will.never shine. I think he will be a good pg but he needs the ball whether as the facilitator or the secondary passer. His bball vision is good and he doesnt need to score for his team to win. He needs scorers around him that shoots without conscience though ala JJ Redick/ Ross/etc

Imagine Lonzo surrounded by say Ross, AG, Bamba,Vuc... non ball stoppers that immediatly shoot when open.

I'd rather have Ingram, I think he's shown the passing ability to run point. Doesn't pass as well as Ball, but at least he isn't a liability without the ball.

[RookieStar]

yeah but if you put Ingram at the 1 spot.. PGs like DJ will.run rings arpund him.

[SOUL]

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[pepe1991]

I'll never understand non Lakers fans love for Lonzo.

If guy plays on Atlanta literally nobody would care about him and common sense would be "bum- should kept Schroder".
His shooting form is broken, he can't get off dribble his own few months old baby, he can't drive, he can't stop and pop,he can't draw fouls, he can't shoot FTs, he can't do anything but stat pad rebounds and assists on single digit scoring numbers. Basically poor man's Rondo without any leadership atributes.

His motor is terrible.
He literally is Payton without any driving gift.

Ingram's biggest problem, on other hand, is that he isn't superstar that subjective, Lebron biased media hoped for. Hell, Lebron biased media have history of hating and blaming on Lebron's teammates for every L he ever got so poor kid never stood chance.
I don't think Ingram is future superstar but he could be solid B+ player. Never will happen with Lebron. His arrival was stunned growth of all young players as he slowly but surely turns Lakers into "Lebronkers".
At end of a day Lebron only knows how to play in one way. He has ball and others have to GTFO from paint and wait. He literally sabotages every other ballhandler by being terrible,static and flat out lazy off ball. Last night Lonzo runs offense and Lebron, for whole possession stood 35 feet from rim with hands on knees, never giving flying F about set play.

[fklt]

vuc 11th in the whole league in RPM. with 4.82, just behind giannis.

[drsd]

Cleveland, Atlanta, and Chicago are not trying to win (are tanking).
New York, Washington, and Brooklyn are flawed rosters and won't win.

Miami is a full 2-games back of the Magic.

Right now the 7-8-9 seeds look fairly certain to be allocated between Miami, Charlotte, and Orlando.

But with Oladipo out and Boston not playing well, Orlando could have moments hovering at the 6-seed.

In the end, I think Charlotte goes 7 and Orlando 8.

JUST WIN!


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[Driguez]

Cleveland, Atlanta, and Chicago are not trying to win (are tanking).
New York, Washington, and Brooklyn are flawed rosters and won't win.

Miami is a full 2-games back of the Magic.

Right now the 7-8-9 seeds look fairly certain to be allocated between Miami, Charlotte, and Orlando.

But with Oladipo out and Boston not playing well, Orlando could have moments hovering at the 6-seed.

In the end, I think Charlotte goes 7 and Orlando 8.

JUST WIN!


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I not keeping my hopes up at all. But man it would be great to be in the PO even as first round fodder. The experience itself for the youngs and finally something for fans to be excited about. Making the PO would be a step in the right direction. I was on the tank bandwagon last season, but obviously coach will not tank and it's making the team click in the right direction. There's something different this season from seasons past where we would start the season hot. Part of that is Vuc, which I think it's a combo of coach playing him to his strengths and contract year. He's proving me wrong for sure. Now, if Feb comes around and we are out of the PO race, just tank lol.

[Magic_Johnny12]

I’m still confused how Vucevic (expiring) + Ingram (good, but not setting the world on fire prospect) + (2) non-exsistent FRP’s gets you Anthony Davis.

This sounds like bologna.

You would imagine that Boston can easily beat that offer. I’m all for boosting our own players value, but if Vuc really holds that much value then we should really be looking elsewhere to deal him.

[Skybox]

I think we have to admit (grudgingly) that this is good-looking sustainable basketball under Clifford. We're not shooting lights out from 3. We've cut down mistakes and are moving the ball, mostly through Vuc...I think at the trade deadline, we trade Vuc (and pick?) OR Bamba (I said it) for significant player who can score in big moments from the wing or, preferably, point. Hopefully, Bamba will have shown enough by then to make him the keeper....BOOM-let me have it

[pepe1991]

Isaac, Vuc and Ross for Davis

[MagicStarwipe]

As good as Vuc is playing right now, I don't see WeltHam trading their guy to clear the way for a Hennigan guy.