2018-2019 OKC Thunder Regular Season Pt 1: A Renewed Hope

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Post#1261 » by Dn4sty » Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:22 pm

bondom34 wrote:Yeah at this point seems it's on the staff, at least in part. There's every sign of malpractice or incompetence from what I can tell. And they're stuck with trades because most guys don't make enough money for a 2 for 1 deal.


How is this in medical staff? I don’t get it
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Post#1262 » by bondom34 » Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:23 pm

NVM
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Post#1263 » by bondom34 » Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:23 pm

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bondom34 wrote:Yeah at this point seems it's on the staff, at least in part. There's every sign of malpractice or incompetence from what I can tell. And they're stuck with trades because most guys don't make enough money for a 2 for 1 deal.


How is this in medical staff? I don’t get it


Edit: It's just not a good look for them. Just looked into it a bit more, I don't know what to think.
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Post#1264 » by slick_watts » Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:36 pm

smoke = fire.

here's the test- who here is surprised that 'dre had another setback? the fact that you aren't should say all you need to know about the thunder's treatment of 'dre. 'dre should have been treated conservatively from day one. when they performed the scope to alleviate the swelling instead of waiting, the purpose of which was to preserve his initial return date prognosis, that was playing with fire. jeremy lin had the new surgery but his rehab was standard and conservative. may take a bit longer but at least you get the guy back in one piece.

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Post#1265 » by Dn4sty » Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:39 pm

slick_watts wrote:smoke = fire.

here's the test- who here is surprised that 'dre had another setback? the fact that you aren't should say all you need to know about the thunder's treatment of 'dre. 'dre should have been treated conservatively from day one. when they performed the scope to alleviate the swelling instead of waiting, the purpose of which was to preserve his initial return date prognosis, that was playing with fire. jeremy lin had the new surgery but his rehab was standard and conservative. may take a bit longer but at least you get the guy back in one piece.

'dre is reminding me more and more of kelenna azubuike.


There are so many assumptions in this post. You could talk yourself into anything.
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Post#1266 » by bondom34 » Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:40 pm

Yeah I'd almost been talked into a conspiracy theory . Not going there.
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Post#1267 » by slick_watts » Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:41 pm

Dn4sty wrote:
slick_watts wrote:smoke = fire.

here's the test- who here is surprised that 'dre had another setback? the fact that you aren't should say all you need to know about the thunder's treatment of 'dre. 'dre should have been treated conservatively from day one. when they performed the scope to alleviate the swelling instead of waiting, the purpose of which was to preserve his initial return date prognosis, that was playing with fire. jeremy lin had the new surgery but his rehab was standard and conservative. may take a bit longer but at least you get the guy back in one piece.

'dre is reminding me more and more of kelenna azubuike.


There are so many assumptions in this post. You could talk yourself into anything.


in the end nobody really knows anything except the team, 'dre, and his doctors. i've been adamant on the risks the thunder were taking when they did the scope from day one so i'll stick with that. this is one case where i would have much rather not been correct.

there is no 'conspiracy theory'. this is analysis of a sequence of events. you may feel differently and that's fine, but i'll bet that under the facade you're not surprised 'dre had another setback either and you're wondering too.
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Post#1268 » by CROklahoma » Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:42 pm

Dn4sty wrote:
slick_watts wrote:smoke = fire.

here's the test- who here is surprised that 'dre had another setback? the fact that you aren't should say all you need to know about the thunder's treatment of 'dre. 'dre should have been treated conservatively from day one. when they performed the scope to alleviate the swelling instead of waiting, the purpose of which was to preserve his initial return date prognosis, that was playing with fire. jeremy lin had the new surgery but his rehab was standard and conservative. may take a bit longer but at least you get the guy back in one piece.

'dre is reminding me more and more of kelenna azubuike.


There are so many assumptions in this post. You could talk yourself into anything.


Agree.
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Post#1269 » by ThunderBolt » Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:45 pm

The medical staffs job is to rehabilitate him from his injury both safely and effectively. They’ve failed. Multiple times. No Dr or surgeon has a 100% success rate and always achieve maximum recovery. I get that but we’ve had multiple players with major injuries suffer major setbacks. At some point maybe the need to adjust their methods and freaking slow down.
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Post#1270 » by Dn4sty » Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:54 pm

slick_watts wrote:
Dn4sty wrote:
slick_watts wrote:smoke = fire.

here's the test- who here is surprised that 'dre had another setback? the fact that you aren't should say all you need to know about the thunder's treatment of 'dre. 'dre should have been treated conservatively from day one. when they performed the scope to alleviate the swelling instead of waiting, the purpose of which was to preserve his initial return date prognosis, that was playing with fire. jeremy lin had the new surgery but his rehab was standard and conservative. may take a bit longer but at least you get the guy back in one piece.

'dre is reminding me more and more of kelenna azubuike.


There are so many assumptions in this post. You could talk yourself into anything.


in the end nobody really knows anything except the team, 'dre, and his doctors. i've been adamant on the risks the thunder were taking when they did the scope from day one so i'll stick with that. this is one case where i would have much rather not been correct.

there is no 'conspiracy theory'. this is analysis of a sequence of events. you may feel differently and that's fine, but i'll bet that under the facade you're not surprised 'dre had another setback either and you're wondering too.


I’m not surprised by a setback but it has nothing to do with the treatment and medical decision by OKC, but rather the simple fact that setbacks, complications, and issues are far more prominent with severe injuries
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Post#1271 » by spearsy23 » Sat Dec 1, 2018 12:00 am

It doesn't seem like any other teams have setbacks Everytime there's a significant injury.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Post#1272 » by Dn4sty » Sat Dec 1, 2018 12:03 am

In this thread we have the following:

- A position soaked in confirmation bias. This position already assumes that OKC can do nothing right, Therefore anything that can be interpreted to fit that narrative will, regardless of what anyone else says.

This setback by Dre further “proves” this position. Nothing will change this position.

If it wasn’t a Dre setback, this position would just fine something else to “fit”. It’s like clockwork
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Post#1273 » by Dn4sty » Sat Dec 1, 2018 12:04 am

spearsy23 wrote:It doesn't seem like any other teams have setbacks Everytime there's a significant injury.


The 76ers, the Celtics
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Post#1274 » by spearsy23 » Sat Dec 1, 2018 12:06 am

Dn4sty wrote:
spearsy23 wrote:It doesn't seem like any other teams have setbacks Everytime there's a significant injury.


The 76ers, the Celtics

Simmons, Kyrie, hayward, noel didn't have setbacks.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Post#1275 » by slick_watts » Sat Dec 1, 2018 12:07 am

Dn4sty wrote:In this thread we have the following:

- A position soaked in confirmation bias. This position already assumes that OKC can do nothing right, Therefore anything that can be interpreted to fit that narrative will, regardless of what anyone else says.

This setback by Dre further “proves” this position. Nothing will change this position.

If it wasn’t a Dre setback, this position would just fine something else to “fit”. It’s like clockwork


i don't think the setback proves anything. i think it's suggestive. the thunder were open in their official press release when 'dre had the initial scope that it was a voluntary procedure done to preserve the initial prognosis timeline, which was characterized as 'aggressive'. it was not necessary, and it was not the conservative approach to rehabbing. jeremy lin had to shut down his rehab at least once temporarily during his recovery as a result of swelling and did not elect to have procedures done to hasten his prognosis. maybe this doesn't mean anything, maybe it does. from my point of view, considering the thunder's track record, i think it does.

the thunder track record with injuries is quite literally a joke to most of the fanbase but there's a cognitive dissonance here for some reason.
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Post#1276 » by bondom34 » Sat Dec 1, 2018 12:09 am

I think they can be bad without it being a conspiracy.
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Post#1277 » by Dn4sty » Sat Dec 1, 2018 12:12 am

bondom34 wrote:I think they can be bad without it being a conspiracy.


Agree with this. But I’m beyond hesitant to make the claim that the medical staff associated with OKC is incompetent, hasty, and bad at their jobs.

They have access to care that we’d only dream of
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Post#1278 » by slick_watts » Sat Dec 1, 2018 12:13 am

bondom34 wrote:I think they can be bad without it being a conspiracy.


where is the conspiracy?
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Post#1279 » by bondom34 » Sat Dec 1, 2018 12:13 am

slick_watts wrote:
bondom34 wrote:I think they can be bad without it being a conspiracy.


where is the conspiracy?

Any idea they're withholding info
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Post#1280 » by slick_watts » Sat Dec 1, 2018 12:17 am

bondom34 wrote:
slick_watts wrote:
bondom34 wrote:I think they can be bad without it being a conspiracy.


where is the conspiracy?


Any idea they're withholding info


from players? the public? i don't see how this changes the critique of the roberson injury and setbacks. and while not withholding information, thunder reporters have openly remarked on how tight the thunder are with injury and recovery news and how it is to be spun. i think i posted the comment weston shepherd made from dailythunder that he was going to do a piece on thunder injuries but was 'told not to'.

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