Why we should trade for John Wall (Poll)

[PrimeThyme]

This will probably get pushback here, but I'm starting to get all in on the idea of trading for Wall. I just don't see what a team like us has to lose. We know that we are not tanking. The hiring of Clifford pretty much guarantees that we will be attempting to win as many games as we can for as long as he is here (people that think otherwise and believe that we will tank need to give it up as I have). If we know that to be the case, then why not put ourselves in the best position to actually make the playoffs and become as competitive as we can be.

Our one glaring weakness is at PG. I think with all the negativity surrounding the Wizards right now its easy to just forgot about how good of a player Wall actually is but the guy is still averaging 21 ppg, 8 apg, and just shot 37% from 3 last year. His percentages are a bit down due to a shooting slump the last 8 games or so but he is still playing at a very high level. This is a 5-time all-star we are talking about here and he is not on the decline either.

I know that the contract is what scares everyone off, but it's not like he will be under contract until he is 35. His extension starts at age 29 (just like Kembas max would) and he becomes a restricted free agent when he turns 33. That means at the minimum we get 3 (arguably 4) PRIME years of a 5-time all-star that hasn't suffered any major injuries, that hasn't shown any signs of decline, and that is basically a salary dump at this point. If we know that we are not getting Kemba for obvious reasons I don't understand why the same people who want to max out Kemba until his early 30's are so opposed to the idea of Wall if they are honest with themselves and know that Kemba coming here isnt realistic.

If we can trade Fournier straight up or some expiring contracts and a SRP to get this guy, how would people not be down for this? Id be way more confident in what I would be getting in Wall then I would be signing Dinwiddie or even Russell to a big contract this season or trading for someone like Fultz or Ball.

Wall pretty much guarantees you (barring injury) the playoffs the next 4 years and if Isaac or Bamba ever become as good as we think they can be we would have a legitimate playoff contender on our hands. If you can get Wall without giving up Isaac, Bamba, AG, or Vuc you have to make this trade.

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[woosah]

I just wonder how that exchange would have went if that was Cliff that Wall yelled ,"f you" to at practice.

[Knightro]

I would absolutely be for Wall in a straight salary dump scenario.

The trade kicker would make it very tricky to pull off a Wall deal this season, but this summer?

Fournier, Mozgov and the OKC pick for Wall?

Call it in.

[OrlandO]

If there's no trade kicker I'm all for it. Still not sure how that works as I've heard different things. Can he waive it in order to get moved sooner? Does it completely disappear if traded after the season?

I'm not worried about his age... he expires while he's still 32.

I'm not worried about injuries... he's never had tears or fractures in his legs.

I'm not worried about contending for a championship anytime soon. We've got a young core... they need to be developed properly over the next few years - meaning succeed in roles that make sense for them. More than anything they need an above average starting PG, go-to scorer to play off, and go-to playmaker to set them up. Wall checks all these boxes. If we can be a playoff team while developing players that would be excellent.

I'm not worried about the $38-47 million per year contract either. If he was a free agent most fans would be convincing themselves he's worth an overpay of 30-35 million. So what are we talking about really? An extra 8-12 million of deadweight money? Who cares? You get an all star locked up for four years to team with BIG without giving up major assets. Chalk it up to the cost of doing business... the cost of developing youth in a better situation. We aren't getting anyone better with that cap space.

[The Real Dalic]

Yes please. If we can pair our All-Star Vuc with Wall for just Fournier and a pick and maybe Mozgov too if we could, then I definitely do it. We'd finally have an established star here and with his passing and lobs imagine what AG and Bamba can do with him. It also moves a solid guard in DJ to the bench. Suddenly, our PG position not only stops being a weak spot, but it also becomes one of our best positions.

The only thing is that we'd probably have to start Simmons for the rest of the year at the 2 and insert Isaac back into the starting 5. Our bench would take a small hit with Iwundu and probably Martin having to step in to the rotation.

[The Real Dalic]

If there's no trade kicker I'm all for it. Still not sure how that works as I've heard different things. Can he waive it in order to get moved sooner? Does it completely disappear if traded after the season?

I'm not worried about his age... he expires while he's still 32.

I'm not worried about injuries... he's never had tears or fractures in his legs.

I'm not worried about contending for a championship anytime soon. We've got a young core... they need to be developed properly over the next few years - meaning succeed in roles that make sense for them. More than anything they need an above average starting PG, go-to scorer to play off, and go-to playmaker to set them up. Wall checks all these boxes. If we can be a playoff team while developing players that would be excellent.

I'm not worried about the $38-47 million per year contract either. If he was a free agent most fans would be convincing themselves he's worth an overpay of 30-35 million. So what are we talking about really? An extra 8-12 million of deadweight money? Who cares? You get an all star locked up for four years to team with BIG without giving up major assets. Chalk it up to the cost of doing business... the cost of developing youth in a better situation. We aren't getting anyone better with that cap space.

100% this. I'm really hoping to swing for the fences. We always see these other teams buy really low on stars because of bad situations and they become better and we always talk about how we couldn't make a move because of a lack of assets. We can actually get an established star just for Fournier and maybe a pick or two with how bad the market for Wall is. We're also not likely to get a star free agent for a couple of years anyway, but Wall turns some heads in our direction while guaranteeing playoffs both by joining us, but also weakening the Wizards.

Not sure why we would be saving the cap for anyway, we're likely not gonna get anyone worthwhile in free agency anyway. John Wall would essentially be the free agent signing we would be hoping for if he were a free agent.

[Nemesis21]

F no. Absolutely not.

[OrlandO]

I would absolutely be for Wall in a straight salary dump scenario.

The trade kicker would make it very tricky to pull off a Wall deal this season, but this summer?

Fournier, Mozgov and the OKC pick for Wall?

Call it in.

If he wants out and likes Orlando's situation better maybe he'll be open to waiving the kicker? I mean he's going to lose that benefit if they can't trade him this season anyway, right?

[axl_c_cool]

if we are just are just dumping salary then this is the type of deal we need. A veteran all star with a good coach and supporting cast, who else are we going to spend the salary on?

[Max Power]

We absolutely need to acquire an All Star talent to take that next step. We have good pieces in Vuc, Gordon, Bamba, Issac, Ross. We’re a .500 team and I can actually see us getting better as time progresses. So we’re in 7-10 seed territory so we’re not in the race for the top draft pick, we need an established star now. Wall brings things we need like playing with an edge, a go to guy and he does them as a point guard, our most glaring need.

Here’s my problem. He’s way too expensive, isn’t going to make the Magic a contender and brings a slew of external problems with him. If we’re going to make a trade, I’d look at Beal first. He’s not the walking cluster***k that Fournier is, and he’s a prime shooter, which the Magic still need.

[OrlandO]

We absolutely need to acquire an All Star talent to take that next step. We have good pieces in Vuc, Gordon, Bamba, Issac, Ross. We’re a .500 team and I can actually see us getting better as time progresses. So we’re in 7-10 seed territory so we’re not in the race for the top draft pick, we need an established star now. Wall brings things we need like playing with an edge, a go to guy and he does them as a point guard, our most glaring need.

Here’s my problem. He’s way too expensive, isn’t going to make the Magic a contender and brings a slew of external problems with him. If we’re going to make a trade, I’d look at Beal first. He’s not the walking cluster***k that Fournier is, and he’s a prime shooter, which the Magic still need.

Problem with trading for Beal is we'd have to give up real assets and he can walk in two years. Plus we'd still have that glaring need for a PG.

[RickB-Orlando]

If there's no trade kicker I'm all for it. Still not sure how that works as I've heard different things. Can he waive it in order to get moved sooner? Does it completely disappear if traded after the season?

I'm not worried about his age... he expires while he's still 32.

I'm not worried about injuries... he's never had tears or fractures in his legs.

I'm not worried about contending for a championship anytime soon. We've got a young core... they need to be developed properly over the next few years - meaning succeed in roles that make sense for them. More than anything they need an above average starting PG, go-to scorer to play off, and go-to playmaker to set them up. Wall checks all these boxes. If we can be a playoff team while developing players that would be excellent.

I'm not worried about the $38-47 million per year contract either. If he was a free agent most fans would be convincing themselves he's worth an overpay of 30-35 million. So what are we talking about really? An extra 8-12 million of deadweight money? Who cares? You get an all star locked up for four years to team with BIG without giving up major assets. Chalk it up to the cost of doing business... the cost of developing youth in a better situation. We aren't getting anyone better with that cap space.

I agree with all of this. Assuming we can get him for pennies on the dollar, he's the closest thing to a legitimate star we can grab in the next few years.

Yes he'll be overpaid, but every team has an overpaid player or three these days. I'd rather we overpay for a legitimate star.

[PrimeThyme]

Thats the thing, of course I would rather trade for beal but its not a matter of that. Wall comes at a significantly discounted price. One or two of Isaac, Bamba, and AG goes in a Beal trade plus future firsts. Walls discounted price is why I want us to trade for him.

[PrimeThyme]

F no. Absolutely not.

How come?

[Nemesis21]

F no. Absolutely not.

How come?

Too much money.I'm not high on either him or Beal, but would take Beal all day.


Hell, I'd rather pray for a good enough pick for Morant. Or go after Dinwiddie.

[PrimeThyme]

F no. Absolutely not.

How come?

Too much money.I'm not high on either him or Beal, but would take Beal all day.


Hell, I'd rather pray for a good enough pick for Morant. Or go after Dinwiddie.

Of course, I would too, but Beal takes real assets to get. Wall is a salary dump. If you're getting a bonified all-star in return I'm not sure why the money is such an issue for a team in our position. What else are we going to spend it on?

I'll never understand the Dinwiddie hype either. I need to see a full season of him playing at this level before I buy in. For most of his career, he has just been a very inefficient score first guard. I don't see anything overly special with him. Nowhere near to being the caliber of player that Wall is.

[Knightro]

F no. Absolutely not.

How come?

The simple answer is that Nem wants the Magic to tank for high lotto pick because he believes that is the only way for a small market team to land a superstar player.

Unfortunately, Nem either doesn't realize or doesn't to want to accept the fact that the Magic aren't going to tank anymore. Not with this head coach and this front office.

Now... before he curses me out like he always does, I want to again stress in all caps HE IS NOT WRONG ABOUT THE TOP OF THE DRAFT BEING THE BEST WAY TO ACQUIRE STAR PLAYERS. But that is pretty much irrelevant because the Magic simply aren't tanking whether he wants them to or not.

I get it though. Trading for John Wall at that salary puts the Magic firmly on the treadmill. Realistically not good enough to compete for the title, but certainly not bad enough to land a difference maker in the lotto either.

[Nemesis21]

How come?

Too much money.I'm not high on either him or Beal, but would take Beal all day.


Hell, I'd rather pray for a good enough pick for Morant. Or go after Dinwiddie.

Of course, I would too, but Beal takes real assets to get. Wall is a salary dump. If you're getting a bonified all-star in return I'm not sure why the money is such an issue for a team in our position. What else are we going to spend it on?

I'll never understand the Dinwiddie hype either. I need to see a full season of him playing at this level before I buy in. For most of his career, he has just been a very inefficient score first guard. I don't see anything overly special with him. Nowhere near to being the caliber of player that Wall is.

That's fine. Different opinions. You asked mine.

[Nemesis21]

F no. Absolutely not.

How come?

The simple answer is that Nem wants the Magic to tank for high lotto pick because he believes that is the only way for a small market team to land a superstar player.

Unfortunately, Nem either doesn't realize or doesn't to want to accept the fact that the Magic aren't going to tank anymore. Not with this head coach and this front office.

Now... before he curses me out like he always does, I want to again stress in all caps HE IS NOT WRONG ABOUT THE TOP OF THE DRAFT BEING THE BEST WAY TO ACQUIRE STAR PLAYERS. But that is pretty much irrelevant because the Magic simply aren't tanking whether he wants them to or not.

I get it though. Trading for John Wall at that salary puts the Magic firmly on the treadmill. Realistically not good enough to compete for the title, but certainly not bad enough to land a difference maker in the lotto either.

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