Fake Trade Thread 2

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

I have never been a fan of Wiggins, and that has not changed. Serious question though, and think about the pros and cons when answering.

Would you trade Batum for Wiggins if we could also include Marvin for Taj Gibson in the deal?

Wolves get - Batum and Marvin
Hornets get - Wiggins and Taj

Obviously the Wiggins contract is bad and is 2 years longer than Batum. However, Taj Gibson is an expiring that gets us out of Marvins deal to help resign Kemba and Lamb this summer. Wiggins is young and may be better in the Borrego uptempo system compared to the slow paced Thibs system. He is still young with a chance to improve under Borrego unlike Batum who is just getting older and slower. Taj would bring some defense, toughness, and rebounding here with his expiring.

Thibs coaches like Clifford, so Batum and Marvin are better for that system than the Borrego system.

I would, but my concern is actually having Wiggins and Monk on the same team.

[stinger14]

I have never been a fan of Wiggins, and that has not changed. Serious question though, and think about the pros and cons when answering.

Would you trade Batum for Wiggins if we could also include Marvin for Taj Gibson in the deal?

Wolves get - Batum and Marvin
Hornets get - Wiggins and Taj

Obviously the Wiggins contract is bad and is 2 years longer than Batum. However, Taj Gibson is an expiring that gets us out of Marvins deal to help resign Kemba and Lamb this summer. Wiggins is young and may be better in the Borrego uptempo system compared to the slow paced Thibs system. He is still young with a chance to improve under Borrego unlike Batum who is just getting older and slower. Taj would bring some defense, toughness, and rebounding here with his expiring.

Thibs coaches like Clifford, so Batum and Marvin are better for that system than the Borrego system.

I would, but my concern is actually having Wiggins and Monk on the same team.

Good point, but hopefully they would play on opposite rotations, Batum just doesn't fit with anybody in this system.

[bravor]

Not sure how you convince Kemba to sign a friendly extension if you replace Batum by Wiggins basically.That's like jumping from the 8th floor window instead of jumping from the cliff.

Btw, new rumor about the wizards asking for both Monk & Miles to get Beal. topic hereon trade forum

I assume something like :
Batum/Miles/Monk for Beal/Oubre (or Satoransky)

[catch20two]

Don’t want Wiggins over here. He can’t even make due in a perfect situation for him given ample opportunity and volume in Minnesota.

Exactly what do you pro-Wiggins people think will happen here if he was traded to Charlotte?

[Eoghan]

Don’t want Wiggins over here. He can’t even make due in a perfect situation for him given ample opportunity and volume in Minnesota.

Exactly what do you pro-Wiggins people think will happen here if he was traded to Charlotte?

He would get to play for a coach that doesn't run (Please Use More Appropriate Word) van Gundy ball.

[HornetJail]

I have never been a fan of Wiggins, and that has not changed. Serious question though, and think about the pros and cons when answering.

Would you trade Batum for Wiggins if we could also include Marvin for Taj Gibson in the deal?

Wolves get - Batum and Marvin
Hornets get - Wiggins and Taj

Obviously the Wiggins contract is bad and is 2 years longer than Batum. However, Taj Gibson is an expiring that gets us out of Marvins deal to help resign Kemba and Lamb this summer. Wiggins is young and may be better in the Borrego uptempo system compared to the slow paced Thibs system. He is still young with a chance to improve under Borrego unlike Batum who is just getting older and slower. Taj would bring some defense, toughness, and rebounding here with his expiring.

Thibs coaches like Clifford, so Batum and Marvin are better for that system than the Borrego system.

Wiggins contract is risky but that's a 110% yes for me. There is no upside to sticking with the status quo. Shake it up and buy low on a young guy who has been a big scorer in the league already, and Taj Gibson would be an enormous pick up for us. Easily becomes our #1 or #2 big man depending on how Cody is feeling that day, shave off a year on the contract... what's not to like?

I doubt that gets a deal done with MIN but I'd give them a 1st to do it, easily

[JDR720]

Wiggins is pretty terrible, he might actually be worse than Nic is. I would ask Minnesota for a 1st since Wiggins has 5yrs on his deal and Nic just has 3. Even then i might pass.

[JDR720]

Nic and Monk for Whiteside (Player option)

Nic and Monk for Dudley and Faried (expiring)

Nic and Monk for Randolph and Koufos (expiring)

[BigSlam]

Nic and Monk for Dudley and Faried (expiring)

That is one I'd do.

Dudley would bring BBIQ and Faried the physicality and energy of an MKG in a larger body.

[JDR720]

Nic and Monk for Dudley and Faried (expiring)

That is one I'd do.

Dudley would bring BBIQ and Faried the physicality and energy of an MKG in a larger body.

I think we could keep them for cheap too. Although Faried doesn't really fit anywhere other than a rebounding specialist (which would actually be useful), but Dudley can be the SF version of Marvin easily.

[HornetJail]

i definitely wouldn't use Monk to dump Nic for mostly useless expirings. Dudley doesn't do anything anymore, and while Faried could slot into our lineup from time to time for his rebounding, he isn't worth much. At this point I'd probably attach our 2019 1st to dump Nic, but not Monk or Bridges

[JDR720]

Nobody is taking Nic for a mid 1st.

[HornetJail]

Nobody is taking Nic for a mid 1st.

that's fine. if we need room next summer, I stretch out Biz and/or Marvin's final year before sending out one of our young guys just to dump Nic. If we don't need room next summer but want to save it for the year after, we have $33M in dead weight coming off the books that year between Biz and Marv. I don't see trading Nic as a necessity.

I think a more likely scenario is Nic getting moved with some stuff attached for an unwanted but less objectionable contract.

If we're really sketched out about Nic's final year, do we consider cutting our losses and trading him straight up for a totally useless player like Chandler Parsons who will provide jack **** for the next 18 months, but expire a year sooner than Nic? The Grizz clearly do not want to tank and would probably use Nic better than we do

[Splitta]

I would definitely dump Monk with Nic for expirings. The future money saved from Nic's bad contract could get you a NBA ready player/scorer. Monk is still an unknown and has not shown much potential at this time. Just getting rid of Nic and his 30+ minutes per game of providing nothing to the team would be a big plus and the team would be better imo.

[Braggins]

Nobody is taking Nic for a mid 1st.

that's fine. if we need room next summer, I stretch out Biz and/or Marvin's final year before sending out one of our young guys just to dump Nic. If we don't need room next summer but want to save it for the year after, we have $33M in dead weight coming off the books that year between Biz and Marv. I don't see trading Nic as a necessity.

I think a more likely scenario is Nic getting moved with some stuff attached for an unwanted but less objectionable contract.

If we're really sketched out about Nic's final year, do we consider cutting our losses and trading him straight up for a totally useless player like Chandler Parsons who will provide jack **** for the next 18 months, but expire a year sooner than Nic? The Grizz clearly do not want to tank and would probably use Nic better than we do

They could stretch Parsons contract over three years after this season and create almost 17 million in space for the next two years at the cost of losing 8 million for the season after Nic would have expired. That actually seems a pretty easy fix.

I think they could get down to about 64 million (before cap holds) if they did the Batum/Parson swap and stretch, traded Biz for George Hills 1 million guaranteed in 2019/2020, and declined Parker's option. If they also sent out WHG + Bacon to facilitate those trades, or just for 2nd round picks, that would create another 3.2 million in space.

With a 109 million salary cap, that should actually be enough to cover Lamb's cap hold and offer Kemba around up to around 35 million per year. If Lamb would resign for 15 mil/per, they'd still have over 20 million in space 2020/2021 and could create another 15 million by getting rid of Cody's expiring contract.

[JMAC3]

Why would we attach monk to Batum contract just to go overpay someone else?

Who do you think we are getting with that money now? Let’s have a plan in place and not just think the grass is greener on the other side.


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[JDR720]

Why would we attach monk to Batum contract just to go overpay someone else?

Who do you think we are getting with that money now? Let’s have a plan in place and not just think the grass is greener on the other side.


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we need cap space to keep kemba and maybe lamb.

[Liver_Pooty]

Im intrigued to see what Lamb would fetch in a trade.

[Diop]

Im intrigued to see what Lamb would fetch in a trade.

if we cant pay him next season, we would be mad not to shop him

[BeesWax]

Im intrigued to see what Lamb would fetch in a trade.

if we cant pay him next season, we would be mad not to shop him

I was thinking the same thing. There is no way to bring him back unless we move of a good bit of salary so we might want to see if we can get something of value for him.