Raptors Select Paskal Siakam 27th

WuTang_CMB · Post #861 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Sun Dec 2, 2018 6:47 pm

Steve Urkel wrote:This is the pick which made me think “hmmm... maybe guys who get paid a ton of money to professionally scout and evaluate talent are better at it than me with my 8 hours of YouTube/Wikipedia reasearch.”

I'd say so :lol:

Deyonte Davis and Timothy Luwawu, Demetrius Jackson were on everyone's minds (including mine)

Masai is the best drafter the NBA has ever seen.

vaff87 · Post #862 » by **vaff87** » Sun Dec 2, 2018 6:50 pm

SHFT wrote:
Wo1verine wrote:
CoachD wrote:

Um no.

I can name way more times when fans got it wrong, and the team was right than the opposite.

- How about when Raptor fans booed Stoudamire cuz they wanted Ed O'Bannon?
- How about when Knicks fans booed Porzingis?

I could go on and on and on....

That's incorrect statement - All you have to do is read the draft threads. Fans are correct way more than you think.

Masai or any GM for that matter have been wrong lots.
"Fans"? Which "fans"? There are 1000s of us my guess is we are wrong way more often than we are right.

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Yeah, that claim that “fans are correct way more than you think” is total BS.

Darkseid · Post #863 » by **Darkseid** » Sun Dec 2, 2018 7:14 pm

Steve Urkel wrote:This is the pick which made me think “hmmm... maybe guys who get paid a ton of money to professionally scout and evaluate talent are better at it than me with my 8 hours of YouTube/Wikipedia reasearch.”

Nah I'm still better at it

Steve Urkel · Post #864 » by **Steve Urkel** » Sun Dec 2, 2018 7:27 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:
Steve Urkel wrote:This is the pick which made me think “hmmm... maybe guys who get paid a ton of money to professionally scout and evaluate talent are better at it than me with my 8 hours of YouTube/Wikipedia reasearch.”

I'd say so

Deyonte Davis and Timothy Luwawu, Demetrius Jackson were on everyone's minds (including mine)

Masai is the best drafter the NBA has ever seen.

Skal was on my mind but Pascal is something special at the 27th pick.

I’m not sure if Masai is the best drafter in the NBA but he’s not afraid to take risks and reach for someone he likes (worst case Bruno). He does seem to have a ‘type’ that he drafts(or signs for FVV), usually older (Norm, Siakam, Delon, FVV) and sometimes from a school in a sub par conference (Siakam, FVV), often likes athletic guys too.

RaptorsLife · Post #865 » by **RaptorsLife** » Sun Dec 2, 2018 7:41 pm

His 3pt shoot looks so smooth. I see a top 10 player

YelloC · Post #866 » by **YelloC** » Sun Dec 2, 2018 10:48 pm

Watching Pascals progression has me wanting to do a deep dive into under the radar prospects. Find guys with two elite skills and see if the rest can be refined.
It's funny that Siakams strengths were speed and motor. Those traits may seem like the same thing but the motor comes through on the defensive side/switching.
He actually seems like a Big Barbosa. I recall Barbosa being a decent defender and he looked long.

BDDray420 · Post #867 » by **BDDray420** » Sun Dec 2, 2018 11:00 pm

I remember when a ton of people want Skal... That dude had all the makings of a bust

6ixSideSniper · Post #868 » by **6ixSideSniper** » Sun Dec 2, 2018 11:25 pm

Steve Urkel wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:
Steve Urkel wrote:This is the pick which made me think “hmmm... maybe guys who get paid a ton of money to professionally scout and evaluate talent are better at it than me with my 8 hours of YouTube/Wikipedia reasearch.”

I'd say so

Deyonte Davis and Timothy Luwawu, Demetrius Jackson were on everyone's minds (including mine)

Masai is the best drafter the NBA has ever seen.

Skal was on my mind but Pascal is something special at the 27th pick.

I’m not sure if Masai is the best drafter in the NBA but he’s not afraid to take risks and reach for someone he likes (worst case Bruno). He does seem to have a ‘type’ that he drafts(or signs for FVV), usually older (Norm, Siakam, Delon, FVV) and sometimes from a school in a sub par conference (Siakam, FVV), often likes athletic guys too.

If a player has a + wingspan (greater than their height) and athletic, chances are Masai is going to draft him.

WuTang_CMB · Post #869 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Mon Dec 3, 2018 12:31 am

Pascal, Skal and Poeltl were in a private workout in Buffalo held by the Raps 2 days before the draft.

Siakam dominated Skal in every aspect. That's what supposedly sealed the deal.

ontnut · Post #870 » by **ontnut** » Mon Dec 3, 2018 4:23 am

RaptorsLife wrote:His 3pt shoot looks so smooth. I see a top 10 player

Ho boy.
No ammunition here to shoot down your statement.

When we drafted him, I was meh on the pick, but figured it being a 27th pick, it was going to be meh regardless. I saw energy big from the videos. Nothing special. His passing/court vision, handles, and touch have all been impressive and improved each season by leaps and bounds. Impressive stuff from Siakam.

Bigcountrykang · Post #871 » by **Bigcountrykang** » Mon Dec 3, 2018 4:28 am

zilby wrote:Basically from what I read is Bismack Biyombo without the athleticism

Lmao

Raps in 4 · Post #872 » by **Raps in 4** » Mon Dec 3, 2018 5:10 am

"no more euros"

Raps in 4 · Post #873 » by **Raps in 4** » Mon Dec 3, 2018 5:13 am

Bigcountrykang wrote:
zilby wrote:Basically from what I read is Bismack Biyombo without the athleticism

Lmao

Most of the scouting reports at the time listed him as "unathletic" lol.

Wo1verine · Post #874 » by **Wo1verine** » Mon Dec 3, 2018 5:45 am

Steve Urkel wrote:This is the pick which made me think “hmmm... maybe guys who get paid a ton of money to professionally scout and evaluate talent are better at it than me with my 8 hours of YouTube/Wikipedia reasearch.”

I don't know man GMs scout and get paid loads and still get it wrong - My 8 hours of YT/Wikipedia would have told me ( and many other fans) that Durant was easily the number one pick for example.

Hulk_Hogan · Post #875 » by **Hulk_Hogan** » Mon Dec 3, 2018 6:40 am

Never understood all the talk in the off-season after Casey was fired that Masai was now in the hot seat. That makes no sense brother. It’s clear he is one of the top executives in basketball, regardless of the final result this year brother. The heavy majority of his moves are positive and he does not give an F about pissing people off brother.

Ackshun · Post #876 » by **Ackshun** » Mon Dec 3, 2018 6:48 am

Steve Urkel wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:
Steve Urkel wrote:This is the pick which made me think “hmmm... maybe guys who get paid a ton of money to professionally scout and evaluate talent are better at it than me with my 8 hours of YouTube/Wikipedia reasearch.”

I'd say so

Deyonte Davis and Timothy Luwawu, Demetrius Jackson were on everyone's minds (including mine)

Masai is the best drafter the NBA has ever seen.

Skal was on my mind but Pascal is something special at the 27th pick.

I’m not sure if Masai is the best drafter in the NBA but he’s not afraid to take risks and reach for someone he likes (worst case Bruno). He does seem to have a ‘type’ that he drafts(or signs for FVV), usually older (Norm, Siakam, Delon, FVV) and sometimes from a school in a sub par conference (Siakam, FVV), often likes athletic guys too.

I'm sure its a combination of the 'type' of player and the spot where is he drafting. Often enough, these 2-4 year college players slip through the cracks as they are seen as older. Everyone is love with those 1 and done guys in the lottery. Masai plays it safe.

macNcheese3 · Post #877 » by **macNcheese3** » Mon Dec 3, 2018 6:54 am

Best late pick we’ve had after 20th. Who else panned out this well after 20? I can’t seem to remember. We had a ton of horrible picks in the top 15.

6ixSideSniper · Post #878 » by **6ixSideSniper** » Mon Dec 3, 2018 8:41 am

macNcheese3 wrote:Best late pick we’ve had after 20th. Who else panned out this well after 20? I can’t seem to remember. We had a ton of horrible picks in the top 15.

Morris Peterson at 21
Delon Wright at 20
OG Anunoby at 23
Pascal Siakam at 27

Those are our only servicable players selected after the 20th pick, 3/4 of the picks were made by Masai.

Anatomize · Post #879 » by **Anatomize** » Mon Dec 3, 2018 11:09 am

YelloC wrote:Watching Pascals progression has me wanting to do a deep dive into under the radar prospects. Find guys with two elite skills and see if the rest can be refined.
It's funny that Siakams strengths were speed and motor. Those traits may seem like the same thing but the motor comes through on the defensive side/switching.
He actually seems like a Big Barbosa. I recall Barbosa being a decent defender and he looked long.

Motor for bigs is a quality trait in today’s NBA. He made a motor pick in Poeltl as well. Harrell was one of my favorite late round prospects, I was immediately impressed watching his workouts and scouting vids. He has length and a nonstop aggressive motor, the reason these guys (he, Siakam) succeeded where Faried did not is one their basketball iq, two they don’t think they’re better than they actually are so they play within themselves, and they capitalized on a higher offensive upside.

Getting lanky shoot em up bigs or post only guys in the late rounds is a waste. Guys like Capela are more coveted, two way players who understand their role, and can go nonstop.

GordanFreeman · Post #880 » by **GordanFreeman** » Mon Dec 3, 2018 11:31 am

WuTang_OG wrote:
Steve Urkel wrote:This is the pick which made me think “hmmm... maybe guys who get paid a ton of money to professionally scout and evaluate talent are better at it than me with my 8 hours of YouTube/Wikipedia reasearch.”

I'd say so

Deyonte Davis and Timothy Luwawu, Demetrius Jackson were on everyone's minds (including mine)

Masai is the best drafter the NBA has ever seen.

Imagine if he hadn't passed on sabonis