Wizards asking for Miles and Monk

[Dat2U]

MKG, Lamb, Monk, Bridges is the minimum imo, but honestly I’d be shocked if Washington reactively trades Beal for that return.

Beal is not worth that, and Charlotte would not trade that

You right, Beal is not worth that. He's worth more than just B/C level assets.

It's also not unusual for folks to be optimistic about their young players. Also I'm not necessarily suggesting people "write off" Monk, but based on performance thus far, it's fair for others to question whether it's likely he'll reach his upside. Also plenty of young guys who never developed showed flashes before so Monk having spurts of hot shooting doesn't make him unique in any way.

[amcoolio]

I'm sorry, but no team is trading 4 young rotation players for someone who's impact is as questionable as Beal. We aren't talking about James Harden here.

[pcbothwel]

I'm sorry, but no team is trading 4 young rotation players for someone who's impact is as questionable as Beal. We aren't talking about James Harden here.

Lol..what?!?
The NBA is not the NFL. It is a star driven, top heavy league. You trade 4 Nickels for a quarter every day of the week if you can.
Year after year, trade after trade... we see the same theme, more or less: The team that gets the best player wins the trade, because the aggregate of the "Rotational" pieces never adds up.
Fact is, if you have a strong scouting department you will find the under evaluated players that actually do many of the little things that get you wins.
Harrell, Covington, Satoransky, Danny Green, Joe Ingles, Olynyk, Josh Hart, Josh Richardson, Iggy, etc...
All are FANTASTIC players and are the glue that championship teams need... but you dont hesitate to trade one of them if it gets you a star (Obviously salary factors in).

An expiring Lamp and "Lunch Pale"/3 & D wing like Bridges have value...but the ceiling seems obvious.

And BTW... Monk is nowhere near a "Rotation Piece" as of now. He provides a negative on court impact and appears to be more Old man Jamal Crawford than he does Prime Lou Will.
He is simply a buy low filler piece...

[JDR720]

Our bench and Kemba are the only reasons that we are even close to .500. Trading 2 of our top bench guys (Miles/MKG) and Lamb (who is our only starter who is consistently good besides Kemba) makes us worse.

Kemba-Tony
Beal-Bacon
Nic-???
Marvin-Frank
Cody-Willy

That team is worse than what we have now.

Look at the other star SG's that have been traded recently. Almost all of them went for less than their perceived value, Beal will be too especially considering he is the worst one of the bunch (Butler, PG13 etc.)

EDIT: and that makes our cap problems worse. Any Beal trade has to involve Nic IMO.

[Jody Smokz]

Am I the only one that doesn't think that high of Bradley Beal? Really good player but he isn't remotely close to a star player imo. Great add for CHA if they can get him for a reasonable price.

[jbk1234]

duplicate.

[jbk1234]

Am I the only one that doesn't think that high of Bradley Beal? Really good player but he isn't remotely close to a star player imo. Great add for CHA if they can get him for a reasonable price.

Setting aside the *star* label (as it's a pretty subjective/irrelevant descriptor), I feel kind of like that as well. In fairness to Beal, it seems like all of their core has flirted with underachieving throughout the years. It's hard to get a read on why they aren't working as well as you think they should be. He is younger and under contract for a few more seasons. I kind of have him pegged at Kyrie's value.

[jbent87]

I see both sides as a Sixers fan. We trade Dario/Cov for the starpower of Jimmy Butler every time. But if MIN also asked for TJ McConnell and Wilson Chandler, we'd probably be like well hold on, I still need to roster a team post trade... like what good is getting this guy if you're sending out the rest of my role players to do it?

Monk, Bridges and picks seems to be a fair offer that satisfies a little bit of everything. Also, its easy to sit here and say "theres gotta be a better offer than that!" when we have no idea what else is being offered/who is actively engaged in these conversations.

[queridiculo]

So Wizards go from refusing to include Beal in a Butler trade to making the parameter of the deal with the Hornets Bridges and Monk

This guy seems legit.

[GoBobs]

I still predict Kevin Love will be with the Hornets by the deadline.

sheesh I hope not!

I wouldn't trade Bridges for Beal. I'm just not sure Beal is enough of a difference maker to change our team outlook and Bridges could be better in a few years and still on a cheap contract.

And that's a perfectly reasonable approach but if you don't think Beal is enough of a difference maker, wouldn't that also mean that you would be in the "must trade Kemba" camp? If you don't think Beal/Kemba is the right core to build around, why wait and lose Kemba for nothing. Better off acquiring assets and trying to tear it completely down with Bridges. Just my view from the outside.

If we trade our young talent for somebody like Beal that will pretty much be our team with no way to improve. If we keep Miles we could have some cap flexibility in a few years while he is still good and cheap. Beal might also be good but won't be nearly as cheap.

Bridges plus Monk plus retaining our picks and whatever salary we have to match gives us a better future outlook then Beal. Plus Beal shooting like 33% from 3 this year is a part of Washington's problem.

[mikestar]

Miles and Monk - two of the true icons of jazz. That's too much for Beal.

[penbeast0]

Miles and Monk - two of the true icons of jazz. That's too much for Beal.

Think of it as Miles and Monk for BB.

[GutUNC]

sheesh I hope not!

I wouldn't trade Bridges for Beal. I'm just not sure Beal is enough of a difference maker to change our team outlook and Bridges could be better in a few years and still on a cheap contract.

And that's a perfectly reasonable approach but if you don't think Beal is enough of a difference maker, wouldn't that also mean that you would be in the "must trade Kemba" camp? If you don't think Beal/Kemba is the right core to build around, why wait and lose Kemba for nothing. Better off acquiring assets and trying to tear it completely down with Bridges. Just my view from the outside.

If we trade our young talent for somebody like Beal that will pretty much be our team with no way to improve. If we keep Miles we could have some cap flexibility in a few years while he is still good and cheap. Beal might also be good but won't be nearly as cheap.

Bridges plus Monk plus retaining our picks and whatever salary we have to match gives us a better future outlook then Beal. Plus Beal shooting like 33% from 3 this year is a part of Washington's problem.

Boy, I don't know. Beal is certainly a high quality lead guard. Bridges has been perfectly fine in his rookie season but I haven't anything that says he's a star in the making. And Monk to me just looks like a bench player. I'd rather build around the 25 year old All Star (and Kemba) then risk losing Kemba while I try to sell him on Bridges/Monk as his co-pilots.

[Shoe]

Beal is playing great right now. His 3P% has cratered yet he's even more efficient than his all-star season because his shooting % at the rim has skyrocketed. Only the biggest fantasy GM / prospect lovers would want to deal him for Monk and Bridges.

[basketballwacko2]

Rather give up future firsts as the Hornets are in win-now mode

I would consider Monk + Miles if Washington ate Batum and Cody Zeller or Biyombo and gave us Otto Porter as well but I doubt they do that

If you are trying to win now, your picks aren't valuable, sorry. Bridges+Monk+filler(s) sounds about right and Charlotte should do it if it's available.

Beal is an excellent player if Charlotte wants to win now they should give up those young players who need to develop to get a gun like Beal. Adding in an over paid declining long term contract like Batum only takes away the value of your youngsters like Bridges and Monk.

I'd offer Bridges, Monk, Zeller and MKG for Beal, Smith, Satoransky and Bryant. If Washington is gonna trade 3 or 4 for one they don't have the roster spots and would have to cut people so adding in Smith, Sato and Bryant would save the Wiz about $2.3 Million off their payroll and the corresponding tax. The Hornets could even kick in a couple of the 2nds they picked up over the summer.

[BeesWax]

Rather give up future firsts as the Hornets are in win-now mode

I would consider Monk + Miles if Washington ate Batum and Cody Zeller or Biyombo and gave us Otto Porter as well but I doubt they do that

If you are trying to win now, your picks aren't valuable, sorry. Bridges+Monk+filler(s) sounds about right and Charlotte should do it if it's available.

Beal is an excellent player if Charlotte wants to win now they should give up those young players who need to develop to get a gun like Beal. Adding in an over paid declining long term contract like Batum only takes away the value of your youngsters like Bridges and Monk.

I'd offer Bridges, Monk, Zeller and MKG for Beal, Smith, Satoransky and Bryant. If Washington is gonna trade 3 or 4 for one they don't have the roster spots and would have to cut people so adding in Smith, Sato and Bryant would save the Wiz about $2.3 Million off their payroll and the corresponding tax. The Hornets could even kick in a couple of the 2nds they picked up over the summer.

I think that deal makes us worse. Four contributors for 1 is not going to help us. I think moving the young guys for Beal may be the right move but losing MKG and Zeller doesn't make sense for a win now move. I don't think a move involving those two or Lamb makes enough sense to trade. They are the pieces they help cover and play off Beal to make it work.

[Illmatic12]

Miles and Monk - two of the true icons of jazz. That's too much for Beal.

Great reference.

I wonder if we can make it a 3-team trade with Miami to include Ellington..

[pcbothwel]

If you are trying to win now, your picks aren't valuable, sorry. Bridges+Monk+filler(s) sounds about right and Charlotte should do it if it's available.

Beal is an excellent player if Charlotte wants to win now they should give up those young players who need to develop to get a gun like Beal. Adding in an over paid declining long term contract like Batum only takes away the value of your youngsters like Bridges and Monk.

I'd offer Bridges, Monk, Zeller and MKG for Beal, Smith, Satoransky and Bryant. If Washington is gonna trade 3 or 4 for one they don't have the roster spots and would have to cut people so adding in Smith, Sato and Bryant would save the Wiz about $2.3 Million off their payroll and the corresponding tax. The Hornets could even kick in a couple of the 2nds they picked up over the summer.

I think that deal makes us worse. Four contributors for 1 is not going to help us. I think moving the young guys for Beal may be the right move but losing MKG and Zeller doesn't make sense for a win now move. I don't think a move involving those two or Lamb makes enough sense to trade. They are the pieces they help cover and play off Beal to make it work.

LOLOLOL. You are truly a homer if you think Monk is a contributor and Sato & Bryant arent.
Monk is one of the worst players in the NBA. While Sato & Bryant have been starting for wizards and winning games with Defense, efficient scoring, and hustle.

Beal for Lamb, Bridges, and Zeller is the proposal. An Oubre for protected pick swap seems to make a ton of sense too... Really dont care to move Beal now anyway.

[Duffman100]

Rather give up future firsts as the Hornets are in win-now mode

I would consider Monk + Miles if Washington ate Batum and Cody Zeller or Biyombo and gave us Otto Porter as well but I doubt they do that

So the Wizards should trade Beal AND Porter for Monk, MIles and eat a bunch of **** contracts?

Huh?

[Lost Angel]

yes Charlotte should def do Miles and Monk for Beal, they’ll have an amazing backcourt, two bonafide allstars, and maybe get off that treadmill.