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We "Don't" Want the Monk: The Malik Monk Thread

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Re: We Want the Monk: The Malik Monk Thread 

Post#1121 » by Robot Rock » Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:21 pm

yosemiteben wrote:It's not just that his shooting is inconsistent, it's that his shooting is really where all of his value is. Kemba could always handle the ball and bring intensity and was effective on D (most of the time). If Monk is not hitting, he really doesn't add anything and we're better off with someone else on the floor.


I enjoy the revisionist history here. People were dogging Kemba's defense all the time, saying he was too small and he couldn't overcome that with the defense he played.

I mean, I get it. MKG fans kind of want Monk to fail because he represents a long-term payoff they hoped their man would be.
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Re: We Want the Monk: The Malik Monk Thread 

Post#1122 » by yosemiteben » Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:26 pm

Robot Rock wrote:MKG fans kind of want Monk to fail because he represents a long-term payoff they hoped their man would be.

This is the **** dumbest statement.

There is not a single regular on this board that does not want us to be the best team we can be, or hopes that our prospects don't pan out.
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Re: We Want the Monk: The Malik Monk Thread 

Post#1123 » by predators » Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:14 pm

I think he can be a Lou Williams\Bulls Ben Gordon\Monta Ellis type player offensively. He's definitely looking like a guy that can be a heat check type player that can be up numbers on medium efficiency. Which I'm ok with honestly.

His length is always going to be an issue guarding twos, best you can hope is that he is in the right place. He's a lot smaller than of a lot guys he gets compared to like Jamal Crawford.
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Re: We Want the Monk: The Malik Monk Thread 

Post#1124 » by Eoghan » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:23 pm

yosemiteben wrote:The MKG comparison would make sense if Monk was an all around elite weapon on O and just struggled on D. A better comparison would be if MKG was only solid on D once every three games his first two years.

And I haven't really hated on Monk, but those are not comparable situations.

To add to this, MKG was literally the youngest player in his draft class, he's only 5 years older than Monk. Age plus high draft selection (no 2 overall) is going to buy a prospect a lot more leeway.
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Post#1125 » by 316Hornets » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:42 pm

Monk isn't even on MKGs level. At least MKG was always an elite defender. What is Monk elite or even above average at?
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Post#1126 » by JDR720 » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:46 pm

Monk is more comparable to young Kemba than MKG.
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Post#1127 » by 316Hornets » Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:05 pm

JDR720 wrote:Monk is more comparable to young Kemba than MKG.


Let's tell Phoenix that and send him there.
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Re: We Want the Monk: The Malik Monk Thread 

Post#1128 » by catch20two » Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:16 pm

Monk got some ways to go. The talent is the there but I want to see more defensive effort and intangibles without mentioning better shot selection if he ever plan to be anything more than a bench scorer. This coming from one of his biggest advocates if not the biggest on drafting him that year.

He has time tho. I think he’s ahead of where Lou Williams was at this point in his career. I’ve seen some decent passing ability from Monk too so that’s that.
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Re: We Want the Monk: The Malik Monk Thread 

Post#1129 » by euphorbus » Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:53 pm

catch20two wrote:Monk got some ways to go. The talent is the there but I want to see more defensive effort and intangibles without mentioning better shot selection if he ever plan to be anything more than a bench scorer. This coming from one of his biggest advocates if not the biggest on drafting him that year.

He has time tho. I think he’s ahead of where Lou Williams was at this point in his career. I’ve seen some decent passing ability from Monk too so that’s that.


Monk is already a better passer now than Lou Williams was in his 6th-man year with the Raptors. The stats bear this out: Lou had 2.9 assists per 36 minutes, and Malik has 3.7. A big difference is that Williams had Tyler Hansbrough setting screens for him right and left, and Monk has...an occasional pick by Bridges or Hernangomez.

Come to think of it, Williams got better during the season, especially after he dropped one of his two girlfriends. Hansbrough will be available again in mid-February. This team could use some screens, rebounds, and toughness going into the playoffs.
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Re: We Want the Monk: The Malik Monk Thread 

Post#1130 » by geraldwallace » Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:03 pm

You guys are ready to give up on Monk after two season but there are still people who think MKG will average 18ppg one day
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Re: We Want the Monk: The Malik Monk Thread 

Post#1131 » by yosemiteben » Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:28 pm

geraldwallace wrote:You guys are ready to give up on Monk after two season but there are still people who think MKG will average 18ppg one day

Pretty sure every part of this post is false.
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Re: We Want the Monk: The Malik Monk Thread 

Post#1132 » by GiggitySmalls » Sat Dec 1, 2018 4:37 am

2nd coach on 2 years, and not even 21...not worried. He will be Crawford, Lou Williams. He could actually have a higher ceiling given his untapped potential athletically.

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Post#1133 » by Q C » Sat Dec 1, 2018 12:10 pm

Not really sure what potential yall see in Monk at this point. His ball handling and athleticism are so sub par , especially for his size. He's so small and frail you'd expect him to at least be lightning quick but his drives are slow as molasses. He's got a decent vertical that he can't use at all because he's so wimpy any contact at all will prevent him from finishing, most of his drives end up with him in a heap on the floor while the other team plays 4 on 5.

If I remember correctly from his draft profile, scouts were highly skeptical of his shooting and mostly viewed his year at Kentucky as an anomaly given his 4 year high school and aau career he was merely an average shooter. This is probably why he fell in the draft and it's proving true 2 years in as his 3pt percentage is actually dropping from an already disappointing rookie year. Hes an average shooter taking shots way above his ability level and it shows in his percentages.

This year so far he's 96th out of 101 in defensive RPM among SGs. This is actually an improvement I guess over last year where he was 86 out of 88. Malik isn't just a bad defender, he's got a decent case for being the worst defensive player in the NBA over his tenure so far.

I hope he figures it out somehow but I just think it's really understated here or people just don't realize how awful this guy has actually been. He's not just a kid learning through some mistakes, there are deep fundamental core problems with how he is built and how he plays basketball. I think he is a bust in the worst kind of way, in that every other front office kind of already realized this stuff before the draft except Cho and he probably has 0 value at this point. There won't be buyers on his "potential" now just like there weren't on draft night



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Post#1134 » by SWedd523 » Sat Dec 1, 2018 2:01 pm

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Post#1135 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Sat Dec 1, 2018 2:08 pm

Eh, I'll agree that improving his handle would really help Monk's game overall. However I'm not sure where the athleticism stuff is coming from. He's demonstrated both quickness and leaping on court. The only thing he doesn't have is a ton of raw strength.
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Post#1136 » by Q C » Sat Dec 1, 2018 5:02 pm

I just clipped these 2 drives that I remember from our last couple games
I swear like 75% of his drives are pretty much clones of this, Korver and Brogdon have to practically slow down to cover him because his 1st step has no explosion, his vertical on drives has no explosion, and he ends up in a heap on the floor.

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Post#1137 » by 316Hornets » Sat Dec 1, 2018 5:18 pm

Q C wrote:I just clipped these 2 drives that I remember from our last couple games
I swear like 75% of his drives are pretty much clones of this, Korver and Brogdon have to practically slow down to cover him because his 1st step has no explosion, his vertical on drives has no explosion, and he ends up in a heap on the floor.

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His lack of strength is very telling as well. That's a difference between him and Kemba. Kemba has always been a guy with solid work ethic and conditioning, can't say the same about Monk based on what I'm seeing. He looks more like a young Lamb without the length.
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Re: We Want the Monk: The Malik Monk Thread 

Post#1138 » by Splitta » Sat Dec 1, 2018 8:30 pm

I am beginning to wonder if Monk will ever develop into a reliable NBA player. He does not seem to shoot well at all which is surprising since I saw him hit for 47 against the tarheels. I have to admit I did not watch him other than that tarheel game while at Kentucky. He is young but he does not seem to have a good grasp of the NBA game. I think JB is doing the right thing by giving him opportunities but sitting him when he performs poorly. Just not seeing much improvement so far.
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Post#1139 » by fatlever » Mon Dec 3, 2018 7:59 pm

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Re: We Want the Monk: The Malik Monk Thread 

Post#1140 » by catch20two » Mon Dec 3, 2018 8:29 pm

Splitta wrote:I am beginning to wonder if Monk will ever develop into a reliable NBA player. He does not seem to shoot well at all which is surprising since I saw him hit for 47 against the tarheels. I have to admit I did not watch him other than that tarheel game while at Kentucky. He is young but he does not seem to have a good grasp of the NBA game. I think JB is doing the right thing by giving him opportunities but sitting him when he performs poorly. Just not seeing much improvement so far.

Poor shot selection and lack of defensive effort/awareness are what hurt Monk as a player.

He’d be a lot more efficient if he picked his spots of when and where to shoot more wisely. Too often he unnecessarily attempt difficult contested shots just because he know he can make them occasionally,

As far as his defense I’m having a hard time pinpointing it because he’s athletic and quick so he should be able to move his feet and stay in front of his man but everyone blows by him like a bull to a matador with a cape including players that are much slower than him.
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