Political Roundtable Part XXIV

[Induveca]

Why do Repubs have such a hard on for AOC?

It's kinda similar to that kindergarten bully who teases the new girl but secretly has a huge crush on her.

Jwiz, my Caribbean compadre. Just curious did you live in Jamaica as a child? Not a setup, just curious if you see politics in the past 13 years or so in the US emulating our Caribbean style politics?

All identity stuff and empty promises to the poor. It’s my take just curious. Finger pointing, colored hats, a major focus on colors of parties to hammer home the gang like mentality (for those unfamiliar in most of the Caribbean and countries with higher illiteracy it’s “vote purple! Vote green!” Etc etc.

Then the hard focus on skin color, and empty promises as all sides are doing the exact same thing. Deciding which corporate sector to enrich with empty promises to the poor. And then of course the level of public education consistently decreasing at a rapid pace.

A little venting, but I’m not in this to apply labels. I think Democrats and Republicans both have good ideas. Divide and conquer is always a strategy, but it’s just so much more pronounced. I’d very much like to see Facebook and Twitter broken up. They’re little more than propaganda machines at this point.

[Jamaaliver]

So you're saying I should take down my AOC memorabilia wall?

I suspect part of your admiration is based on some level of...aesthetic appeal. Which I completely understand.


She's a lovely young lady.

[gtn130]

Why do Repubs have such a hard on for AOC?

It's kinda similar to that kindergarten bully who teases the new girl but secretly has a huge crush on her.

perhaps its the comparing of her election victory to the civil rights movement that ppl find insulting. She won an election against odds, good for her, not quite the same as fighting for people to be treated equally and not be judged based on their skin tone.

Again, we're supposed to give conservatives a pat on the back for nonsense like this. Keep up the good work daoneandonly! Really making some very solid well-informed good faith arguments my guy! I can see the 24/7 Fox News diet has done wonders on the brain!

Civil Discourse!

[JWizmentality]

Why do Repubs have such a hard on for AOC?

It's kinda similar to that kindergarten bully who teases the new girl but secretly has a huge crush on her.

Jwiz, my Caribbean compadre. Just curious did you live in Jamaica as a child? Not a setup, just curious if you see politics in the past 13 years or so in the US emulating our Caribbean style politics?

All identity stuff and empty promises to the poor. It’s my take just curious. Finger pointing, colored hats, a major focus on colors of parties to hammer home the gang like mentality (for those unfamiliar in most of the Caribbean and countries with higher illiteracy it’s “vote purple! Vote green!” Etc etc.

Then the hard focus on skin color, and empty promises as all sides are doing the exact same thing. Deciding which corporate sector to enrich with empty promises to the poor. And then of course the level of public education consistently decreasing at a rapid pace.

A little venting, but I’m not in this to apply labels. I think Democrats and Republicans both have good ideas. Divide and conquer is always a strategy, but it’s just so much more pronounced. I’d very much like to see Facebook and Twitter broken up. They’re little more than propaganda machines at this point.

Born and raised. Lived through the political violence of the late 80s and early 90s. Because of my father's position back home, I grew up meeting a lot of politicians and almost lost my life because of it too when the bodyguard of Edward Seaga was driving me home from school one day and a car pulled up beside us at a traffic light and fired several shots into the vehicle as I was in the back seat. I don't know how we weren't hit.

I know all too well about political tribalism and to be honest I never thought I'd see the day when it would be replicated here. I have a lot of cynicism when it comes to politicians. Being around them for so long I've become accustomed to the lies and double speak. I also know a con man when I see one, and Trump isn't even a good one. Which is why it befuddles me why you support him. I understand your gripe with the Clintons, and it's justified but Jesus.

I consider myself a progressive but honestly, I don't really support any individual of either party. Not even Obama. My hope is for the younger generation like AOC and Ihan Omar who haven't been corrupted to break through and lead this country.

Facebook and Twitter have certainly accelerated the decline and "Journalism" is dead. The only people doing true journalism now are the people at places like the Times and Post who don't get paid millions of dollars to go and be an empty head on T.V. People need to start picking up the newspaper again.

[closg00]

It's a long shot, but it's the only one that Manafort(and the other colluders) have. Manafort’s gambit is riding on a current Supreme Court case in-which a defendant is trying to avoid being prosecuted on state charges for similar fed charges. If Paulie can get pardoned and not face any prosecutions for state crimes, he’s home-free, but some legal scholars think it's a stretch.

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[JWizmentality]

So you're saying I should take down my AOC memorabilia wall?

I suspect part of your admiration is based on some level of...aesthetic appeal. Which I completely understand.


She's a lovely young lady.

She's certainly a beautiful young woman but I admire her mind and ideas before anything else.

[daoneandonly]

Why do Repubs have such a hard on for AOC?

It's kinda similar to that kindergarten bully who teases the new girl but secretly has a huge crush on her.

perhaps its the comparing of her election victory to the civil rights movement that ppl find insulting. She won an election against odds, good for her, not quite the same as fighting for people to be treated equally and not be judged based on their skin tone.

Again, we're supposed to give conservatives a pat on the back for nonsense like this. Keep up the good work daoneandonly! Really making some very solid well-informed good faith arguments my guy! I can see the 24/7 Fox News diet has done wonders on the brain!

Civil Discourse!

Or maybe you can listen to the video ehere she is speaking. Dont need to fact check audio

https://dailycaller.com/2018/11/30/ocasio-cortez-election-civil-rights/

"We went to the Moon, we electrified the nation, we established civil rights, we enfranchised the country. We dig deep and we did it. We did it when no one else thought that we could. That’s what we did when so many of us won in elections this year. That’s what so many of us did"

Yea she didn't say it

[closg00]

How do Republicans win elections? Cheating

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[Jamaaliver]

So you're saying I should take down my AOC memorabilia wall?

She's certainly a beautiful young woman but I admire her mind and ideas before anything else.

That's defnintely the first thing I noticed about her, as well.

[JWizmentality]

So you're saying I should take down my AOC memorabilia wall?

She's certainly a beautiful young woman but I admire her mind and ideas before anything else.

That's defnintely the first thing I noticed about her, as well.

Well too bad. She's mine. Git.

[Induveca]

Why do Repubs have such a hard on for AOC?

It's kinda similar to that kindergarten bully who teases the new girl but secretly has a huge crush on her.

Jwiz, my Caribbean compadre. Just curious did you live in Jamaica as a child? Not a setup, just curious if you see politics in the past 13 years or so in the US emulating our Caribbean style politics?

All identity stuff and empty promises to the poor. It’s my take just curious. Finger pointing, colored hats, a major focus on colors of parties to hammer home the gang like mentality (for those unfamiliar in most of the Caribbean and countries with higher illiteracy it’s “vote purple! Vote green!” Etc etc.

Then the hard focus on skin color, and empty promises as all sides are doing the exact same thing. Deciding which corporate sector to enrich with empty promises to the poor. And then of course the level of public education consistently decreasing at a rapid pace.

A little venting, but I’m not in this to apply labels. I think Democrats and Republicans both have good ideas. Divide and conquer is always a strategy, but it’s just so much more pronounced. I’d very much like to see Facebook and Twitter broken up. They’re little more than propaganda machines at this point.

Born and raised. Lived through the political violence of the late 80s and early 90s. Because of my father's position back home, I grew up meeting a lot of politicians and almost lost my life because of it too when the bodyguard of Edward Seaga was driving me home from school one day and a car pulled up beside us at a traffic light and fired several shots into the vehicle as I was in the back seat. I don't know how we weren't hit.

I know all too well about political tribalism and to be honest I never thought I'd see the day when it would be replicated here. I have a lot of cynicism when it comes to politicians. Being around them for so long I've become accustomed to the lies and double speak. I also know a con man when I see one, and Trump isn't even a good one. Which is why it befuddles me why you support him. I understand your gripe with the Clintons, and it's justified but Jesus.

I consider myself a progressive but honestly, I don't really support any individual of either party. Not even Obama. My hope is for the younger generation like AOC and Ihan Omar who haven't been corrupted to break through and lead this country.

Facebook and Twitter have certainly accelerated the decline and "Journalism" is dead. The only people doing true journalism now are the people at places like the Times and Post who don't get paid millions of dollars to go and be an empty head on T.V. People need to start picking up the newspaper again.

Agreed. It’s not so much I support “him”. But same reason I supported Pena Gomez in the DR vs Balaguer as a kid.

Sadly they crushed him in the media and ultimately poisoned him as he was too radical and wanted to upend the establishment. He was corrupt as hell too, just wanted to throw a cog in the wheel and see what happened.

Agreed on newspapers, but I hate the Post is now an extension of Silicon Valley tech. I worked for the Post as a kid for a year. It really was a pretty impartial place at the time.

I just hate the primary process. 9% of Americans essentially choose our two candidates. It’s a farce, and forces us to choose from two poor candidates election after election since Gore/Bush.

[Pointgod]

I think it’s fair to ask Republicans what it would take to stop supporting Trump. All I see is excuses instead of admitting mistakes.

[daoneandonly]

I think it’s fair to ask Republicans what it would take to stop supporting Trump. All I see is excuses instead of admitting mistakes.

Same with the Dems on everything. I provided proof AOC equated her win to the civil rights movement, and you, gtn, and j wiz suddenly disappear and ignore it

[gtn130]

I think it’s fair to ask Republicans what it would take to stop supporting Trump. All I see is excuses instead of admitting mistakes.

Nearly all of them will pretend they never supported him when the dust settles and he leaves office

[gtn130]

I think it’s fair to ask Republicans what it would take to stop supporting Trump. All I see is excuses instead of admitting mistakes.

Same with the Dems on everything. I provided proof AOC equated her win to the civil rights movement, and you, gtn, and j wiz suddenly disappear and ignore it

No, man, your entire position on that is just dumb and not worth the energy. Like you think you have some sick takedown but really people are just shaking their heads and muttering about how silly your position is as they keep scrolling.

[daoneandonly]

I think it’s fair to ask Republicans what it would take to stop supporting Trump. All I see is excuses instead of admitting mistakes.

Same with the Dems on everything. I provided proof AOC equated her win to the civil rights movement, and you, gtn, and j wiz suddenly disappear and ignore it

No, man, your entire position on that is just dumb and not worth the energy. Like you think you have some sick takedown but really people are just shaking their heads and muttering about how silly your position is as they keep scrolling.

Yea a simpleton proving 3 top notch progressives wrong, i get it. J wiz said aoc saying it is fake made up news and i proved otherwise. So yeah just dismiss it as hogwash because u were wrong

[JWizmentality]

Nowhere in her speech did she say what she did was as important as the civil right movement or the moon landing. She drew parallels to history. It's a moot point. So until you find me individuals like Elijah Cummings who actually lived and experienced that era, who were "offended" by what she said. Sit down and stop pretending you give two sh*ts about it. Some white guys at FoxNews and the freakin DailyCaller told you you should be upset at this. GTFO. Stick to your fetuses.

[pancakes3]

https://people.com/food/vegans-stops-people-from-saying-meat-related-expressions/

lol

[daoneandonly]

Nowhere in her speech did she say what she did was as important as the civil right movement or the moon landing. She drew parallels to history. It's a moot point. So until you find me individuals like Elijah Cummings who actually lived and experienced that era, who were "offended" by what she said. Sit down and stop pretending you give two sh*ts about it. Some white guys at FoxNews and the freakin DailyCaller told you you should be upset at this. GTFO. Stick to your fetuses.

Parallels and comparisons, same thing. They are nowhere near the same stratosphere. Winning an election in one of the rudest, most liberal states in the world pales in comparison to the struggles of the civil righrs movement.

If Trump or a Republican said it, you'd be crying in your cereal, but since a fellow progressive said it, its moot, hypocrisy at its finest.

And dont share fiction stories about being shot at unless u can prove it

[doclinkin]

Why do Repubs have such a hard on for AOC?

It's kinda similar to that kindergarten bully who teases the new girl but secretly has a huge crush on her.

perhaps its the comparing of her election victory to the civil rights movement that ppl find insulting. She won an election against odds, good for her, not quite the same as fighting for people to be treated equally and not be judged based on their skin tone.

How is this not a victory of the Civil Rights movement? It has taken a while but her point is sincere and significant. Take a look at the diversity of the incoming freshman class of the house: LINK HERE

Women, minorities, diverse faiths. This is absolutely a victory that has direct ties to the Civil Rights movement, and could never have happened but for those sacrifices. Here the struggle begins to bear fruit as our governing body absolutely should be representative of our national diversity. Unlike the opposite side of the aisle. The contrast with the Republican class is stark. All white (one Latino), mostly male. If Republicans have an argument that they represent all Americans why don't they attract proportional representation of representatives from these minority groups? Or is their primary argument exclusionary.

I think the thing that is most promising and hopeful from AOC is her argument that we should have proportional representation economically. That a working class woman with good ideas was able to swing an election to a victory despite starting out without a warchest or significant personal wealth. It raises the argument: how can we expect economic elites to properly represent or even understand struggling hourly wage workers? I think it opens a new argument that we have in general taken for granted, that power shall be distributed among the wealthy. But if Democracy stands for anything isn't it that every person should have an equal voice, even if they don't have big money to donate?