2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2)

[Bob8]

Seeing how the season is unfolding, after Doncic and JJJ, who were probably the tier1 for prospects, what would you guys do?

Take a fyler on high.rish high-reward players such as:
Young
Bagley
Ayton

Or go the safe route and pick high-floor low-ceiling players:
WCJ
SGA
Mikal Bridges

If I had 1 more year of tanking in mind, than Young, if not, SGA. I believe classic bigs are reasonably cheap in FA or through trade. But if I had to choose between those 3, than WCJ for sure, because he’s far the best defender.

[Young gun 6]

Seeing how the season is unfolding, after Doncic and JJJ, who were probably the tier1 for prospects, what would you guys do?

Take a fyler on high.rish high-reward players such as:
Young
Bagley
Ayton

Or go the safe route and pick high-floor low-ceiling players:
WCJ
SGA
Mikal Bridges

Ayton

WCJ/SGA
Young

Bagley
Bridges

[Foliohattu]

It's obviously over a really small sample size, but JJJ has one of the craziest BLK% to TRB% ratios ever for a big man. 7.6% BLK and 10.3% TRB is on some Manute Bol territory and suggests Jaren is quite often leaving his rebounding position to block shots, which is obviously fine because he's such a great shot blocker. But I think once he gains more experience, those rebounding numbers will go up quite significantly and blocks will come down a little bit.
Overall such a great prospect and player already.

[big-shot-ROB]

It's obviously over a really small sample size, but JJJ has one of the craziest BLK% to TRB% ratios ever for a big man. 7.6% BLK and 10.3% TRB is on some Manute Bol territory and suggests Jaren is quite often leaving his rebounding position to block shots, which is obviously fine because he's such a great shot blocker. But I think once he gains more experience, those rebounding numbers will go up quite significantly and blocks will come down a little bit.
Overall such a great prospect and player already.

I don't think that's the reason at all. He is a great shot-blocker, but needs to improve agression on the rebounds. But I don't think both are THAT strongly correlated.

[Bob8]

https://clutchpoints.com/nba-news-mavs-luka-doncic-hawks-trae-young-november-rookie-month-honors/

It looks to me that some Knicks fans weren't successful presenting Ayton as the best rookie after all.

[Foliohattu]

I don't think that's the reason at all. He is a great shot-blocker, but needs to improve agression on the rebounds. But I don't think both are THAT strongly correlated.

Yeah will take your word for it, only seen a couple of full games from him. Anyways those stats seemed super rare combination

[3toheadmelo]

Im not even an Ayton fan I think he plays soft for a dude his size and athletic ability, but E Balla dont waste time with Bob8 he is a stan of the highest order. Dude came to the Knicks board posting Luka highlights last week, and I heard he is on numerous team boards doing that.

yeah. he takes stanning to a new level

[guille_4]

At this point I think Marvin Bagley is underrated. Perhaps because players who were drafted after him have been very impressive.

Still, he's been very solid in limited minutes so far.

He's averaging 19.3p / 10.2r / 0.9a / 2.3b on 56% TS% and playing better defense than expected.

He hasn't had any huge games and isn't a great 3 point shooter, but he's a very intriguing prospect. He's definitely got a place in the league and should at least be a solid starter, and an allstar if he develops an outside shot (so far shooting 30.4% in 1 attempt per game).

[NYKHardKnock]

Knox has been looking much more confident and playing smooth. He’s young but I think he that one kid that one he grows and develops he’ll be a solid piece. No one should give up on him, he’s super skilled.

Mitchell Robinson is going to be DeAndre Jordan good.

[Mr B]

The voters must not watch Mavs games.

Read on Twitter

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[BlueSan]

Trae what on earth is with your decision making, it may do him some good not starting him infront of Lin and slowly but surely increase his minutes as he shows he is responsible with them?

Idk....

[Bob8]

Trae what on earth is with your decision making, it may do him some good not starting him infront of Lin and slowly but surely increase his minutes as he shows he is responsible with them?

Idk....

Pierce is playing him mostly against other team’s bench in last games. He puts him out after 5 minutes and back in in Q2.

[E-Balla]

Top 2 I voted in the poll are Ayton and SGA. SGA is really being underrated dude looks like a vet role player out there already.

I still wouldn't change my pre draft top 10 though. Haven't seen anything unexpected that's changed my opinions on any of the prospects besides maybe JJJ and I still wanna see more from him because he seems to have negatives I didn't expect.

[E-Balla]

It's obviously over a really small sample size, but JJJ has one of the craziest BLK% to TRB% ratios ever for a big man. 7.6% BLK and 10.3% TRB is on some Manute Bol territory and suggests Jaren is quite often leaving his rebounding position to block shots, which is obviously fine because he's such a great shot blocker. But I think once he gains more experience, those rebounding numbers will go up quite significantly and blocks will come down a little bit.
Overall such a great prospect and player already.

Got nothing on my boy Mitch.

9.4 blk%, 12.0 DRB%.

The voters must not watch Mavs games.

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I mean... They don't? That's well known at this point. They also gave Trae Young EC rookie of the month despite Sexton and Carter being way better last month. It's a reward given to the rookie with the most hype in the conference. Always has been, always will be. Same as how ROY is just "most hyped rookie" which is why Wiggins won a vast majority of the votes despite being ass.

[Bob8]

It's obviously over a really small sample size, but JJJ has one of the craziest BLK% to TRB% ratios ever for a big man. 7.6% BLK and 10.3% TRB is on some Manute Bol territory and suggests Jaren is quite often leaving his rebounding position to block shots, which is obviously fine because he's such a great shot blocker. But I think once he gains more experience, those rebounding numbers will go up quite significantly and blocks will come down a little bit.
Overall such a great prospect and player already.

Got nothing on my boy Mitch.

9.4 blk%, 12.0 DRB%.

The voters must not watch Mavs games.

Read on Twitter

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I mean... They don't? That's well known at this point. They also gave Trae Young EC rookie of the month despite Sexton and Carter being way better last month. It's a reward given to the rookie with the most hype in the conference. Always has been, always will be. Same as how ROY is just "most hyped rookie" which is why Wiggins won a vast majority of the votes despite being ass.

Like the poll in this thread. Hyped JJJ and Luka getting 119 votes, your choice Ayton and SGA 13 votes. It’s all about hype against reality = watching games and +/- net rating. More or less everybody in this thread is wrong and you’re right.

P.s. nice avatar, shows your love for Luka.

[E-Balla]

It's obviously over a really small sample size, but JJJ has one of the craziest BLK% to TRB% ratios ever for a big man. 7.6% BLK and 10.3% TRB is on some Manute Bol territory and suggests Jaren is quite often leaving his rebounding position to block shots, which is obviously fine because he's such a great shot blocker. But I think once he gains more experience, those rebounding numbers will go up quite significantly and blocks will come down a little bit.
Overall such a great prospect and player already.

Got nothing on my boy Mitch.

9.4 blk%, 12.0 DRB%.

The voters must not watch Mavs games.

Read on Twitter

?s=21

I mean... They don't? That's well known at this point. They also gave Trae Young EC rookie of the month despite Sexton and Carter being way better last month. It's a reward given to the rookie with the most hype in the conference. Always has been, always will be. Same as how ROY is just "most hyped rookie" which is why Wiggins won a vast majority of the votes despite being ass.

Like the poll in this thread. Hyped JJJ and Luka getting 119 votes, your choice Ayton and SGA 13 votes. It’s all about hype against reality = watching games and +/- net rating. More or less everybody in this thread is wrong and you’re right.

P.s. nice avatar, shows your love for Luka.

You act like I'm bitching over him winning. Just saying that they clearly don't watch games. Never have. Again Trae Young won EC rookie of the month. He's been the worst player in the league so far. It's 100% based on hype.

And the opinion of RealGM is usually nonsense too.

[gh123]

I mean sure (Please Use More Appropriate Word) blind hate for "dat white boi" is expected, but arguing that Ayton is better? yuck...

[Bob8]

Got nothing on my boy Mitch.

9.4 blk%, 12.0 DRB%.



I mean... They don't? That's well known at this point. They also gave Trae Young EC rookie of the month despite Sexton and Carter being way better last month. It's a reward given to the rookie with the most hype in the conference. Always has been, always will be. Same as how ROY is just "most hyped rookie" which is why Wiggins won a vast majority of the votes despite being ass.

Like the poll in this thread. Hyped JJJ and Luka getting 119 votes, your choice Ayton and SGA 13 votes. It’s all about hype against reality = watching games and +/- net rating. More or less everybody in this thread is wrong and you’re right.

P.s. nice avatar, shows your love for Luka.

You act like I'm bitching over him winning. Just saying that they clearly don't watch games. Never have. Again Trae Young won EC rookie of the month. He's been the worst player in the league so far. It's 100% based on hype.

And the opinion of RealGM is usually nonsense too.

RPM says that Sexton is the worst. http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/12

And who do you have in the east anyway? Trier?

Opinion of RealGm is nonsense? on the other hand we should rather listen to you? Maybe it’s time to go of your high horse.

[FlatearthZorro]

I mean sure (Please Use More Appropriate Word) blind hate for "dat white boi" is expected, but arguing that Ayton is better? yuck...

I still can't explain why you'd trade Doncic for Young.

Doncic is and will be a spectacular player. Kid's as skilled a 19-20 year old as there ever was.

[FlatearthZorro]

1. Jackson Jr.
2. Doncic
3. Ayton
4. Carter Jr.
5. Bamba

Doncic has easily been the best rookie so far, and it's not even close. He's the best player on the Mavs.