Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVII

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[WallStar]

The Knicks are the only team dumb enough to trade for Wall.

[Wiz99]

The Knicks are the only team dumb enough to trade for Wall.

Robert Sarver would like to have a word with you...

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I don't think acquiring a bunch of B or C-level assets does us much good ...I prefer one really good asset over a bunch of okay ones.

I'd rather trade for the highest possible pick in next years draft then settle for a couple of recent mid-1st rounders.

Keep in mind, Memphis would have taken a Beal for the 4th & Parsons in a heartbeat last year. That picked turned out to be Jaren Jackson Jr.

Dat, I dont disagree with you. The question is, How much do you value Lamb and Bridges? I think Bridges is clearly a top 10 prospect in the 2019 draft based on his projection last year. He has only increased that value in the Small sample size to date. ...I think the team actually performs the same if you replace Beal with Lamb.

...Beal, Oubre, Mahinmi to the Hornets for Lamb, Bridges, Monk, Zeller, Williams...plus maybe a pick is good value.... I would be open to sending them Green too....

We cut 3M in salary and gets us closer to below the tax.

Lamb is the better defender, but lets just call it even. Zeller + Bridges makes our Defense a LOT better.

First off, based on this year, or on their careers, we would be likely to perform much better with Lamb instead of Beal. So as to avoid arguing w/ Zards, I'll assume that we simply ask Lamb to go on playing the minutes he currently plays rather than adding 7+ minutes to bring him up to Beal's per-game load.

We get a little bit less scoring w/ Lamb than with Beal (not much: 2.85 points per 40 minutes) but with no loss in efficiency. & we get a huge gain in possessions -- I'd say it would net at @5.5 per 40 minutes (because of Lamb's extra rebounds, more steals, fewer TOs & fewer offensive possessions used by him). Even with Beal's better playmaking, there's a pretty big net gain.

OTOH, I have no interest in taking back Williams, which means that it's necessary to leave Mahinmi out of the trade as well in order to make it work. That also makes it a little less lopsided in our favor! I also have no interest whatever in Malik Monk; I don't know why he's part of this picture.

Obviously, given that I think Lamb is a more than adequate replacement for the $27m Brad Beal, if we add Oubre & they add Bridges & Zeller, it's obvious I'd call that a slam dunk for us. I would jump at it. The idea that they'd also give us a pick seems a little optimistic, but ...so much the better.

The only fly in the ointment is that Lamb is expiring this year & will receive a big pay raise in his next contract. There's a risk we couldn't keep him. I guess that would be a good arguing point for Charlotte adding a pick....

[pcbothwel]

I don't think acquiring a bunch of B or C-level assets does us much good ...I prefer one really good asset over a bunch of okay ones.

I'd rather trade for the highest possible pick in next years draft then settle for a couple of recent mid-1st rounders.

Keep in mind, Memphis would have taken a Beal for the 4th & Parsons in a heartbeat last year. That picked turned out to be Jaren Jackson Jr.

Dat, I dont disagree with you. The question is, How much do you value Lamb and Bridges? I think Bridges is clearly a top 10 prospect in the 2019 draft based on his projection last year. He has only increased that value in the Small sample size to date. ...I think the team actually performs the same if you replace Beal with Lamb.

...Beal, Oubre, Mahinmi to the Hornets for Lamb, Bridges, Monk, Zeller, Williams...plus maybe a pick is good value.... I would be open to sending them Green too....

We cut 3M in salary and gets us closer to below the tax.

Lamb is the better defender, but lets just call it even. Zeller + Bridges makes our Defense a LOT better.

First off, based on this year, or on their careers, we would be likely to perform much better with Lamb instead of Beal. So as to avoid arguing w/ Zards, I'll assume that we simply ask Lamb to go on playing the minutes he currently plays rather than adding 7+ minutes to bring him up to Beal's per-game load.

We get a little bit less scoring w/ Lamb than with Beal (not much: 2.85 points per 40 minutes) but with no loss in efficiency. & we get a huge gain in possessions -- I'd say it would net at @5.5 per 40 minutes (because of Lamb's extra rebounds, more steals, fewer TOs & fewer offensive possessions used by him). Even with Beal's better playmaking, there's a pretty big net gain.

OTOH, I have no interest in taking back Williams, which means that it's necessary to leave Mahinmi out of the trade as well in order to make it work. That also makes it a little less lopsided in our favor! I also have no interest whatever in Malik Monk; I don't know why he's part of this picture.

Obviously, given that I think Lamb is a more than adequate replacement for the $27m Brad Beal, if we add Oubre & they add Bridges & Zeller, it's obvious I'd call that a slam dunk for us. I would jump at it. The idea that they'd also give us a pick seems a little optimistic, but ...so much the better.

The only fly in the ointment is that Lamb is expiring this year & will receive a big pay raise in his next contract. There's a risk we couldn't keep him. I guess that would be a good arguing point for Charlotte adding a pick....

I think you are agreeing with me... but never sure with you

I want Lamb, Zeller, and Bridges for Beal... But I think an Oubre for pick swap helps the trade by:
1) giving them another piece/wing to take Bridges minutes
2) Helps our rebuild and open up minutes for Bridges

The Mahinmi for Monk & Williams portion was only included to help balance the roster and keep the Hornets out of the lux tax (Above trade adds 4.5M in salary when they are 3.4M under tax)...

I also think Lamb can be retained for what we thought we'd need to give Oubre (3 years in the 15M per range).
- It makes us a better team with more young player/assets
- We cut salary and get out of tax this and probably next year too
- We surround Wall and Otto with talented/hardworking/team first players. This leads to overall success, or at the very least, an atmosphere that best suits those two and their value should we continue the rebuild.

I think Wall & Lamb actually fit together even better than him and Beal. If we assume no real drop off, then we add Bridges & Zeller and I could see this team still making the 6-8 seed... thereby giving us something to cheer for / enjoy while also getting younger and deeper.

In the offseason, you resign Lamb & Bryant. I think Dwight opts out. He'll come back by the end of the season to show enough to get 5.5M from someone. I doubt he opts in with Zeller, Mahinmi, and Bryant on the roster, especially for only 5.5M.
- I also think Mahinmi could be traded straight up to team looking to cut some salary for potential FA's. I.E. Crabbe, Turner, Ryan Anderson, etc...

Wall
Lamb
Bridges
Otto
Zeller

Bench: Sato, Brown, Bryant, 2019 1st

Thats a team I can root for and plays good basketball while not sacrificing their future or being over the tax.

[DCZards]

First off, based on this year, or on their careers, we would be likely to perform much better with Lamb instead of Beal. So as to avoid arguing w/ Zards, I'll assume that we simply ask Lamb to go on playing the minutes he currently plays rather than adding 7+ minutes to bring him up to Beal's per-game load.

We get a little bit less scoring w/ Lamb than with Beal (not much: 2.85 points per 40 minutes) but with no loss in efficiency. & we get a huge gain in possessions -- I'd say it would net at @5.5 per 40 minutes (because of Lamb's extra rebounds, more steals, fewer TOs & fewer offensive possessions used by him). Even with Beal's better playmaking, there's a pretty big net gain.

OTOH, I have no interest in taking back Williams, which means that it's necessary to leave Mahinmi out of the trade as well in order to make it work. That also makes it a little less lopsided in our favor! I also have no interest whatever in Malik Monk; I don't know why he's part of this picture.

Obviously, given that I think Lamb is a more than adequate replacement for the $27m Brad Beal, if we add Oubre & they add Bridges & Zeller, it's obvious I'd call that a slam dunk for us. I would jump at it. The idea that they'd also give us a pick seems a little optimistic, but ...so much the better.

The only fly in the ointment is that Lamb is expiring this year & will receive a big pay raise in his next contract. There's a risk we couldn't keep him. I guess that would be a good arguing point for Charlotte adding a pick....

Actually, I'd be (mostly) alright with replacing Beal with Lamb. I was high on Lamb when he came out of Conn. and he finally seems to be living up to my expectations. I also agree with you in that I doubt that the Hornets would also include a pick with the proposed trade.

But I disagree with you on Monk. I like Monk. Kid is only 20 years old and has some decent upside. I'd want to include him in the trade.

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I've always viewed Bridges as a late lottery pick. He's looked ok thus far. I could see him starting in the league. Do I see him as a future all-star? No. Maybe there's a small chance he gets to that point but I'm not happy at all if he's the best player coming back in a deal.

Lamb & Zeller have little value to me. I'd rather have Monk even If I'm not a big fan. Lamb is good if were competing for wins now but I see little value in attempting to retool with just Wall OR Beal --- because that lowers our ceiling b/c we've lost an all-star without replacing one.

At this point I'm more interested in 2019 draft. I don't see Memphis parting with Jackson or Orlando parting with Bamba so I'd rather wait till after the lottery and trade Beal for the highest or best collection of picks we can get. That's the key, wait until after the lottery, there are always teams that prefer a known quantity over an unknown. I think it's very possible we could get a top 5 pick - if were patient.

Using the concept "all star" as a way to categorize players makes little sense to me. Bridges is playing 22 minutes a game. He's got a .596 TS% -- that's great for a rookie. I don't know how good he's going to be, but... he does have upside! He's a rookie, come on!

Perhaps the disconnect comes in your (but not only your) evaluation of Brad Beal. I don't think Brad has been as good as you (& others) do. Remember, please the phrase is "as good", not "good."

As to "top 5 pick if we're patient" -- we're not getting the #1-3 pick for Brad. Plus, here's an alphabetized list:

Dragon Bender
DeMarcus Cousins
Chris Dunn
Tyreke Evans
Dante Exum
DeAaron Fox
Aaron Gordon
Mario Hezonja
Josh Jackson
Wes Johnson
Alex Len
Kristaps Porzingis
Thomas Robinson
Ricky Rubio
Tristan Thompson
Jonas Valanciunas
Dion Waiters
Cody Zeller

These are the guys taken #4 & #5 from 2009-2017.

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First off, based on this year, or on their careers, we would be likely to perform much better with Lamb instead of Beal. So as to avoid arguing w/ Zards, I'll assume that we simply ask Lamb to go on playing the minutes he currently plays rather than adding 7+ minutes to bring him up to Beal's per-game load.

We get a little bit less scoring w/ Lamb than with Beal (not much: 2.85 points per 40 minutes) but with no loss in efficiency. & we get a huge gain in possessions -- I'd say it would net at @5.5 per 40 minutes (because of Lamb's extra rebounds, more steals, fewer TOs & fewer offensive possessions used by him). Even with Beal's better playmaking, there's a pretty big net gain.

OTOH, I have no interest in taking back Williams, which means that it's necessary to leave Mahinmi out of the trade as well in order to make it work. That also makes it a little less lopsided in our favor! I also have no interest whatever in Malik Monk; I don't know why he's part of this picture.

Obviously, given that I think Lamb is a more than adequate replacement for the $27m Brad Beal, if we add Oubre & they add Bridges & Zeller, it's obvious I'd call that a slam dunk for us. I would jump at it. The idea that they'd also give us a pick seems a little optimistic, but ...so much the better.

The only fly in the ointment is that Lamb is expiring this year & will receive a big pay raise in his next contract. There's a risk we couldn't keep him. I guess that would be a good arguing point for Charlotte adding a pick....

Actually, I'd be (mostly) alright with replacing Beal with Lamb. I was high on Lamb when he came out of Conn. and he finally seems to be living up to my expectations. I also agree with you in that I doubt that the Hornets would also include a pick with the proposed trade.

But I disagree with you on Monk. I like Monk. Kid is only 20 years old and has some decent upside. I'd want to include him in the trade.

I don't know much about Malik Monk -- all I did was look at what he's done in the league so far. Which is not much -- but... he's only played 1300 minutes, & I didn't realize that he's still only 20. I suppose the only real problem w/ him being in the deal, otherwise unchanged, is that we don't shed much salary. We'd have to cut Okaro White as well, to get down to 15 guys. NBD.

[Ruzious]

I've always viewed Bridges as a late lottery pick. He's looked ok thus far. I could see him starting in the league. Do I see him as a future all-star? No. Maybe there's a small chance he gets to that point but I'm not happy at all if he's the best player coming back in a deal.

Lamb & Zeller have little value to me. I'd rather have Monk even If I'm not a big fan. Lamb is good if were competing for wins now but I see little value in attempting to retool with just Wall OR Beal --- because that lowers our ceiling b/c we've lost an all-star without replacing one.

At this point I'm more interested in 2019 draft. I don't see Memphis parting with Jackson or Orlando parting with Bamba so I'd rather wait till after the lottery and trade Beal for the highest or best collection of picks we can get. That's the key, wait until after the lottery, there are always teams that prefer a known quantity over an unknown. I think it's very possible we could get a top 5 pick - if were patient.

Using the concept "all star" as a way to categorize players makes little sense to me. Bridges is playing 22 minutes a game. He's got a .596 TS% -- that's great for a rookie. I don't know how good he's going to be, but... he does have upside! He's a rookie, come on!

Perhaps the disconnect comes in your (but not only your) evaluation of Brad Beal. I don't think Brad has been as good as you (& others) do. Remember, please the phrase is "as good", not "good."

As to "top 5 pick if we're patient" -- we're not getting the #1-3 pick for Brad. Plus, here's an alphabetized list:

Dragon Bender
DeMarcus Cousins
Chris Dunn
Tyreke Evans
Dante Exum
DeAaron Fox
Aaron Gordon
Mario Hezonja
Josh Jackson
Wes Johnson
Alex Len
Kristaps Porzingis
Thomas Robinson
Ricky Rubio
Tristan Thompson
Jonas Valanciunas
Dion Waiters
Cody Zeller

These are the guys taken #4 & #5 from 2009-2017.

I agree with Dat on Bridges. He's a short PF, but the real problem is his lack of length. He could eventually develop into a 3, but he'll need to develop a better perimeter game than he showed in college. A lot of similarities between him and teammate MKG, but MKG is quicker on D, while Bridges is a better jump-shooter. Then again, most of the posters here are better jump shooters than MKG. Bridges is a solid player, but I don't think he has terrific potential. He's doing better than Mikal Bridges, but I'd take Mikal over Miles - because of that thing over your head I like to call ceiling.

[dangermouse]

Dat, I dont disagree with you. The question is, How much do you value Lamb and Bridges? I think Bridges is clearly a top 10 prospect in the 2019 draft based on his projection last year. He has only increased that value in the Small sample size to date. ...I think the team actually performs the same if you replace Beal with Lamb.

...Beal, Oubre, Mahinmi to the Hornets for Lamb, Bridges, Monk, Zeller, Williams...plus maybe a pick is good value.... I would be open to sending them Green too....

We cut 3M in salary and gets us closer to below the tax.

Lamb is the better defender, but lets just call it even. Zeller + Bridges makes our Defense a LOT better.

First off, based on this year, or on their careers, we would be likely to perform much better with Lamb instead of Beal. So as to avoid arguing w/ Zards, I'll assume that we simply ask Lamb to go on playing the minutes he currently plays rather than adding 7+ minutes to bring him up to Beal's per-game load.

We get a little bit less scoring w/ Lamb than with Beal (not much: 2.85 points per 40 minutes) but with no loss in efficiency. & we get a huge gain in possessions -- I'd say it would net at @5.5 per 40 minutes (because of Lamb's extra rebounds, more steals, fewer TOs & fewer offensive possessions used by him). Even with Beal's better playmaking, there's a pretty big net gain.

OTOH, I have no interest in taking back Williams, which means that it's necessary to leave Mahinmi out of the trade as well in order to make it work. That also makes it a little less lopsided in our favor! I also have no interest whatever in Malik Monk; I don't know why he's part of this picture.

Obviously, given that I think Lamb is a more than adequate replacement for the $27m Brad Beal, if we add Oubre & they add Bridges & Zeller, it's obvious I'd call that a slam dunk for us. I would jump at it. The idea that they'd also give us a pick seems a little optimistic, but ...so much the better.

The only fly in the ointment is that Lamb is expiring this year & will receive a big pay raise in his next contract. There's a risk we couldn't keep him. I guess that would be a good arguing point for Charlotte adding a pick....

I think you are agreeing with me... but never sure with you

I want Lamb, Zeller, and Bridges for Beal... But I think an Oubre for pick swap helps the trade by:
1) giving them another piece/wing to take Bridges minutes
2) Helps our rebuild and open up minutes for Bridges

The Mahinmi for Monk & Williams portion was only included to help balance the roster and keep the Hornets out of the lux tax (Above trade adds 4.5M in salary when they are 3.4M under tax)...

I also think Lamb can be retained for what we thought we'd need to give Oubre (3 years in the 15M per range).
- It makes us a better team with more young player/assets
- We cut salary and get out of tax this and probably next year too
- We surround Wall and Otto with talented/hardworking/team first players. This leads to overall success, or at the very least, an atmosphere that best suits those two and their value should we continue the rebuild.

I think Wall & Lamb actually fit together even better than him and Beal. If we assume no real drop off, then we add Bridges & Zeller and I could see this team still making the 6-8 seed... thereby giving us something to cheer for / enjoy while also getting younger and deeper.

In the offseason, you resign Lamb & Bryant. I think Dwight opts out. He'll come back by the end of the season to show enough to get 5.5M from someone. I doubt he opts in with Zeller, Mahinmi, and Bryant on the roster, especially for only 5.5M.
- I also think Mahinmi could be traded straight up to team looking to cut some salary for potential FA's. I.E. Crabbe, Turner, Ryan Anderson, etc...

Wall
Lamb
Bridges
Otto
Zeller

Bench: Sato, Brown, Bryant, 2019 1st

Thats a team I can root for and plays good basketball while not sacrificing their future or being over the tax.

I am firmly in the "trade Wall not Beal" camp, but this is one trade with a return that I think I could stomach.

[dangermouse]

Zeller & Bryant manning the C position would be nice until Howard gets healthy.

If we could add a pick from Charlotte, I'd then look at a Mahinmi + Pick cap dump.

[Ruzious]

With Houston likely in panic mode at 11-12 with an incredible backcourt of Harden, Paul, and Gordon - might as well see if you can take advantage... but that would include admitting the Wiz should be in rebuild mode - which they won't. But if the Wiz did admit it, Oubre and Green for Chriss, Clark, and a lotto protected 1st. Houston gets much needed depth at the forwards, and they're not even using Chriss and Clark. Despite their poor start, after GS - they can be the best team in the West. In a playoff matchup, I'd take them ahead of the Clippers and Nuggets - who are currently tied with the best record in the West.

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Just a disgustingly insufferable franchise. I wish them a championship drought approaching the Bullets.

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Just a disgustingly insufferable franchise. I wish them a championship drought approaching the Bullets.

That's a thought that unites even Wizards and Celtics fans.

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I think you are agreeing with me... but never sure with you

Me neither..., we could ask a third party?

I want Lamb, Zeller, and Bridges for Beal... But I think an Oubre for pick swap helps the trade...

I.e. their R1 pick -- likely a late lottery or just past lottery pick. IOW, about the same pick as Oubre cost us. Well, given that we can't/won't re-sign Oubre, this part of the trade is obviously a pure plus for us!

The Mahinmi for Monk & Williams portion was only included to help balance the roster and keep the Hornets out of the lux tax (Above trade adds 4.5M in salary when they are 3.4M under tax)...

Fair enough....

I also think Lamb can be retained for what we thought we'd need to give Oubre (3 years in the 15M per range).
- It makes us a better team with more young player/assets
- We cut salary and get out of tax this and probably next year too
- We surround Wall and Otto with talented/hardworking/team first players. This leads to overall success, or at the very least, an atmosphere that best suits those two and their value should we continue the rebuild.

...If we assume no real drop off, then we add Bridges & Zeller and I could see this team still making the 6-8 seed... thereby giving us something to cheer for / enjoy while also getting younger and deeper.

Oh, we are definitely a better team! But, I'm missing something.... How does this get us out of the tax this year?

We do cut $2.75m in your version (i.e. w/ mahinmi/monk/williams). What am I missing?

In the offseason, you resign Lamb & Bryant. I think Dwight opts out. He'll come back by the end of the season to show enough to get 5.5M from someone. I doubt he opts in with Zeller, Mahinmi, and Bryant on the roster, especially for only 5.5M.
- I also think Mahinmi could be traded straight up to team looking to cut some salary for potential FA's. I.E. Crabbe, Turner, Ryan Anderson, etc....

...Thats a team I can root for and ...not ...over the tax.

I thought Mahinmi had gone to Charlotte in the trade? We have Williams & Monk. Here too I don't see us as "not over the tax."

Next year Wall, Porter, Brown, Bryant cost us $70.5m. Lamb (at your $15m figure), Williams, Zeller, Monk & Bridges add $52.5m. We are at $123m+ for 9 guys. We'll have our own R1 pick &, I assume, Charlotte's, adding @5.5m.

Re-sign Satoransky, & we are over the tax with 12 guys.

[LyricalRico]

With Houston likely in panic mode at 11-12 with an incredible backcourt of Harden, Paul, and Gordon - might as well see if you can take advantage... but that would include admitting the Wiz should be in rebuild mode - which they won't. But if the Wiz did admit it, Oubre and Green for Chriss, Clark, and a lotto protected 1st. Houston gets much needed depth at the forwards, and they're not even using Chriss and Clark. Despite their poor start, after GS - they can be the best team in the West. In a playoff matchup, I'd take them ahead of the Clippers and Nuggets - who are currently tied with the best record in the West.

I tried looking at some Houston deals when the initial rumblings about them waiving Melo started coming out. The problem is their cap load is so top-heavy that it's hard to find any deals that aren't just shuffling bit players. But if they'd be willing to give up a pick for an incremental bench improvement, sign me up!

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...Oubre and Green for Chriss, Clark, and a lotto protected 1st. ....

Thing is... getting back a R1 pick for Oubre strikes me as very unlikely.

I could be wrong, but the way it looks to me is that if it's a given that we are not going to be able to re-sign Kelly Oubre, then anything we get for him that kicks the can down the road, anything at all, is a net gain for us.

That's obvious, right?

Now, I think we can assume that every other GM in the league understands this -- & also is aware of our guaranteed salaries going forward. Aware, that is, that we aren't going to be able to re-sign Oubre.

Hence, every other GM in the league knows that they don't have to give us much for Kelly Oubre. Not much at all.

Gary Clark & a R2 pick is a net gain. The undrafted Clark alone is a net gain. A R2 pick in 2023 is better than simply letting him walk for nothing.

The only other factor I can think of that would change this is competition among those GMs -- among those, that is, who want Oubre on their teams. That competition is the only thing that raises the price for Kelly above an absolute minimum. But, Kelly is in his 4th year in the league. He's played 5100 minutes & hasn't yet developed into a valuable player. So... I can't see any intense competition for him as likely.

Now, it's also true that GMs are a club & don't like to embarrass one another. So, there'd be some hand-waving in any deal so that it's not obvious that we just p#ssed away a R1 pick -- think back to the deal that moved Vesely for an example. Or the deal that moved Nicholson (i.e. a R1 pick for... nothing at all -- but it looked like we were getting something).

I hope I'm wrong....

[nate33]

...Oubre and Green for Chriss, Clark, and a lotto protected 1st. ....

Thing is... getting back a R1 pick for Oubre strikes me as very unlikely.

I could be wrong, but the way it looks to me is that if it's a given that we are not going to be able to re-sign Kelly Oubre, then anything we get for him that kicks the can down the road, anything at all, is a net gain for us.

That's obvious, right?

Now, I think we can assume that every other GM in the league understands this -- & also is aware of our guaranteed salaries going forward. Aware, that is, that we aren't going to be able to re-sign Oubre.

Hence, every other GM in the league knows that they don't have to give us much for Kelly Oubre. Not much at all.

Gary Clark & a R2 pick is a net gain. The undrafted Clark alone is a net gain. A R2 pick in 2023 is better than simply letting him walk for nothing.

The only other factor I can think of that would change this is competition among those GMs -- among those, that is, who want Oubre on their teams. That competition is the only thing that raises the price for Kelly above an absolute minimum. But, Kelly is in his 4th year in the league. He's played 5100 minutes & hasn't yet developed into a valuable player. So... I can't see any intense competition for him as likely.

Now, it's also true that GMs are a club & don't like to embarrass one another. So, there'd be some hand-waving in any deal so that it's not obvious that we just p#ssed away a R1 pick -- think back to the deal that moved Vesely for an example. Or the deal that moved Nicholson (i.e. a R1 pick for... nothing at all -- but it looked like we were getting something).

I hope I'm wrong....

EG won't trade Oubre for any type of future asset. He'll try and save money. If he trades Oubre, he'll try and attach Jason Smith to him and dump him on Sacramento so the Wizards get out of the luxtax.

[Ruzious]

...Oubre and Green for Chriss, Clark, and a lotto protected 1st. ....

Thing is... getting back a R1 pick for Oubre strikes me as very unlikely.

I could be wrong, but the way it looks to me is that if it's a given that we are not going to be able to re-sign Kelly Oubre, then anything we get for him that kicks the can down the road, anything at all, is a net gain for us.

That's obvious, right?

Now, I think we can assume that every other GM in the league understands this -- & also is aware of our guaranteed salaries going forward. Aware, that is, that we aren't going to be able to re-sign Oubre.

Hence, every other GM in the league knows that they don't have to give us much for Kelly Oubre. Not much at all.

Gary Clark & a R2 pick is a net gain. The undrafted Clark alone is a net gain. A R2 pick in 2023 is better than simply letting him walk for nothing.

The only other factor I can think of that would change this is competition among those GMs -- among those, that is, who want Oubre on their teams. That competition is the only thing that raises the price for Kelly above an absolute minimum. But, Kelly is in his 4th year in the league. He's played 5100 minutes & hasn't yet developed into a valuable player. So... I can't see any intense competition for him as likely.

Now, it's also true that GMs are a club & don't like to embarrass one another. So, there'd be some hand-waving in any deal so that it's not obvious that we just p#ssed away a R1 pick -- think back to the deal that moved Vesely for an example. Or the deal that moved Nicholson (i.e. a R1 pick for... nothing at all -- but it looked like we were getting something).

I hope I'm wrong....

You're wrong in your thinking process because you're not considering Houston's situation - even though I laid it out for you, AND because those other teams have their own situations to consider. The Wizards situation is just one in 30 situations.

You're also probably wrong in evaluating the Wiz situation. The Wiz most likely WANT to keep him in a mis-guided attempt to make a difference in the playoffs and in an attempt to save money next season by simply letting his contract expire.

[getrichordie]

I’ve been thinking about a trade and wanted to get some Wiz fans’ opinions.

The premise is this: Brooks is Grunfeld’s guy. He is married to him because he’s seen what he’s done in OKC. Grunfeld believes that the locker room is the issue and that’s what needs to be solved first before thinking about anything else. Grunfeld thinks a group of guys could rub some of that OKC magic off on his guys.

These are the guys Grunfeld will trade for (and reasons):

Adams (he’s a pro’s pro; good team player; “the ultimate glue guy”; locked up through 2020-21)

Roberson (if healthy next year, can contribute on defense, help young guys pick it up on D from sideline; at worst, you can use a $10.7m to pivot)

Ferguson (1st round pick last year; has been really solid on defense and still has upside; his length bothers a lot of shooters, has the right idea on offense, 3-pt shot just isn’t consistent; probably just needs to get stronger; also a good kid and the type to be a pro’s pro)

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We would get Beal + Mahinmi + Bryant l

We also send a Future FRP pick-swap (to throw a cherry on top).

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Takes?


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