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Post#1961 » by OrlandoNed » Tue Dec 4, 2018 3:18 pm

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OrlandoNed wrote:Why on earth would Dallas take Young when they had already taken DSJ, who they were pretty content with, in the previous draft?
Dallas would of simply taken Bamba in that scenario to fill their glaring hole at center.

All Orlando would have to do to beat the Dallas offer of a top 6ish protected 2019 first, is just throw in a dang 2nd round pick so no, we wouldn't have to add in 3 or 4 firsts to do so.
An offer of a less protected 2019 first (which would currently be at 16), the OKC pick, a 2019 2nd and a future 2nd would of blown the Mavs offer out of the water and still would of been more than a fair price to secure Orlando's future for the next decade plus.

Like I said, it's a miracle that a opportunity like that presented itself. How often can you count on 3 franchises (well, really 2. Ayton was also a logical choice for Pheonix) being dumb enough to pass on the best prospect in the draft?


They took Luka who is, for all intents and purposes, a point guard as well.

Atlanta wasn't trading out of the 3rd spot without being absolutely sure they were getting Trae, that's my point. If they trade with Orlando (or anyone else who isn't Dallas frankly) they can't assure that.

Plus there's the possibility that Dallas beyond just picking Young themselves decides to trade out of the 5th pick with someone like Bulls or Knicks who wants to jump ahead of the Magic (subsequently the Hawks) for Trae.

Beyond that... if Atlanta takes Luka at 3 with the intent to trade him to Orlando at 6 and then Dallas screws it up by getting Young off the board, the Hawks would just keep Luka.

See what I mean? There's no scenario where anyone behind Dallas could have gotten Luka Doncic.

Dallas wouldn't of held Young hostage if Orlando offered the package I mentioned. They would either have to pony up hard from their weak original offer to beat us or they would concede and just take Bamba.

Nobody below us was hot enough on Young to have bothered to move up if they knew 3, 4, 5 and 6 was locked in as ORL Doncic, MEM JJJ, DAL not Young (because DSJ), ATL Young. If anybody wanted Young they would of just waited for him to fall to them. At that point, the only guys to bother moving up for were JJJ and Bamba and there was zero chance that both Dallas and Memphis were walking away from the draft without at minimum one of those 2 bigs.
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Post#1962 » by IllMagic04 » Tue Dec 4, 2018 3:21 pm

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OrlandoNed wrote:Why on earth would Dallas take Young when they had already taken DSJ, who they were pretty content with, in the previous draft?
Dallas would of simply taken Bamba in that scenario to fill their glaring hole at center.

All Orlando would have to do to beat the Dallas offer of a top 6ish protected 2019 first, is just throw in a dang 2nd round pick so no, we wouldn't have to add in 3 or 4 firsts to do so.
An offer of a less protected 2019 first (which would currently be at 16), the OKC pick, a 2019 2nd and a future 2nd would of blown the Mavs offer out of the water and still would of been more than a fair price to secure Orlando's future for the next decade plus.

Like I said, it's a miracle that a opportunity like that presented itself. How often can you count on 3 franchises (well, really 2. Ayton was also a logical choice for Pheonix) being dumb enough to pass on the best prospect in the draft?


They took Luka who is, for all intents and purposes, a point guard as well.

Atlanta wasn't trading out of the 3rd spot without being absolutely sure they were getting Trae, that's my point. If they trade with Orlando (or anyone else who isn't Dallas frankly) they can't assure that.

Plus there's the possibility that Dallas beyond just picking Young themselves decides to trade out of the 5th pick with someone like Bulls or Knicks who wants to jump ahead of the Magic (subsequently the Hawks) for Trae.

Beyond that... if Atlanta takes Luka at 3 with the intent to trade him to Orlando at 6 and then Dallas screws it up by getting Young off the board, the Hawks would just keep Luka.

See what I mean? There's no scenario where anyone behind Dallas could have gotten Luka Doncic.


Your technically correct. Which is why I said before the draft when that Atl/Dal trade leaked that the right play was to call The Grizz and move to 4. Whatever is takes to move you do it. I would gladly take the corpse of Chandler Parsons of that's what it took. Then the pressure is on ATL with how much do they love Trae Young. If they love him then just take him at 3 and Doncic falls right in our hands at 4. If they just play it safe and take Doncic then we take Young. Leaving out of the draft without Trae or Luka was a absolute failure. Either one of those guys is exactly what we needed. When your talking about franchise players you do whatever it takes to get them.
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Post#1963 » by Blue_and_Whte » Tue Dec 4, 2018 3:32 pm

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OrlandoNed wrote:Why on earth would Dallas take Young when they had already taken DSJ, who they were pretty content with, in the previous draft?
Dallas would of simply taken Bamba in that scenario to fill their glaring hole at center.

All Orlando would have to do to beat the Dallas offer of a top 6ish protected 2019 first, is just throw in a dang 2nd round pick so no, we wouldn't have to add in 3 or 4 firsts to do so.
An offer of a less protected 2019 first (which would currently be at 16), the OKC pick, a 2019 2nd and a future 2nd would of blown the Mavs offer out of the water and still would of been more than a fair price to secure Orlando's future for the next decade plus.

Like I said, it's a miracle that a opportunity like that presented itself. How often can you count on 3 franchises (well, really 2. Ayton was also a logical choice for Pheonix) being dumb enough to pass on the best prospect in the draft?


They took Luka who is, for all intents and purposes, a point guard as well.

Atlanta wasn't trading out of the 3rd spot without being absolutely sure they were getting Trae, that's my point. If they trade with Orlando (or anyone else who isn't Dallas frankly) they can't assure that.

Plus there's the possibility that Dallas beyond just picking Young themselves decides to trade out of the 5th pick with someone like Bulls or Knicks who wants to jump ahead of the Magic (subsequently the Hawks) for Trae.

Beyond that... if Atlanta takes Luka at 3 with the intent to trade him to Orlando at 6 and then Dallas screws it up by getting Young off the board, the Hawks would just keep Luka.

See what I mean? There's no scenario where anyone behind Dallas could have gotten Luka Doncic.


Your technically correct. Which is why I said before the draft when that Atl/Dal trade leaked that the right play was to call The Grizz and move to 4. Whatever is takes to move you do it. I would gladly take the corpse of Chandler Parsons of that's what it took. Then the pressure is on ATL with how much do they love Trae Young. If they love him then just take him at 3 and Doncic falls right in our hands at 4. If they just play it safe and take Doncic then we take Young. Leaving out of the draft without Trae or Luka was a absolute failure. Either one of those guys is exactly what we needed. When your talking about franchise players you do whatever it takes to get them.
and they may have tried but overall I knew we w rent getting a franchise player standing pat at 6.
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Post#1964 » by basketballRob » Tue Dec 4, 2018 3:41 pm

Still don't think Young was worthy of a top 5 pick or maybe top 10. Jackson, Doncic, Carter Jr, Bagley, Ayton. The only transcending type superstar potential I see is Jackson and maybe Doncic.
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Post#1965 » by OrlandoNed » Tue Dec 4, 2018 3:46 pm

IllMagic04 wrote:
Knightro wrote:
OrlandoNed wrote:Why on earth would Dallas take Young when they had already taken DSJ, who they were pretty content with, in the previous draft?
Dallas would of simply taken Bamba in that scenario to fill their glaring hole at center.

All Orlando would have to do to beat the Dallas offer of a top 6ish protected 2019 first, is just throw in a dang 2nd round pick so no, we wouldn't have to add in 3 or 4 firsts to do so.
An offer of a less protected 2019 first (which would currently be at 16), the OKC pick, a 2019 2nd and a future 2nd would of blown the Mavs offer out of the water and still would of been more than a fair price to secure Orlando's future for the next decade plus.

Like I said, it's a miracle that a opportunity like that presented itself. How often can you count on 3 franchises (well, really 2. Ayton was also a logical choice for Pheonix) being dumb enough to pass on the best prospect in the draft?


They took Luka who is, for all intents and purposes, a point guard as well.

Atlanta wasn't trading out of the 3rd spot without being absolutely sure they were getting Trae, that's my point. If they trade with Orlando (or anyone else who isn't Dallas frankly) they can't assure that.

Plus there's the possibility that Dallas beyond just picking Young themselves decides to trade out of the 5th pick with someone like Bulls or Knicks who wants to jump ahead of the Magic (subsequently the Hawks) for Trae.

Beyond that... if Atlanta takes Luka at 3 with the intent to trade him to Orlando at 6 and then Dallas screws it up by getting Young off the board, the Hawks would just keep Luka.

See what I mean? There's no scenario where anyone behind Dallas could have gotten Luka Doncic.


Your technically correct. Which is why I said before the draft when that Atl/Dal trade leaked that the right play was to call The Grizz and move to 4. Whatever is takes to move you do it. I would gladly take the corpse of Chandler Parsons of that's what it took. Then the pressure is on ATL with how much do they love Trae Young. If they love him then just take him at 3 and Doncic falls right in our hands at 4. If they just play it safe and take Doncic then we take Young. Leaving out of the draft without Trae or Luka was a absolute failure. Either one of those guys is exactly what we needed. When your talking about franchise players you do whatever it takes to get them.

Lol, I keep forgetting about Memphis in all of these hypotheticals. You are very spot on, although the jury is still out on Young being a franchise savior.

Going to Memphis to jump into the middle of that Hawks/Mavs deal would of been the correct course of action instead of getting into a bidding war with Dallas. We needed to put the screws to Atlanta to force them to sweat the decision of Young or Doncic straight up instead of Young and a 2019 pick or Doncic. In that situation we still could of ended up with who we got anyway.

I agree, when the opportunity to grab your future superstar presents itself, you HAVE to make that move. There are 2 kinds of decision makers in the NBA, ballsy alphas like Cuban who aren't afraid to take the neccessary risks to get their franchise savior and spineless betas like Hammond who are perfectly content to loiter in mediocrity for years until they trip over theirs through sheer dumb luck.
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Post#1966 » by IllMagic04 » Tue Dec 4, 2018 3:49 pm

Blue_and_Whte wrote:
IllMagic04 wrote:
Knightro wrote:
They took Luka who is, for all intents and purposes, a point guard as well.

Atlanta wasn't trading out of the 3rd spot without being absolutely sure they were getting Trae, that's my point. If they trade with Orlando (or anyone else who isn't Dallas frankly) they can't assure that.

Plus there's the possibility that Dallas beyond just picking Young themselves decides to trade out of the 5th pick with someone like Bulls or Knicks who wants to jump ahead of the Magic (subsequently the Hawks) for Trae.

Beyond that... if Atlanta takes Luka at 3 with the intent to trade him to Orlando at 6 and then Dallas screws it up by getting Young off the board, the Hawks would just keep Luka.

See what I mean? There's no scenario where anyone behind Dallas could have gotten Luka Doncic.


Your technically correct. Which is why I said before the draft when that Atl/Dal trade leaked that the right play was to call The Grizz and move to 4. Whatever is takes to move you do it. I would gladly take the corpse of Chandler Parsons of that's what it took. Then the pressure is on ATL with how much do they love Trae Young. If they love him then just take him at 3 and Doncic falls right in our hands at 4. If they just play it safe and take Doncic then we take Young. Leaving out of the draft without Trae or Luka was a absolute failure. Either one of those guys is exactly what we needed. When your talking about franchise players you do whatever it takes to get them.
and they may have tried but overall I knew we w rent getting a franchise player standing pat at 6.


You think they tried? I don't. They havn't done anything but sit on their hands since being here. Would Memphis have turned down Evan, Simmons, #6 and the OKC pick for Parsons and #4? If they did I woulda added on a protected 19 pick. No way they turn that down when you also consider there's a good chance they still get JJJ at 6. What's more likely a FO that has done nothing but sit on their hands got ballsy and made a move like this and it was turned down? Or they were smacking high fives when they relised the long armed player was gonna be available?
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Post#1967 » by PrimeThyme » Tue Dec 4, 2018 4:01 pm

I’m happy with the Bamba pick, but like I felt on draft night, there will always be that part of me that wishes we attached multiple firsts to a deal and moved up for Doncic. He is and always has been a generational type talent imo. If our plan was to hire Clifford and compete for the playoffs this year anyways moving up for Doncic would have just made even more sense as he would have helped us win now and in the future and those future picks we would have given up wouldn’t have been as valuable.

Bamba will hopefully help in the future but that’s a long way away from happening imo and the best player on our team plays his position. I’m not regretting us drafting Bamba, but I’d be lying if I said it’s not going to bother me just a little seeing Doncic tear it up in Dallas knowing that he could have been ours.
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Post#1968 » by OrlandoNed » Tue Dec 4, 2018 4:12 pm

PrimeThyme wrote:I’m happy with the Bamba pick, but like I felt on draft night, there will always be that part of me that wishes we attached multiple firsts to a deal and moved up for Doncic. He is and always has been a generational type talent imo. If our plan was to hire Clifford and compete for the playoffs this year anyways moving up for Doncic would have just made even more sense as he would have helped us win now and in the future and those future picks we would have given up wouldn’t have been as valuable.

Bamba will hopefully help in the future but that’s a long way away from happening imo and the best player on our team plays his position. I’m not regretting us drafting Bamba, but I’d be lying if I said it’s not going to bother me just a little seeing Doncic tear it up in Dallas knowing that he could have been ours.

Dude, tell me about it. Felt the same way about Porzingis too.

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Post#1969 » by woosah » Tue Dec 4, 2018 4:14 pm

The FO hemhaw twins are not gonna be aggressive about anything. It annoys me in situations like the draft you all are discussing, but comforts me in the Wall conversation because i can't see them taking on a contract that large or dealing with a player like him.
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Post#1970 » by VFX » Tue Dec 4, 2018 4:22 pm

PrimeThyme wrote:I’m happy with the Bamba pick, but like I felt on draft night, there will always be that part of me that wishes we attached multiple firsts to a deal and moved up for Doncic. He is and always has been a generational type talent imo. If our plan was to hire Clifford and compete for the playoffs this year anyways moving up for Doncic would have just made even more sense as he would have helped us win now and in the future and those future picks we would have given up wouldn’t have been as valuable.

Bamba will hopefully help in the future but that’s a long way away from happening imo and the best player on our team plays his position. I’m not regretting us drafting Bamba, but I’d be lying if I said it’s not going to bother me just a little seeing Doncic tear it up in Dallas knowing that he could have been ours.


This is why I’m not as happy about the pick if Vuc sticks around for another 2-3 years. This organization has an identity crisis between timeframes, what they consider is a “competitive” roster and what “rebuilding” means.

I was fine with Bamba in a vacuum, but this FO has put themselves in a particularly bad situation IMO because of their moves or lack thereof come this deadline.

They are either

1. Going to get less for Vuc on a half a season expiring deal after he takes Orlando out of lottery range.

2. He’s going to walk after he doesn’t agree to a 1-2 year deal

3. They resign him for ridiculous money, and multiple seasons, to play 30+ mpg over the #6 pick in last year’s draft. While making Orlando competitive enough for a playoff appearance, but still not good enough to acquire real talent.

Pick your poison.
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Post#1971 » by IllMagic04 » Tue Dec 4, 2018 4:33 pm

OrlandoNed wrote:
IllMagic04 wrote:
Knightro wrote:
They took Luka who is, for all intents and purposes, a point guard as well.

Atlanta wasn't trading out of the 3rd spot without being absolutely sure they were getting Trae, that's my point. If they trade with Orlando (or anyone else who isn't Dallas frankly) they can't assure that.

Plus there's the possibility that Dallas beyond just picking Young themselves decides to trade out of the 5th pick with someone like Bulls or Knicks who wants to jump ahead of the Magic (subsequently the Hawks) for Trae.

Beyond that... if Atlanta takes Luka at 3 with the intent to trade him to Orlando at 6 and then Dallas screws it up by getting Young off the board, the Hawks would just keep Luka.

See what I mean? There's no scenario where anyone behind Dallas could have gotten Luka Doncic.


Your technically correct. Which is why I said before the draft when that Atl/Dal trade leaked that the right play was to call The Grizz and move to 4. Whatever is takes to move you do it. I would gladly take the corpse of Chandler Parsons of that's what it took. Then the pressure is on ATL with how much do they love Trae Young. If they love him then just take him at 3 and Doncic falls right in our hands at 4. If they just play it safe and take Doncic then we take Young. Leaving out of the draft without Trae or Luka was a absolute failure. Either one of those guys is exactly what we needed. When your talking about franchise players you do whatever it takes to get them.

Lol, I keep forgetting about Memphis in all of these hypotheticals. You are very spot on, although the jury is still out on Young being a franchise savior.

Going to Memphis to jump into the middle of that Hawks/Mavs deal would of been the correct course of action instead of getting into a bidding war with Dallas. We needed to put the screws to Atlanta to force them to sweat the decision of Young or Doncic straight up instead of Young and a 2019 pick or Doncic. In that situation we still could of ended up with who we got anyway.

I agree, when the opportunity to grab your future superstar presents itself, you HAVE to make that move. There are 2 kinds of decision makers in the NBA, ballsy alphas like Cuban who aren't afraid to take the neccessary risks to get their franchise savior and spineless betas like Hammond who are perfectly content to loiter in mediocrity for years until they trip over theirs through sheer dumb luck.


Exactly. And like I said, that trade leaked a day before the draft. Plenty of time to get your offer to Memphis ready. I woulda leaked that we were talking to Memphis too ( I said this before the draft too) . That way they are sweating their decision. It possible they still take Luka. Very possible but I'm not sure. Id roll the dice. The difference is I was high on Young. If you don't like Young then my trade makes no sense. You have to be willing to take Young at 4 .
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Post#1972 » by Knightro » Tue Dec 4, 2018 4:46 pm

To everyone suggesting that the Magic should/could have traded up to 4 with Memphis to throw a wrench in the Hawks/Mavs deal is also pretty much ignoring the possibility of Memphis valuing Jaren Jackson Jr. to the point where they simply didn't want to move down too.

JJJ has been awesome btw.

On top of that... the other thing that everyone is ignoring is that the Hawks/Mavericks deal WAS ENTIRELY PREDICATED ON TRAE BEING THERE AT 5. If Memphis had randomly taken Trae at 4 or if someone like Orlando had traded up to 4 to take Trae, the Hawks would have simply kept Doncic and that would have been the end of it.

It's really easy to say something COULD have happened without knowing the full details of how it ended up happening.
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Post#1973 » by IllMagic04 » Tue Dec 4, 2018 4:52 pm

MagicMatic wrote:
PrimeThyme wrote:I’m happy with the Bamba pick, but like I felt on draft night, there will always be that part of me that wishes we attached multiple firsts to a deal and moved up for Doncic. He is and always has been a generational type talent imo. If our plan was to hire Clifford and compete for the playoffs this year anyways moving up for Doncic would have just made even more sense as he would have helped us win now and in the future and those future picks we would have given up wouldn’t have been as valuable.

Bamba will hopefully help in the future but that’s a long way away from happening imo and the best player on our team plays his position. I’m not regretting us drafting Bamba, but I’d be lying if I said it’s not going to bother me just a little seeing Doncic tear it up in Dallas knowing that he could have been ours.


This is why I’m not as happy about the pick if Vuc sticks around for another 2-3 years. This organization has an identity crisis between timeframes, what they consider is a “competitive” roster and what “rebuilding” means.

I was fine with Bamba in a vacuum, but this FO has put themselves in a particularly bad situation IMO because of their moves or lack thereof come this deadline.

They are either

1. Going to get less for Vuc on a half a season expiring deal after he takes Orlando out of lottery range.

2. He’s going to walk after he doesn’t agree to a 1-2 year deal

3. They resign him for ridiculous money, and multiple seasons, to play 30+ mpg over the #6 pick in last year’s draft. While making Orlando competitive enough for a playoff appearance, but still not good enough to acquire real talent.

Pick your poison.


At this point I think we can rule out number 1. We are gonna shot for the playoffs so unless we completely fall off I think Vuc is here for the rest of the season. I agree Vuc not taking 2 year deal. (nor should he)I also don't see him walking for nothing. So that leaves number 3 which is exactly what I think will be the result.
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Post#1974 » by NotACat » Tue Dec 4, 2018 4:59 pm

Our only shot at Doncic was trading up with Sacramento, but that wasn't likely. I wanted SGA at 6, even if he was a reach. He's performing as well as I thought he would and I really didn't want Bamba because I just don't trust his touch near the basket, his agility, and I thought there would be better options for a C in the future.

So far, I still want SGA, but I'm feeling a little better about Bamba. His motor and touch are still bad, but his work ethic and willingness to be coached should help a lot. I'm more concerned about his endurance and stamina at this point
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Post#1975 » by IllMagic04 » Tue Dec 4, 2018 5:01 pm

Knightro wrote:To everyone suggesting that the Magic should/could have traded up to 4 with Memphis to throw a wrench in the Hawks/Mavs deal is also pretty much ignoring the possibility of Memphis valuing Jaren Jackson Jr. to the point where they simply didn't want to move down too.

JJJ has been awesome btw.

On top of that... the other thing that everyone is ignoring is that the Hawks/Mavericks deal WAS ENTIRELY PREDICATED ON TRAE BEING THERE AT 5. If Memphis had randomly taken Trae at 4 or if someone like Orlando had traded up to 4 to take Trae, the Hawks would have simply kept Doncic and that would have been the end of it.

It's really easy to say something COULD have happened without knowing the full details of how it ended up happening.


I didn't ignore it. Its very possible JJJ is still there at 6. Its possible they didn't want to move down.. but everyone has a price. JJJ has been very good I agree. I think Im gonna be wrong about him as I wasn;t high on him at all.

What Im saying is that predicated deal could be broken up if you either make the Grizz trade before the draft or leak it out the the deal is in the works. If ATL KNOWS the deal is broken up they will have to ponder if they would rather just take Young since its who they clearly like anyway. Either way we are good cause we walk out of the draft with Doncic or Young which is better then what ended up happening.
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Post#1976 » by VFX » Tue Dec 4, 2018 5:06 pm

IllMagic04 wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:
PrimeThyme wrote:I’m happy with the Bamba pick, but like I felt on draft night, there will always be that part of me that wishes we attached multiple firsts to a deal and moved up for Doncic. He is and always has been a generational type talent imo. If our plan was to hire Clifford and compete for the playoffs this year anyways moving up for Doncic would have just made even more sense as he would have helped us win now and in the future and those future picks we would have given up wouldn’t have been as valuable.

Bamba will hopefully help in the future but that’s a long way away from happening imo and the best player on our team plays his position. I’m not regretting us drafting Bamba, but I’d be lying if I said it’s not going to bother me just a little seeing Doncic tear it up in Dallas knowing that he could have been ours.


This is why I’m not as happy about the pick if Vuc sticks around for another 2-3 years. This organization has an identity crisis between timeframes, what they consider is a “competitive” roster and what “rebuilding” means.

I was fine with Bamba in a vacuum, but this FO has put themselves in a particularly bad situation IMO because of their moves or lack thereof come this deadline.

They are either

1. Going to get less for Vuc on a half a season expiring deal after he takes Orlando out of lottery range.

2. He’s going to walk after he doesn’t agree to a 1-2 year deal

3. They resign him for ridiculous money, and multiple seasons, to play 30+ mpg over the #6 pick in last year’s draft. While making Orlando competitive enough for a playoff appearance, but still not good enough to acquire real talent.

Pick your poison.


At this point I think we can rule out number 1. We are gonna shot for the playoffs so unless we completely fall off I think Vuc is here for the rest of the season. I agree Vuc not taking 2 year deal. (nor should he)I also don't see him walking for nothing. So that leaves number 3 which is exactly what I think will be the result.


I think it will be as well. Which means Bamba was the wrong pick. I was saying before the draft you don’t always go BPA for that reason. Once again, Orlando mismanages a young lottery pick and puts them in a difficult situation to succeed. It will continue to be the case with Vuc playing 30+mpg. Bamba currently plays the least minutes per game of the top 10 picks. Go figure.
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Post#1977 » by Skin » Tue Dec 4, 2018 5:14 pm

If we traded to #4 with Memphis, we would've taken Bamba there. lol.

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Post#1978 » by IllMagic04 » Tue Dec 4, 2018 5:17 pm

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This is why I’m not as happy about the pick if Vuc sticks around for another 2-3 years. This organization has an identity crisis between timeframes, what they consider is a “competitive” roster and what “rebuilding” means.

I was fine with Bamba in a vacuum, but this FO has put themselves in a particularly bad situation IMO because of their moves or lack thereof come this deadline.

They are either

1. Going to get less for Vuc on a half a season expiring deal after he takes Orlando out of lottery range.

2. He’s going to walk after he doesn’t agree to a 1-2 year deal

3. They resign him for ridiculous money, and multiple seasons, to play 30+ mpg over the #6 pick in last year’s draft. While making Orlando competitive enough for a playoff appearance, but still not good enough to acquire real talent.

Pick your poison.


At this point I think we can rule out number 1. We are gonna shot for the playoffs so unless we completely fall off I think Vuc is here for the rest of the season. I agree Vuc not taking 2 year deal. (nor should he)I also don't see him walking for nothing. So that leaves number 3 which is exactly what I think will be the result.


I think it will be as well. Which means Bamba was the wrong pick. I was saying before the draft you don’t always go BPA for that reason. Once again, Orlando mismanages a young lottery pick and puts them in a difficult situation to succeed. It will continue to be the case with Vuc playing 30+mpg. Bamba currently plays the least minutes per game of the top 10 picks. Go figure.


In their defense no one saw this Vuc coming. They probally didn;t have Vuc in the long term plans. If you don't use the benifit of hindsight in terms to Vuc blowing up who would you have drafted at 6 if not Bamba? To me Bamba had to be the pick at 6.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XIX: Rise of the BIG 

Post#1979 » by VFX » Tue Dec 4, 2018 5:34 pm

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At this point I think we can rule out number 1. We are gonna shot for the playoffs so unless we completely fall off I think Vuc is here for the rest of the season. I agree Vuc not taking 2 year deal. (nor should he)I also don't see him walking for nothing. So that leaves number 3 which is exactly what I think will be the result.


I think it will be as well. Which means Bamba was the wrong pick. I was saying before the draft you don’t always go BPA for that reason. Once again, Orlando mismanages a young lottery pick and puts them in a difficult situation to succeed. It will continue to be the case with Vuc playing 30+mpg. Bamba currently plays the least minutes per game of the top 10 picks. Go figure.


In their defense no one saw this Vuc coming. They probally didn;t have Vuc in the long term plans. If you don't use the benifit of hindsight in terms to Vuc blowing up who would you have drafted at 6 if not Bamba? To me Bamba had to be the pick at 6.


Their job is to factor that possibility into happening. Vuc is playing well in a contract year at the height of his prime? Shocking. They drafted Isaac the year prior with give or take the same profile and skill set. I don’t know, anyone that can actually stay on the court and get minutes on a roster that will barely make the playoffs.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XIX: Rise of the BIG 

Post#1980 » by OrlChamps2030 » Tue Dec 4, 2018 5:38 pm

Skin wrote:If we traded to #4 with Memphis, we would've taken Bamba there. lol.

That's the way WeHam rolls.


If they were going to stay with a big, Bamba over JJJ would have been a bad pick

Literally just valuing length over everything at that point :lol:

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