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Post#121 » by bwgood77 » Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:57 pm

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He really needs to work on not turning the ball over so much tho.


Yeah, 10 turnovers usually not good. Averaging more than 2/1 ast ratio, or was. Also was shooting 28.6% from 3 prior to going 0-4 last night. I posted his tankathon link that will always have cumulative #s above to follow...I believe on Sat the 24th around 10 pm.


Where are you getting 28.6%...? Before last night he was shooting 42% and is currently at 35%, not that shooting percentages 4 games into a season mean much.


I had found it here last time I checked...

http://www.tankathon.com/players/ja-morant

But now see that was after 2 games, when he was 2/7. He shot 6/12 in the next game, so I guess going into his 4th game he was around 42%, but after the last game is at 34.8%

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/temetrius-morant-1/gamelog/2019

I figured that % might not be indicative given his high FT% (and hadn't realized at the time it was only after 2 games).
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Re: 2019 Draft Discussion 

Post#122 » by darealjuice » Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:14 pm

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Yeah, 10 turnovers usually not good. Averaging more than 2/1 ast ratio, or was. Also was shooting 28.6% from 3 prior to going 0-4 last night. I posted his tankathon link that will always have cumulative #s above to follow...I believe on Sat the 24th around 10 pm.


Where are you getting 28.6%...? Before last night he was shooting 42% and is currently at 35%, not that shooting percentages 4 games into a season mean much.


I had found it here last time I checked...

http://www.tankathon.com/players/ja-morant

But now see that was after 2 games, when he was 2/7. He shot 6/12 in the next game, so I guess going into his 4th game he was around 42%, but after the last game is at 34.8%

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/temetrius-morant-1/gamelog/2019

I figured that % might not be indicative given his high FT% (and hadn't realized at the time it was only after 2 games).


Oh that makes sense. Seems like tankathon is a little slow to update, I noticed the same thing on hoop-math.com the other day though.

It'll be interesting to see how he improved as a shooter and defender this year. Dude is super athletic and gets to the paint so easily. Don't think he made a single jumper last night though lol.
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Post#123 » by No-Man » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:29 am

Morant can't jump off one and has 0 strength, I have a hard time seeing him been efficient at the next level esp with his weird pull-up and lack of consistency as a shooter, really plastic, agile, quick and fun to watch, nice feel for the game

He is a long-term project imo
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Post#125 » by TheLogician » Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:56 am

Five Freshmen Flying Under the Radar

Luguentz Dort, Arizona State
Jaxson Hayes, Texas
Talen Horton-Tucker, Iowa State
Ignas Brazdeikis, Michigan
A.J. Lawson, South Carolina

https://www.si.com/nba/2018/11/27/nba-draft-2019-luguentz-dort-jaxson-hayes-ignas-brazdeikis-texas-michigan
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Post#126 » by Blonde » Wed Dec 5, 2018 4:04 am

It's barely December and I already have to get back into draft prep mode. It's the only thing that keeps the seasons interesting anymore, but I was hoping I wouldn't have to think about it until March. Zion or RJ would be incredible here. Feels like a 2 man draft to me but someone will always rise up. I'm not high on Reddish's fit for this team because from what I've read he's fairly low energy and not a leader. We don't need any more of those players. De'Andre Hunter is a guy I really like and would have easily taken him at 16 if he declared last year but I can't quite peg where he falls in this class. I'd probably take him around 10.
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Post#127 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Dec 5, 2018 4:30 am

Blonde wrote:It's barely December and I already have to get back into draft prep mode. It's the only thing that keeps the seasons interesting anymore, but I was hoping I wouldn't have to think about it until March. Zion or RJ would be incredible here. Feels like a 2 man draft to me but someone will always rise up. I'm not high on Reddish's fit for this team because from what I've read he's fairly low energy and not a leader. We don't need any more of those players. De'Andre Hunter is a guy I really like and would have easily taken him at 16 if he declared last year but I can't quite peg where he falls in this class. I'd probably take him around 10.


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Post#128 » by bwgood77 » Wed Dec 5, 2018 5:24 pm

Maybe if we end up like 4th or lower we should just go with Bol Bol. Blocks tons of shots (3.4 per 36), and I didn't even know he could hit the 3. He's hitting 50% of his 3s (3.1 shots per 36), 11.5 reb per 36.

Just play him and Ayton around 28 per game each with maybe 8 minutes together. Or if he's raw we have Holmes.

http://www.tankathon.com/players/bol-bol
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Post#129 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Wed Dec 5, 2018 5:41 pm

bwgood77 wrote:Maybe if we end up like 4th or lower we should just go with Bol Bol. Blocks tons of shots (3.4 per 36), and I didn't even know he could hit the 3. He's hitting 50% of his 3s (3.1 shots per 36), 11.5 reb per 36.

Just play him and Ayton around 28 per game each with maybe 8 minutes together. Or if he's raw we have Holmes.

http://www.tankathon.com/players/bol-bol


Like father, like son! :lol:

Seriously, if we're at #4, trade down for Brandon Clarke.
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Post#130 » by Ghost of Kleine » Wed Dec 5, 2018 6:42 pm

bwgood77 wrote:Maybe if we end up like 4th or lower we should just go with Bol Bol. Blocks tons of shots (3.4 per 36), and I didn't even know he could hit the 3. He's hitting 50% of his 3s (3.1 shots per 36), 11.5 reb per 36.

Just play him and Ayton around 28 per game each with maybe 8 minutes together. Or if he's raw we have Holmes.

http://www.tankathon.com/players/bol-bol


I totally agree with you Bgood!!!... :wink: :nod:

I think I remember mentioning him as a great option outside of the top 3 or 4 a few weeks back, Just loved his defensive abilities, mobility at 7'2.


And the fact that he has a developing offensive game, and is very good at hitting his threes.

That's why I'd really like to acquire an additional lotto pick somehow in mid to late lotto range.

Of course, my plan was to move Ayton to the 4 spot, and play him together with Bol at the 5 to try and negate some of Aytons' defensive inadequacies.

I just see him as another version of amare, albeit a lot softer, and not as ferocious in the post.

But all in all, pretty similar in that they are both loaded with athleticism and potential but both play in the mold of a point forward wherein they both prefer shooting and finesse moves around the hoop. Although, at least Amare would savagely dunk occasionally....

Both have the potential and talent to be defensive monsters as rim protectors, but choose not to.

I also just feel that since Ayton is somewhat soft and not aggressive naturally , That we need to give him any decided advantage that we can,


as in a size advantage by playing against power forwards, wherein he can use his size and mobility to match up better defensively.

Also allowing us to fill the center position with a more natural defensive player that blocks shots by their skill set.


In the draft, a player such as Bol added alongside Ayton, would create unbelievable mismatches with how good bol shoots the 3 etc. Also there's gafford, as well as Bruno Fernando, etc.

I do worry however that Bol Bol is already moving up the draft scale pretty fast, and will end up in the top 7 or so at the very least come draft time.

I mean, dreaming Big, I'd love to land Barrett or Reddish(probably Reddish, due to barrett's poor shooting percentages and high usage rates) to play alongside booker(If we keep point book).


I'd have either of them play at the shooting guard spot for yet another mismatch opportunity. And somehow swing a trade to nab Bol Bol to fill the 5 spot.


That would be an unbelievable draft and our core would be ridiculously talented from 1-5. Not incredibly likely to happen, but you never know...lol...


If we were at all very clever as a franchise , We could possibly walk out of this coming draft with a solid complete core of:

Point guard- Booker/ okobo/melton.

Shooting guard- Cam Reddish or R.J. Barrett/ free agent.

Small forward- T.J. Warren/ Mikhail Bridges/ Josh Jackson.

Power forward- DeAndre' Ayton/ Richaun Holmes/Free agent?(Taj Gibson)/ Maxi Kleber?

Center- Bol Bol/ Richaun Holmes/Brook Lopez?/ Nerlens Noel or Kyle O'quinn?
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Post#131 » by bwgood77 » Wed Dec 5, 2018 7:10 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:Maybe if we end up like 4th or lower we should just go with Bol Bol. Blocks tons of shots (3.4 per 36), and I didn't even know he could hit the 3. He's hitting 50% of his 3s (3.1 shots per 36), 11.5 reb per 36.

Just play him and Ayton around 28 per game each with maybe 8 minutes together. Or if he's raw we have Holmes.

http://www.tankathon.com/players/bol-bol


I totally agree with you Bgood!!!... :wink: :nod:

I think I remember mentioning him as a great option outside of the top 3 or 4 a few weeks back, Just loved his defensive abilities, mobility at 7'2.


And the fact that he has a developing offensive game, and is very good at hitting his threes.

That's why I'd really like to acquire an additional lotto pick somehow in mid to late lotto range.

Of course, my plan was to move Ayton to the 4 spot, and play him together with Bol at the 5 to try and negate some of Aytons' defensive inadequacies.

I just see him as another version of amare, albeit a lot softer, and not as ferocious in the post.

But all in all, pretty similar in that they are both loaded with athleticism and potential but both play in the mold of a point forward wherein they both prefer shooting and finesse moves around the hoop. Although, at least Amare would savagely dunk occasionally....

Both have the potential and talent to be defensive monsters as rim protectors, but choose not to.

I also just feel that since Ayton is somewhat soft and not aggressive naturally , That we need to give him any decided advantage that we can,


as in a size advantage by playing against power forwards, wherein he can use his size and mobility to match up better defensively.

Also allowing us to fill the center position with a more natural defensive player that blocks shots by their skill set.


In the draft, a player such as Bol added alongside Ayton, would create unbelievable mismatches with how good bol shoots the 3 etc. Also there's gafford, as well as Bruno Fernando, etc.

I do worry however that Bol Bol is already moving up the draft scale pretty fast, and will end up in the top 7 or so at the very least come draft time.

I mean, dreaming Big, I'd love to land Barrett or Reddish(probably Reddish, due to barrett's poor shooting percentages and high usage rates) to play alongside booker(If we keep point book).


I'd have either of them play at the shooting guard spot for yet another mismatch opportunity. And somehow swing a trade to nab Bol Bol to fill the 5 spot.


That would be an unbelievable draft and our core would be ridiculously talented from 1-5. Not incredibly likely to happen, but you never know...lol...


If we were at all very clever as a franchise , We could possibly walk out of this coming draft with a solid complete core of:

Point guard- Booker/ okobo/melton.

Shooting guard- Cam Reddish or R.J. Barrett/ free agent.

Small forward- T.J. Warren/ Mikhail Bridges/ Josh Jackson.

Power forward- DeAndre' Ayton/ Richaun Holmes/Free agent?(Taj Gibson)/ Maxi Kleber?

Center- Bol Bol/ Richaun Holmes/Brook Lopez?/ Nerlens Noel or Kyle O'quinn?


I wouldn't play them together a ton, but depending on whether teams were big and small we could match up, and on offense, Ayton could play more inside and Bol outside since he can hit the 3, and then on defense the other way around since Bol protects the rim and Ayton is pretty good at DFG% outside of 6 ft.
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Post#132 » by Ghost of Kleine » Wed Dec 5, 2018 7:12 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
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bwgood77 wrote:Maybe if we end up like 4th or lower we should just go with Bol Bol. Blocks tons of shots (3.4 per 36), and I didn't even know he could hit the 3. He's hitting 50% of his 3s (3.1 shots per 36), 11.5 reb per 36.

Just play him and Ayton around 28 per game each with maybe 8 minutes together. Or if he's raw we have Holmes.

http://www.tankathon.com/players/bol-bol


I totally agree with you Bgood!!!... :wink: :nod:

I think I remember mentioning him as a great option outside of the top 3 or 4 a few weeks back, Just loved his defensive abilities, mobility at 7'2.


And the fact that he has a developing offensive game, and is very good at hitting his threes.

That's why I'd really like to acquire an additional lotto pick somehow in mid to late lotto range.

Of course, my plan was to move Ayton to the 4 spot, and play him together with Bol at the 5 to try and negate some of Aytons' defensive inadequacies.

I just see him as another version of amare, albeit a lot softer, and not as ferocious in the post.

But all in all, pretty similar in that they are both loaded with athleticism and potential but both play in the mold of a point forward wherein they both prefer shooting and finesse moves around the hoop. Although, at least Amare would savagely dunk occasionally....

Both have the potential and talent to be defensive monsters as rim protectors, but choose not to.

I also just feel that since Ayton is somewhat soft and not aggressive naturally , That we need to give him any decided advantage that we can,


as in a size advantage by playing against power forwards, wherein he can use his size and mobility to match up better defensively.

Also allowing us to fill the center position with a more natural defensive player that blocks shots by their skill set.


In the draft, a player such as Bol added alongside Ayton, would create unbelievable mismatches with how good bol shoots the 3 etc. Also there's gafford, as well as Bruno Fernando, etc.

I do worry however that Bol Bol is already moving up the draft scale pretty fast, and will end up in the top 7 or so at the very least come draft time.

I mean, dreaming Big, I'd love to land Barrett or Reddish(probably Reddish, due to barrett's poor shooting percentages and high usage rates) to play alongside booker(If we keep point book).


I'd have either of them play at the shooting guard spot for yet another mismatch opportunity. And somehow swing a trade to nab Bol Bol to fill the 5 spot.


That would be an unbelievable draft and our core would be ridiculously talented from 1-5. Not incredibly likely to happen, but you never know...lol...


If we were at all very clever as a franchise , We could possibly walk out of this coming draft with a solid complete core of:

Point guard- Booker/ okobo/melton.

Shooting guard- Cam Reddish or R.J. Barrett/ free agent.

Small forward- T.J. Warren/ Mikhail Bridges/ Josh Jackson.

Power forward- DeAndre' Ayton/ Richaun Holmes/Free agent?(Taj Gibson)/ Maxi Kleber?

Center- Bol Bol/ Richaun Holmes/Brook Lopez?/ Nerlens Noel or Kyle O'quinn?


I wouldn't play them together a ton, but depending on whether teams were big and small we could match up, and on offense, Ayton could play more inside and Bol outside since he can hit the 3, and then on defense the other way around since Bol protects the rim and Ayton is pretty good at DFG% outside of 6 ft.


Exactly, I totally agree.... :nod:
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Post#133 » by bigfoot » Thu Dec 6, 2018 12:40 am

Please God, let the Suns trade away our 2019 draft picks for some veteran players. :pray: :pray:
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Post#134 » by Preacherpj » Thu Dec 6, 2018 2:55 am

bigfoot wrote:Please God, let the Suns trade away our 2019 draft picks for some veteran players. :pray: :pray:


Yes please.

Enough lottery tickets. This organization struggles mightily in drafting and developing high picks.

I’m still onboard with an unprotected first + for Beal.
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Post#135 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu Dec 6, 2018 3:28 am

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bigfoot wrote:Please God, let the Suns trade away our 2019 draft picks for some veteran players. :pray: :pray:


Yes please.

Enough lottery tickets. This organization struggles mightily in drafting and developing high picks.

I’m still onboard with an unprotected first + for Beal.



Ok, I definitely hear what your saying about needing to acquire more veteran players, And I agree with that, after we add this one top 5 player!

I say this using the logic, that the chances of us competing for a playoff spot, or even being competitive this season(short of somehow getting Lebron, Anthony Davis, or Giannis or pretty slim). So if we can get Beal for a package of what we currently have per assets, then sure, let's absolutely do it!!!..


.But if we can't, then let's address the roster issues through free agency without sacrificing an extremely valuable lotto pick on a trade, just to bring average veterans back.


With respect to that, What ideas in the way of trades, do either of you or Bigfoot have specifically, on who we should target in free agency.

And rather than blow a potential top 3 pick this year, that could land us a Zion Williamson, R.J. Barrett, or a Cam Reddish in a trade,


I'm fine with attaching Jackson(like his potential, but we have bridges), bridges, Melton, or any reasonable amount of future unprotected firsts, expirings, or picks acquired by trade for a player such as Beal.

However, I'm not sure that Washington would accept what assets we have so easily, as they have been setting pretty high expectations on the trade board.... :(

So with that being said, with our current assets, withholding Booker, Ayton, and perhaps Warren and or bridges.....who do we realistically target given our current cap space and roster needs?
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Post#136 » by bwgood77 » Thu Dec 6, 2018 3:38 am

Of course it depends on who you can get. I keep the pick not knowing who it's for. But there isn't anyone out there I think on the trade block it's worth trading for. It's not like anyone would vault us into contention. We need some internal growth from some of the players we have and to sign some nice young hungry players with our FA money and make a nice draft pick.
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Post#137 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu Dec 6, 2018 3:39 am

bigfoot wrote:Please God, let the Suns trade away our 2019 draft picks for some veteran players. :pray: :pray:


I want and expect us to get a lot more veteran depth to make our team better as well, Just not at the expense of a potential top 3 pick this year.

I'd like to see us use our cap space and expirings, along with future picks to fill veteran depth through trades and free agency if possible, unless another team is actually willing to send back a marquee talent in exchange for said lottery pick.


As it's very valuable contractually as it's rookie scale priced, this not affecting our cap much at all, plus we maintain control for close to 8 years...

Finally, I feel that the bigger problem we have that needs addressing, is the management issues that are directly affecting our team's culture and ability to attract premier free agents, etc.

We can easily fill our team with quality veterans who will add much needed depth and defense through free agency , that is if Sarver is only willing to spend, and not bring in any more washed up vets, or d league players and try to pass them off as our big offseason signing....fingers crossed
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Post#138 » by lilfishi22 » Thu Dec 6, 2018 3:51 am

bwgood77 wrote:Of course it depends on who you can get. I keep the pick not knowing who it's for. But there isn't anyone out there I think on the trade block it's worth trading for. It's not like anyone would vault us into contention. We need some internal growth from some of the players we have and to sign some nice young hungry players with our FA money and make a nice draft pick.

IMO Beal is worth a top 3 protected pick

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Post#139 » by bwgood77 » Thu Dec 6, 2018 3:57 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:Of course it depends on who you can get. I keep the pick not knowing who it's for. But there isn't anyone out there I think on the trade block it's worth trading for. It's not like anyone would vault us into contention. We need some internal growth from some of the players we have and to sign some nice young hungry players with our FA money and make a nice draft pick.

IMO Beal is worth a top 3 protected pick

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I don't think he's getting traded for that, but if that's all it took I'd probably do it. We'd have to match salaries and they'd probably want Bridges and Melton or something like that as part of it...maybe Ariza as the rest of the filler if that's enough.
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Post#140 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu Dec 6, 2018 4:06 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:Of course it depends on who you can get. I keep the pick not knowing who it's for. But there isn't anyone out there I think on the trade block it's worth trading for. It's not like anyone would vault us into contention. We need some internal growth from some of the players we have and to sign some nice young hungry players with our FA money and make a nice draft pick.

IMO Beal is worth a top 3 protected pick

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I mean if we could actually get Beal for say a package of a top 3 pick, Arizas' expiring, and maybe bridges and okobo.

Then yes, I'd definitely be open to that, but anything more than that, and I'd pass....not hard pass mind you....but softly and politely with a few times glancing back and sighing!!!....lol... :lol: :tooth
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