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How many Hawks Fans would NOT select Luka Doncic if he somehow fell to #3?

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Re: How many Hawks Fans would NOT select Luka Doncic if he somehow fell to #3? 

Post#281 » by atlantabbq99 » Wed Dec 5, 2018 12:21 am

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atlantabbq99 wrote:I think most here already know how I feel about Doncic and my outrage during draft night and that whole fiasco.

I'm still hoping Trae will prove me wrong.

However, after watching Doncic in the NBA now he does put up good and efficient numbers, but i have to admit his game is kind of boring and is really far from an elite passer for now. His ball handling is also not elite, he seems to take alot of shots over guys and not blowing by guys, his boring game kind of reminds me of Joe Johnson.


He played only one half as Pg, against Boston, when DSJ was out. He was great. Pgs in Dallas are DSJ, JJ and Brunson. He’s playing Pf, not exactly position to have great assists number. But he’s still second in his team and among rookies. Average handles, cannot blow anybody, slow, but still very good shooting numbers? Is maybe he elite shooter then? It must be something. Boring? You’re first one to say so. But it’s true, Dallas tries to win games not like some teams, who are in totally different business and I guess that means less mistakes and more boring plays. It’s funny that you favorite rookie is Ayton, who is the most boring rookie of them all.

I can agree with you, prime Joe Johnson looked like 19 years old Luka. Rookie Joe, was 7/3/2 guy. Maybe you should ask yourself, how some other rookies look in comparison to Nba past stars in their prime. ;)



I thought this was funny, i just saw this today...
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Re: How many Hawks Fans would NOT select Luka Doncic if he somehow fell to #3? 

Post#282 » by Bob8 » Wed Dec 5, 2018 8:07 am

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atlantabbq99 wrote:I think most here already know how I feel about Doncic and my outrage during draft night and that whole fiasco.

I'm still hoping Trae will prove me wrong.

However, after watching Doncic in the NBA now he does put up good and efficient numbers, but i have to admit his game is kind of boring and is really far from an elite passer for now. His ball handling is also not elite, he seems to take alot of shots over guys and not blowing by guys, his boring game kind of reminds me of Joe Johnson.


He played only one half as Pg, against Boston, when DSJ was out. He was great. Pgs in Dallas are DSJ, JJ and Brunson. He’s playing Pf, not exactly position to have great assists number. But he’s still second in his team and among rookies. Average handles, cannot blow anybody, slow, but still very good shooting numbers? Is maybe he elite shooter then? It must be something. Boring? You’re first one to say so. But it’s true, Dallas tries to win games not like some teams, who are in totally different business and I guess that means less mistakes and more boring plays. It’s funny that you favorite rookie is Ayton, who is the most boring rookie of them all. Incredible metamorphosis.

I can agree with you, prime Joe Johnson looked like 19 years old Luka. Rookie Joe, was 7/3/2 guy. Maybe you should ask yourself, how some other rookies look in comparison to Nba past stars in their prime. ;)



I thought this was funny, i just saw this today...
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1773716&start=20


The way he’s shooting, over 40% pull-ups 3, the comparison should be some shooter. I guess Harden comes first in mind. Shots he’s taking are Curry like though. Luka in Nba is totally different Luka than in Europe. In Europe he was pass first guy, here is iso shooter mostly. That’s because OF more spacing, different rules and the role he plays in Dallas. RC basically bought a playmaker and somehow change him in iso shooter overnight. Incredible metamorphosis.

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Re: How many Hawks Fans would NOT select Luka Doncic if he somehow fell to #3? 

Post#283 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Dec 5, 2018 1:24 pm

^Luka has been great thus far. I'm rooting for him to be good. The NBA needs it.

No caveats or additional context. I am happy for Luka fans and Mavs fans.
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Re: How many Hawks Fans would NOT select Luka Doncic if he somehow fell to #3? 

Post#284 » by hawkmanreturns » Wed Dec 5, 2018 3:00 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:^Luka has been great thus far. I'm rooting for him to be good. The NBA needs it.

No caveats or additional context. I am happy for Luka fans and Mavs fans.

That's nice and all, but you have to ask why an avid Luka fan is still posting here when Luka doesn't even play for the Hawks. I'm pretty sure Doncic is getting plenty of praise heaped on him in the Dallas Mavericks forum, and deservedly so. At what point does this officially become awkward? :-?
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Re: How many Hawks Fans would NOT select Luka Doncic if he somehow fell to #3? 

Post#285 » by Bob8 » Wed Dec 5, 2018 3:35 pm

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Jamaaliver wrote:^Luka has been great thus far. I'm rooting for him to be good. The NBA needs it.

No caveats or additional context. I am happy for Luka fans and Mavs fans.

That's nice and all, but you have to ask why an avid Luka fan is still posting here when Luka doesn't even play for the Hawks. I'm pretty sure Doncic is getting plenty of praise heaped on him in the Dallas Mavericks forum, and deservedly so. At what point does this officially become awkward? :-?


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Re: How many Hawks Fans would NOT select Luka Doncic if he somehow fell to #3? 

Post#287 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Dec 5, 2018 3:37 pm

To be fair...it's going to be an ongoing issue for a loooong time.

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Re: How many Hawks Fans would NOT select Luka Doncic if he somehow fell to #3? 

Post#288 » by benhillboy » Wed Dec 5, 2018 3:52 pm

The Luka vs Trae argument should be locked shut. Luka’s maximization of his size advantage puts him in another stratosphere from Trae and his coaching staff’s disability to offset his huge size disadvantage.

I hate the step-back three, most pure three point shooters don’t do it, it’s mostly the hot dogs like Harden. Steph has earned the right to throw the ball behind his head from three. But Luka got that thang down. He’s hit more than about 10 teams last I checked (I think the Hawks had 2). He creates so much space, it’s damn near a jump back.
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Re: How many Hawks Fans would NOT select Luka Doncic if he somehow fell to #3? 

Post#289 » by Atlanta Hawk Fan » Wed Dec 5, 2018 5:10 pm

I still LMAO at how many fans soured on Luka and predicted he would fail badly because he was too slow to be effective in the NBA. IMO, he was the #1 pick in the draft all year and never did anything to move away from that pedestal.

Still have hope that Trae + whoever is picked can equalize. That is very much within the realm of possibility - just a lot more variability for our end of the trade.
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Re: How many Hawks Fans would NOT select Luka Doncic if he somehow fell to #3? 

Post#290 » by jayu70 » Wed Dec 5, 2018 5:43 pm

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Jamaaliver wrote:^Luka has been great thus far. I'm rooting for him to be good. The NBA needs it.

No caveats or additional context. I am happy for Luka fans and Mavs fans.

That's nice and all, but you have to ask why an avid Luka fan is still posting here when Luka doesn't even play for the Hawks. I'm pretty sure Doncic is getting plenty of praise heaped on him in the Dallas Mavericks forum, and deservedly so. At what point does this officially become awkward? :-?

You mean 'Hawkward' :wink:
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Re: How many Hawks Fans would NOT select Luka Doncic if he somehow fell to #3? 

Post#291 » by macd-gm » Wed Dec 5, 2018 6:28 pm

There are plenty of rookie sensations who fall off and plenty of slow out the gate guys who get really, really good. It's 1.5 months in.
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Post#292 » by Spud2nique » Thu Dec 6, 2018 8:53 pm

macd-gm wrote:There are plenty of rookie sensations who fall off and plenty of slow out the gate guys who get really, really good. It's 1.5 months in.


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Post#293 » by Sothron » Thu Dec 6, 2018 8:58 pm

Doncic is proving me right with every game. Sadly, so is Young. Other than his passing Young has been a walking mason with all the bricks he puts down every night.
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Re: How many Hawks Fans would NOT select Luka Doncic if he somehow fell to #3? 

Post#294 » by macd-gm » Thu Dec 6, 2018 10:16 pm

Sothron wrote:Doncic is proving me right with every game. Sadly, so is Young. Other than his passing Young has been a walking mason with all the bricks he puts down every night.


I can't make excuses for the poor shooting but Mavs>>>>Hawks Carlisle>>>>>Pierce. These things are big deals.
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Re: How many Hawks Fans would NOT select Luka Doncic if he somehow fell to #3? 

Post#295 » by pssshhhrrr87 » Fri Dec 7, 2018 2:26 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:^Luka has been great thus far. I'm rooting for him to be good. The NBA needs it.

No caveats or additional context. I am happy for Luka fans and Mavs fans.


I'm happy with Trae, but passing on Luka just reminds me of trading Pau Gasol.
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Re: How many Hawks Fans would NOT select Luka Doncic if he somehow fell to #3? 

Post#296 » by macd-gm » Fri Dec 7, 2018 2:46 pm

Someone gets it.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/why-hawks-feel-rookie-trae-young-is-ahead-of-schedule-and-how-hes-measuring-up-to-luka-doncic/

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Rookie Power Rankings: Young drops to No. 7; Doncic remains No. 1
"He's actually further ahead that I thought he'd be at this point," Schlenk told CBS Sports.

There are two reasons to buy tickets on the Young express right now. First, he's a next-level passer. Entering Thursday, Young's 7.3 assists per game rank 10th league-wide, and as Schlenk points out, the Hawks don't exactly make a lot of shots. Plenty of Young's dimes go uncashed by the second-worst 3-point shooting team and the sixth-worst shooting team overall. Pocket passes. Cross-court flings with either hand. Pick and rolls. Lobs. The kid's got every dish in the cupboard.

Atlanta saw this coming. Both Schlenk and Atlanta coach Lloyd Pierce told me that as they went through their draft evaluations, they viewed Young's passing as his best asset. His teammates agree. "We appreciate his eyes," Taurean Prince told CBS Sports. "I don't know if people realize how good of a passer he is or not, but we appreciate it here. I can tell you that."

What the Hawks didn't see coming, and what probably nobody saw coming, was the ability Young has shown to finish shots at and near the rim despite his physical deficits. He's listed at 6-foot 2, he's not particularly athletic in terms of explosion or finishing power, and to call him skinny would be an understatement in an NBA locker room. But he's creative and super skilled. His pace, angles and handles gain him leverage, and he uses that leverage to keep defenders locked on his hip -- or in jail, in NBA parlance -- as he lofts in a variety of push shots and floaters at a 42-percent clip in the paint, a better mark than the likes of Kemba Walker, Jimmy Butler, Ben Simmons, Damian Lillard, John Wall and Russell Westbrook.

Young's efficiency dips as he gets closer to the rim -- 50.7 percent in the restricted area, a number that sits well below the marks of elite finishing point guards like Westbrook and Stephen Curry. But the kid is 20. Curry, though he was a better finisher than people realized from the jump, didn't become an elite finisher until well into his career. Entering Thursday, in fact, Young's 52.1-percent clip from five feet and in is the exact same mark Curry put up in his fourth season, when he was 24 years old. As he develops physically, Young is going to be a bigger and bigger problem finishing over, under and around the trees.

Young has been forced to do much of his damage on these types of shots not just because his 3-pointers aren't dropping, but because he's being guarded as if they are. "He's seeing a lot of things that aren't thrown at other guys until later in their career," Vince Carter, who is constantly in Young's ear, told CBS Sports.

It's true. Guys like Curry and Lillard got a grace period before they started getting blitzed off pick and rolls and double-teamed out to 30 and 35 feet, and even they didn't react perfectly to start. Who doesn't remember all those one-handed hook passes Curry used to throw away trying to pass over traps? As recently as last year's playoffs, Lillard was clearly affected by New Orleans' blitzing defense as the Blazers got swept in the first round. This is not easy. Young, on reputation alone, is getting a baptism by fire.

"I thought when I left college that would be the last time I would see [this type of defense]," Young joked after Atlanta's win in Miami on Nov. 27. "...It's crazy, I'm not even making shots right now."
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Re: How many Hawks Fans would NOT select Luka Doncic if he somehow fell to #3? 

Post#297 » by Spud2nique » Fri Dec 7, 2018 4:00 pm

We can’t fairly compare Trae and Luka yet because Luka plays with a roster that includes vets like:

Deandre Jordan
Harrison Barnes
Wes Matthews
JJ Barea
Dirk (to be fair hasn’t played yet but still)

And Trae plays with:

Baze (vet but still makes rookie moves)
Carter (old as dirt (dirk))
Lin (mainly replaces Trae doesn’t play with him)
Len (there’s a reason why he hasn’t blossomed as the 5th pick)
Dedmon (the only quality vet but he’s also a journeyman at best and is no Deandre Jordan).

Year 1 comparisons to be won’t count. Year 2 might still not be fair..year 3 is where I suspect we can compare the two fairly as far as impact and individual numbers are concerned. These discussions are something kg is familiar with, and that’s prematurity...
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Re: How many Hawks Fans would NOT select Luka Doncic if he somehow fell to #3? 

Post#298 » by atlantabbq99 » Sun Dec 9, 2018 4:08 am

A Doncic and John Collins duo would have been an amazing pair to watch for the next 10 seasons. It could have been as good as Bird/McHale :banghead:

Ontop of that we could have had an amazing slashing PG in Schroeder to go along with such a great young Forward duo. :noway:
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Post#299 » by Spud2nique » Sun Dec 9, 2018 2:51 pm

atlantabbq99 wrote:A Doncic and John Collins duo would have been an amazing pair to watch for the next 10 seasons. It could have been as good as Bird/McHale :banghead:

Ontop of that we could have had an amazing slashing PG in Schroeder to go along with such a great young Forward duo. :noway:


Trae and Collins will be great for years.
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Re: How many Hawks Fans would NOT select Luka Doncic if he somehow fell to #3? 

Post#300 » by atlantabbq99 » Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:02 am

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atlantabbq99 wrote:A Doncic and John Collins duo would have been an amazing pair to watch for the next 10 seasons. It could have been as good as Bird/McHale :banghead:

Ontop of that we could have had an amazing slashing PG in Schroeder to go along with such a great young Forward duo. :noway:


Trae and Collins will be great for years.



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