Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVII

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You can surely trade Porter for an expiring + some value right? Wall is likely going to be un-tradable so you build around Wall and Adams and let Porter bring back some guys who can play in between.

New Orleans is interested in Porter right? Sacramento is too. You could probably get some nice assets from Sacramento and save money.

So a second trade would look like something like this:

Koufos + Randolph + Bjelica + filler (Mason + Jackson?)

for

Otto Porter Jr. + filler (Satoransky?) + whichever picks

Wall/Rivers/Mason
Ferguson/Rivers
Oubre/Brown/Jackson
Morris/Bjelica/White
Adams/Howard

Here's the thing my friend... Peter Drucker is probably the greatest XXth century writer on business & related subjects -- & one of my personal favorites as well. The quotation in your signature is from his big book on Management.

If you don't know his autobiography, Adventures of a Bystander, I recommend it without reservation. Really... anything he wrote is worth the time to read. & he lived a long time & wrote a whole lot!

OTOH, these trades are miserable. Your revised team would be lucky to win 30 games (though starting Bjelica over Morris would help a little).

[dangermouse]

It helps you tank this year and get a better pick. You guys have your own pick right?

What if we take Bryant out of it altogether? You guys just get Ferguson.

I’ve seen a lot of teams fall in love with bigs like Bryant only to realize that the value of the big man in the NBA is on the decline and has been for sometime now. I could see Grunfeld wanting to join the wing development “movement.”

Which is why you want to send us a big (Adams) for a wing (Beal)?

You guys are going to have $151m in 11 players next year (Noel will opt out). I can see why you might be looking for something that would push you over the top this year.

Adams is a terrific player, but he's not the kind of big we'd be likely to target. Ferguson/Roberson are of no interest. Beal needs to bring us more future-oriented value than you can supply. Sorry.

Congratulations on picking up Hamidou Diallo after our wild swing on Issuf Sanon!

Fair enough. Can you give me an example of what kind of move Grunfeld should make?


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[JAR69]

The former WizKev reveals what he was teasing about.

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Well, if in addition to Ball & KCP the 3d player were Josh Hart (i.e. rather than Ingram -- as one of Kev's sources suggests is under discussion) I would regard this as an incredible deal for the Wizards, a deal beyond what I could have imagined possible.

In fact, I'll go so far as to say that it would be the best move of Ernie's long & dis(I mean ex)tinguished career as a GM. I might even forgive him some of his previous idiotic moves.

But... it's hard to believe it will happen, & I am not holding my breath.

Edit: If it did happen, this trade would provide a perfect basis for going on to trade Beal. Josh Hart is one of the best young players in the league. KCP is a more than adequate back up for the rest of the year. With the forward-going assets we'd be looking for from Beal, the Wizards would be well stocked for a pretty quick rebuild.

[pcbothwel]

Well, if in addition to Ball & KCP the 3d player were Josh Hart (i.e. rather than Ingram -- as one of Kev's sources says is under discussion) I would regard this as an incredible deal for the Wizards, a deal beyond what I could have imagined possible.

In fact, I'll go so far as to say that it would be the best move of Ernie's long & dis(I mean ex)tinguished career as a GM. I might even forgive him some of his previous idiotic moves.

But... it's hard to believe it will happen, & I am not holding my breath.

We play LAL on the 16th. I am worried we go 4-1 on the next 5, 3-2 at worst and put ourselves in the 8th seed with 2/3rds of the season yet to be played... Hell, our next 15 games look pretty sweet and we could easily win 9 of them, maybe 10. Hard to see us trading Wall then, no matter how smart it would be.
Then again, it appears we could easily go 3-7 in the 10 games after those 15... so we'd be .500 or under by the middle of January.

[Induveca]

Would love that trade, Nivek hooked me up with an intro many eons ago to a front office. His connections are as legit as they come.

Ball /Ingram / KCP sounds good to me (fan of Ingram, he’s just 21)

With Thomas Bryant we could march out 4/5 of the Lakers starters last year at some points. Ha.

[Ruzious]

Well, if in addition to Ball & KCP the 3d player were Josh Hart (i.e. rather than Ingram -- as one of Kev's sources says is under discussion) I would regard this as an incredible deal for the Wizards, a deal beyond what I could have imagined possible.

In fact, I'll go so far as to say that it would be the best move of Ernie's long & dis(I mean ex)tinguished career as a GM. I might even forgive him some of his previous idiotic moves.

But... it's hard to believe it will happen, & I am not holding my breath.

I'm a big Hart fan - have been since his second to last season at Villanova, but I think it's obvious that Ingram has more potential. And you should factor in that Ingram is 2 and a half years younger than Hart. Ingram has been a little disappointing this season, but there's a lot of potential left for him to reach.

[queridiculo]

I'd take Hart over Kuzma and both of them over Ingram.

Ingram forces a longterm decision about his future much sooner and he's also playing a position where there's no obvious need at the moment.

What I don't understand is how the Lakers expect to build a championship team around a core of Lebron, Wall after making that move.

They'd be left with around $19 million in raw cap space, and it would have to take a sign and trade for them to be able to add another max free agent.

[Ruzious]

Would love that trade, Nivek hooked me up with an intro many eons ago to a front office. His connections are as legit as they come.

Ball /Ingram / KCP sounds good to me (fan of Ingram, he’s just 21)

With Thomas Bryant we could march out 4/5 of the Lakers starters last year at some points. Ha.

Yup, and the trade would fit what Kevin said - he mentioned that it couldn't happen until 12/15, and KCP can't be traded until 12/15.

[youngWizzy]

That looks like a very good deal if true. I don't think its true nor will it happen even if true.

[queridiculo]

That looks like a very good deal if true. I don't think its true nor will it happen even if true.

Yeah, seems more like wishful thinking on behalf of the Paul/Lebron braintrust, a GM can't look at the outcome and think of this as a move that'll put them in championship contention.

The motives of that deal could be a whole lot more sinister though, what if the plan is the leverage Wall in a Anthony Davis trade when he starts rocking the boat in the offseason?

I'd hate to see John Wall get caught up in those shenanigans.

[pcbothwel]

I'd take Hart over Kuzma and both of them over Ingram.

Ingram forces a longterm decision about his future much sooner and he's also playing a position where there's no obvious need at the moment.

Agreed... Any prospect outside of Hart and Wagner, I look to trade immediately to a third team for a pick.

Ingram looks like he does nothing well. Physically Weak, below average shooter from everywhere, turnover prone, poor rebounder. I wouldnt be opposed to letting him play out the rest of the year, but I move him in the summer if he doesnt blow up in the last 50 games.


BTW... This ones for PIF as he loves breaking down trades/scenarios.
I thought... Well unless they have a 2nd trade for AD ready to go by the deadline, how do the Lakers and Lebron expect to find another star as Walls DPE salary takes up all the cap space and limits their ceiling?

So here is my thought on a trade that helps the Wiz, lets LAL keep more prospects, and puts them in a position to actually acquire for AD (Or someone else) this summer.
.... Trade Mahinmi with Wall...
Here me out

Assuming we get one of Ball or Ingram, the Lakers dont have the salary to make trades with Wall and Lebron taking up the cap.
So... Add Mahinmi to the package and let the Lakers keep their prospects.
Wall, Mahinmi, and Green for
KCP
1 of Ball or Rondo
1 of Beasley or Lance
Zubac and Svi
****** Id love to get Hart or Wagner too, but I wont be too picky
***************** I am aware this trade would need to be done in 2 parts, but it can be done financially

This allows LAL to maintain picks and prospects while getting Wall
Then this summer they can offer NOP some assortment of: Kuzma, Ingram, Ball, Hart, Draft picks along with Mahinmi's expiring contract for AD

[Illmatic12]

The former WizKev reveals what he was teasing about.

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Wow that's interesting . If the Wizards traded Wall , I think the Lakers would be a great destination for him.

[DCZards]

I'm a big Hart fan - have been since his second to last season at Villanova, but I think it's obvious that Ingram has more potential. And you should factor in that Ingram is 2 and a half years younger than Hart. Ingram has been a little disappointing this season, but there's a lot of potential left for him to reach.

Agree on both counts. Hart is the kind of player I’d love to see in a Wizards uni (plus he's a local kid), but I too believe that Ingram has the higher upside. On top of that, if you trade for Hart and keep Beal that would mean that Hart would most likely come off the bench. Ingram, on the other hand, could be plugged into SF next to Otto at PF.

Ingram’s numbers are down this season. But I think some of that has to do with him sharing the court with King James. Their games don’t mesh well.

It's a strange trade for the Lakers, however, given that Wall doesn't seem like the best fit next to Lebron. Wall needs the ball to excel (as does James) and Wall is a lousy jumpshooter...and James is at his best when he's surrounded by good or great perimeter shooters.

Though I have to give Wallstar props for his continued improvement as a three pt shooter.

[Pillendreher]

I hope that trade happens simply because I would enjoy all these Lakers fans having to take John Wall and his contract for the "youth" they have been praising for months.

[Eli Babak]

In my dreams...

#1 FIRE ERNIE...

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WAS in: Ball, KCP, Hart, McLemore, Labissiere, 2nd round pick(s)
WAS out: Wall, Green, Smith, Rivers, Oubre, cash

Ball/Satoransky
Beal/KCP/McLemore
Hart/Brown
Porter/Morris/Labissiere/White
Bryant/Mahinmi/Howard

Get:
- out of tax
- young prospects
- future pick(s)

Then hope Dwight opts out, Morris isn't re-signed (preferably traded before deadline) and nail your draft pick(s).
(I'd be fine with Ingram too but I think Lakers value him more.)

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LAL in: Wall, Green, Smith, cash
LAL out: Ball, KCP, Hart

Wall/Rondo/Bonga
Ingram/Stephenson/Mykhailiuk
LeBron/Beasley
Kuzma/Green/Wagner
McGee/Chandler/Zubac/Smith

Get:
- supers... all-star-level-player who hopefully plays better when he isn't the face of franchise
- LeBron's teammate from last year

They'd likely waive Smith so they can sign a ring chaser or a guy from China in March or something. I wouldn't do this as Lakers but let's have some fun.

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SAC in: Rivers, Oubre
SAC out: McLemore, Labissiere, 2nd round pick(s)

Fox/Mason/Ferrell
Hield/Bodganovic/Rivers
Shumpert/Oubre/Jackson
Bjelica/Bagley/Randolph
WCS/Koufos/Giles

Get early look and bird rights to Oubre. Cost? Pretty much nothing. McLemore is trash, Labissiere is still very raw and they have tons of 2nd round picks.

[Illmatic12]

I'm a big Hart fan - have been since his second to last season at Villanova, but I think it's obvious that Ingram has more potential. And you should factor in that Ingram is 2 and a half years younger than Hart. Ingram has been a little disappointing this season, but there's a lot of potential left for him to reach.

Agree on both counts. Hart is the kind of player I’d love to see in a Wizards uni (plus he's a local kid), but I too believe that Ingram has the higher upside. On top of that, if you trade for Hart and keep Beal that would mean that Hart would most likely come off the bench. Ingram, on the other hand, could be plugged into SF next to Otto at PF.

Ingram’s numbers are down this season. But I think some of that has to do with him sharing the court with King James. Their games don’t mesh well.

It's a strange trade for the Lakers, however, given that Wall doesn't seem like the best fit next to Lebron. Wall needs the ball to excel (as does James) and Wall is a lousy jumpshooter...and James is at his best when he's surrounded by good or great perimeter shooters.

Though I have to give Wallstar props for his continued improvement as a three pt shooter.

Lebron has said for a while now that he wants to play off the ball more. That was one of the reasons behind his friction in Cleveland, Kyrie Irving did not have playmaking skills which forced Lebron to bring the ball up and set the table every possession.

That gets tiring as you get older. Wall would get Lebron the ball in his spots and allow him to conserve energy.

As far as shooting, Wall has been a solid spot up shooter the past few seasons - his percentage is mainly dragged down by his errant pull up threes. He'll shoot around 35-38% playing with LBJ (which is still better than Lonzo, Ingram etc who he's stuck playing with now)

[Dat2U]

The former WizKev reveals what he was teasing about.

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Wow that's interesting . If the Wizards traded Wall , I think the Lakers would be a great destination for him.

At this point, blow it up. I hope it happens.

Then trade Beal & Porter for picks and #tankforZion

[pcbothwel]

The former WizKev reveals what he was teasing about.

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Wow that's interesting . If the Wizards traded Wall , I think the Lakers would be a great destination for him.

At this point, blow it up. I hope it happens.

Then trade Beal & Porter for picks and #tankforZion

I think you underrate how bad the Suns, Bulls, Hawks, and Cavs are....

I would simply bring in the Magic for a 3-way and send them Ball, Oubre, and Smith for Augustin, Martin, Frazier and top 10 protected 1st.

Out of the tax with the following:
Augustin / Rivers
Beal / KCP / Frazier
Sato / Green / Brown
Otto / Morris / Green
Bryant / Mahinmi / Dwight

We could then look to trade any of our expirings (River, KCP, Green, or Morris) to a contender for another asset.

We then rebuild around Beal & Otto with Sato, Brown, Bryant, and 2 2019 1st.
It also doesnt preclude us from a deeper rebuild in the summer or following deadline with Beal if we deem it necessary.

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Well, if in addition to Ball & KCP the 3d player were Josh Hart (i.e. rather than Ingram -- as one of Kev's sources says is under discussion) I would regard this as an incredible deal for the Wizards, a deal beyond what I could have imagined possible.

In fact, I'll go so far as to say that it would be the best move of Ernie's long & dis(I mean ex)tinguished career as a GM. I might even forgive him some of his previous idiotic moves.

But... it's hard to believe it will happen, & I am not holding my breath.

I'm a big Hart fan - have been since his second to last season at Villanova, but I think it's obvious that Ingram has more potential. And you should factor in that Ingram is 2 and a half years younger than Hart. Ingram has been a little disappointing this season, but there's a lot of potential left for him to reach.

Absolutely. But there's also a lot of potential for him not to reach. & there's a whole lot of "actual" in Hart as well. In fact, Ingram would have to realize a huge amount of his potential just to get near the level at which Josh Hart is playing right now.

Even Ingram's doing that is speculative. Ingram has already played almost 5000 NBA minutes. He did improve from year 1 to year 2, which is in his favor. But, his productivity this year has dropped back down to the neighborhood of his rookie year (scoring is better than as a rookie; but most everything else is worse).

Of course, he might do it. He might get to the level Josh Hart is at right now. As you point out, he's 2.5 years younger than Josh. For that matter, he might do more than that. But, he hasn't yet. I'll count those eggs when they hatch. If they do....

Plus, as a 2d year player who's played all of 2000 minutes & is already extremely good, Josh Hart also has a lot of potential to improve.

I hope Ingram becomes a tremendous player, but if I had to choose between him & Hart today, I would have no hesitation in taking Hart. YMMV. Lets hope we actually have a shot at one or another version of the trade!