ImageImageImageImageImage

The LeBron Thread (merged)

Moderators: TyCobb, Kilroy, Danny Darko

Lovethisgamegr
Bench Warmer
Posts: 1,283
And1: 957
Joined: Aug 24, 2016

Re: Lebron: Shooting an Elephant 

Post#141 » by Lovethisgamegr » Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:23 pm

what did Lebron compromise anyway? Lonzo is a good defender and pg but he's a bad shooter.Ingram is an average scorer/defender.Which was the ongoing "process" before LBJ got there? Being out of the playoffs every year? Getting another all-star?they can still do it.And it will be a lot easier if they are already a playoff team instead of being an irrelevant one
He's averaging 29-8-7 58%efg.How many 34 years old NBA playershave done that in the past? Is the point that he's being overpaid?Wall,Hayward,Horford, Wiggings, Porter, Conley (you can argue Westbrook) are overpaid, lebron is getting what he brings.
And what's the great 'danger' there? That he'll decline and provide let's say 25-5-5 on 50% efg? That's prime Kobe
User avatar
milesfides
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 16,012
And1: 1,449
Joined: Nov 09, 2004
Location: Brooklyn, NY

Re: Lebron: Shooting an Elephant 

Post#142 » by milesfides » Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:25 pm

It doesn't matter, if expectations are winning championships.

Lebron will have great stretches this year, but he is no longer the arguably best player in the league, definitely not a top two-way player, and he certainly won't be better next season at 35 years old and counting.

The downside of continuing to build around him is the undeniable increased risk of decline and injury, a massive albatross of a contract, and possibly gutting this young roster to cater to his desire to win right now within his shrinking window.

None of that prioritizes the Lakers' interests in the present and future.
“OH! Caruso parachutes in! You cannot stop him - you can only hope to contain him!” -Kevin Harlan, LAL-GSW 4/4/19
Penberthy
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,704
And1: 243
Joined: Jul 06, 2010

Re: Lebron: Shooting an Elephant 

Post#143 » by Penberthy » Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:22 am

Who are your top 3 these days?
User avatar
milesfides
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 16,012
And1: 1,449
Joined: Nov 09, 2004
Location: Brooklyn, NY

Re: Lebron: Shooting an Elephant 

Post#144 » by milesfides » Sat Dec 1, 2018 6:56 am

Steph Curry, Anthony Davis, Kawhi Leonard, Kevin Durant, Giannis are indisputably top 5. I have Lebron among Embiid, Jokic, Harden, Westbrook, Lillard, Kyrie...but I’d also take any of them ahead of Lebron over the next four years
“OH! Caruso parachutes in! You cannot stop him - you can only hope to contain him!” -Kevin Harlan, LAL-GSW 4/4/19
Ballerhogger
RealGM
Posts: 47,741
And1: 17,306
Joined: Jul 06, 2014
       

Re: Lebron: Shooting an Elephant 

Post#145 » by Ballerhogger » Sat Dec 1, 2018 7:14 pm

Is Free throws is his weakest part of his game . Let’s talk about that . Oof .
User avatar
iamworthy
RealGM
Posts: 20,137
And1: 8,916
Joined: Jul 20, 2007
Location: Ring City!!!
   

Re: Lebron: Shooting an Elephant 

Post#146 » by iamworthy » Wed Dec 5, 2018 7:04 pm

Magic complained about LeBrons usage a week or two ago. LeBron just tweeted this. Passive aggressive?

Read on Twitter
?s=21
Image
User avatar
dockingsched
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 56,679
And1: 23,996
Joined: Aug 02, 2005
     

Re: Lebron: Shooting an Elephant 

Post#147 » by dockingsched » Wed Dec 5, 2018 7:32 pm

iamworthy wrote:Magic complained about LeBrons usage a week or two ago. LeBron just tweeted this. Passive aggressive?

Read on Twitter
?s=21

Ha, I actually thought he was talking about one of his own companies. Didn’t think he was referring to skipping a lakers holiday party, didn’t even realize they had one.
"We must try not to sink beneath our anguish, Harry, but battle on." - Dumbledore
User avatar
iamworthy
RealGM
Posts: 20,137
And1: 8,916
Joined: Jul 20, 2007
Location: Ring City!!!
   

Re: Lebron: Shooting an Elephant 

Post#148 » by iamworthy » Wed Dec 5, 2018 7:57 pm

dockingsched wrote:
iamworthy wrote:Magic complained about LeBrons usage a week or two ago. LeBron just tweeted this. Passive aggressive?

Read on Twitter
?s=21

Ha, I actually thought he was talking about one of his own companies. Didn’t think he was referring to skipping a lakers holiday party, didn’t even realize they had one.


I thought he was talking about one of his companies as well. I was more talking about where he says he's washed. I assume that would be from basketball activities.
Image
PistolPeteJR
RealGM
Posts: 11,759
And1: 10,556
Joined: Jun 14, 2017
 

Re: Lebron: Shooting an Elephant 

Post#149 » by PistolPeteJR » Wed Dec 5, 2018 8:05 pm

milesfides wrote:Steph Curry, Anthony Davis, Kawhi Leonard, Kevin Durant, Giannis are indisputably top 5. I have Lebron among Embiid, Jokic, Harden, Westbrook, Lillard, Kyrie...but I’d also take any of them ahead of Lebron over the next four years


Seriously?...
queridiculo
RealGM
Posts: 17,944
And1: 9,328
Joined: Mar 29, 2005
Location: So long Wizturdz.
   

Re: Lebron: Shooting an Elephant 

Post#150 » by queridiculo » Thu Dec 6, 2018 2:08 pm

PistolPeteJR wrote:
milesfides wrote:Steph Curry, Anthony Davis, Kawhi Leonard, Kevin Durant, Giannis are indisputably top 5. I have Lebron among Embiid, Jokic, Harden, Westbrook, Lillard, Kyrie...but I’d also take any of them ahead of Lebron over the next four years


Seriously?...


I'm with OP on the longterm prospects of hitching your future to a declining Lebron, but it's kind of laughable to suggest that he isn't the top dog anymore.

Even if you accept the premise that he slipped neither of the players he mentioned would have stepped into the Lakers situation and elevated them to playing .600 ball.
User avatar
Rosque
Analyst
Posts: 3,048
And1: 2,010
Joined: Aug 11, 2012
 

Re: Lebron: Shooting an Elephant 

Post#151 » by Rosque » Thu Dec 6, 2018 3:24 pm

iamworthy wrote:Magic complained about LeBrons usage a week or two ago. LeBron just tweeted this. Passive aggressive?

Read on Twitter
?s=21

Reaching :lol:
"All these guys who run these organizations who talk about analytics, they have one thing in common: They're a bunch of guys who ain't never played the game, they never got the girls in high school, and they just want to get in the game."
Landsberger
General Manager
Posts: 9,147
And1: 2,001
Joined: Jul 04, 2016
 

Re: Lebron: Shooting an Elephant 

Post#152 » by Landsberger » Thu Dec 6, 2018 8:53 pm

Ballerhogger wrote:Is Free throws is his weakest part of his game . Let’s talk about that . Oof .


He wasn't good when he was drafted.... got better and even good..... then has slipped the last couple years and is not in Ingram territory. A foul against him is a 1 point proposition at the moment.
User avatar
TylersLakers
RealGM
Posts: 10,962
And1: 2,868
Joined: Jan 20, 2006
Location: Winnipeg Canada
     

Re: Lebron: Shooting an Elephant 

Post#153 » by TylersLakers » Thu Dec 6, 2018 10:46 pm

milesfides wrote:Steph Curry, Anthony Davis, Kawhi Leonard, Kevin Durant, Giannis are indisputably top 5. I have Lebron among Embiid, Jokic, Harden, Westbrook, Lillard, Kyrie...but I’d also take any of them ahead of Lebron over the next four years


Miles.. come on man. You're better than this. :rofl:
Image
digcom99
Sophomore
Posts: 130
And1: 70
Joined: Sep 11, 2008
Location: Los Angeles, California
         

Re: Lebron: Shooting an Elephant 

Post#154 » by digcom99 » Fri Dec 7, 2018 4:21 am

i don't post much here...i'm basically a lurker.

but i had to chime in and say this is a ridiculous thread. slamming lebron and his contract before we even see if he has a negative effect on the team is very premature.

if and when he really becomes the "elephant in the room", then the conversation should be had. but having it while he is the main reason that the team is winning and resurgent is crazy.
User avatar
zimpy27
Forum Mod
Forum Mod
Posts: 45,885
And1: 44,168
Joined: Jul 13, 2014

Re: Lebron: Shooting an Elephant 

Post#155 » by zimpy27 » Fri Dec 7, 2018 4:34 am

This thread is becoming a parody of itself. Can we shoot it before it derails the lakers board?

LeBron is still great and he's locked in for a few years. Lakers can control this asset and have obviously planned to reduslce his load and keep him fresh. Ideally they'd want to ask him chill for the RS and come firing in the playoffs alone (like Michael Buble come Christmas time).

Kobe has given similar sentiments. LeBron should do less now to force his teammates to do more and then save himself to add to the team during the playoffs. I can see this happening in the very least and being very successful.
"Let's play some basketball!" - Fergie
User avatar
milesfides
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 16,012
And1: 1,449
Joined: Nov 09, 2004
Location: Brooklyn, NY

Re: Lebron: Shooting an Elephant 

Post#156 » by milesfides » Fri Dec 7, 2018 1:42 pm

How exactly is this a parody? Many in the media acknowledge that he’s no longer a top 3 player and talk about his age (and lack of defense) as a point of focus, which it will be until he retires. Also it’s not a coincidence that since this summer, former teammates and a surprising number of players have been volunteering that playing with Lebron...well, sucks. We already know Kawhi and Kevin Durant aren’t coming to play with Lebron.

What are we trying to build here? Well, Lebron wants Melo. Of course. Of course.
“OH! Caruso parachutes in! You cannot stop him - you can only hope to contain him!” -Kevin Harlan, LAL-GSW 4/4/19
Michael Lucky
RealGM
Posts: 15,181
And1: 6,838
Joined: Jan 02, 2012
Location: Los Angeles, CA
       

Re: Lebron: Shooting an Elephant 

Post#157 » by Michael Lucky » Fri Dec 7, 2018 1:57 pm

Many in the media? Who?
RamonSessions7
RealGM
Posts: 12,063
And1: 4,148
Joined: Feb 21, 2009
   

Re: Lebron: Shooting an Elephant 

Post#158 » by RamonSessions7 » Fri Dec 7, 2018 3:02 pm

Michael Lucky wrote:Many in the media? Who?

:lol:
Image
gpoon
Pro Prospect
Posts: 995
And1: 740
Joined: Sep 10, 2015
 

Re: Lebron: Shooting an Elephant 

Post#159 » by gpoon » Fri Dec 7, 2018 5:42 pm

Lebrons conditioning is nothing this NBA has ever seen, the time and money he puts into his body along with his High IQ on when to take possessions off he will be fine. Also the NBA was far more physical back then you couldn't get into the paint without being checked.
User avatar
milesfides
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 16,012
And1: 1,449
Joined: Nov 09, 2004
Location: Brooklyn, NY

Re: Lebron: Shooting an Elephant 

Post#160 » by milesfides » Fri Dec 7, 2018 5:42 pm

Lebron tops no MVP list, he's #5 on hoopshype and and he's not even listed on the Sporting News. Even during the ESPN broadcast of the Lakers-Spurs game, Chauncey Billups and Paul Pierce didn't include Lebron in their respective lists of top players. All this would be unthinkable in previous seasons.
“OH! Caruso parachutes in! You cannot stop him - you can only hope to contain him!” -Kevin Harlan, LAL-GSW 4/4/19

Return to Los Angeles Lakers