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Game Thread: Wiz @ Hawks -- 12/5

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Game Thread: Wiz @ Hawks -- 12/5 

Post#1 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Dec 5, 2018 2:11 pm

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Can the Wizards’ new starting lineup continue to make its mark defensively?

The Wizards’ starting unit of John Wall, Bradley Beal, Tomas Satoransky, Otto Porter Jr., and Thomas Bryant has limited opponents to 80.2 points per 100 possessions. It helps that they’ve played some soft competition so far, but the numbers are still impressive, especially considering the same lineup with Satoransky swapped out for Oubre was yielding 121.4 points per 100 possessions.

The Hawks probably won’t break that trend here. They have the worst offense in the league this season and they turn the ball over more often than any other team. That should play right into Washington’s hands since they force the fourth-most turnovers of any defense in the league.
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Beal averaged 22.3 points and 3.8 assists against the Hawks last year and has a career average of 17.7 points and 3.3 assists. Wall averaged only 11.5 points and 8.0 assists against the Hawks last season, but has a career average of 18.2 points and 8.7 assists.

The Wizards (10-14) bring a two-game winning streak into the second game of their four-city road trip. Washington opened the swing with a 110-107 victory over the New York Knicks.

Atlanta (5-19) has dropped three in a row, including a 128-111 loss to the Golden State Warriors on Monday.
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Re: Game Thread: Wiz @ Hawks -- 12/5 

Post#2 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Dec 5, 2018 6:55 pm

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Re: Game Thread: Wiz @ Hawks -- 12/5 

Post#3 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Dec 5, 2018 7:07 pm

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The Wizards will be without John Wall, who is missing the game for personal reasons. Washington will need to put together a strong performance without their five-time All-Star.

Wednesday’s game will be the first meeting between the Wizards and Hawks. One of the youngest teams in the league, Atlanta has struggled with consistency but still possesses enough firepower to not be overlooked as Washington looks to start a winning streak.

the style Atlanta has adapted with their growing young nucleus is one that pushes the pace and lets it fly from 3-point range. On nights where shots are falling, that makes the Hawks a dangerous team regardless of experience. The Hawks take the fourth-most 3-point shots per game in the NBA (35), but only hit 31.3%, the second-worst mark in the league.

Speaking of pace, the Hawks average the highest in the NBA so far this season at over 106 possessions per game. The Wizards aren’t far behind in that regard, averaging just over 103 (sixth highest in the NBA). Wednesday night’s game is going to be played at a high tempo, and it will come down to which team can execute best. As a veteran team with proven playmakers, Washington should like their chances.
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Re: Game Thread: Wiz @ Hawks -- 12/5 

Post#4 » by jayu70 » Wed Dec 5, 2018 7:39 pm

Speaking of pace, the Hawks average the highest in the NBA so far this season at over 106 possessions per game.


I wonder how many of those possesions are turnovers.
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Re: Game Thread: Wiz @ Hawks -- 12/5 

Post#5 » by kg01 » Wed Dec 5, 2018 7:41 pm

Congrats to Wall, btw. Apparently having his first child is the reason he's out.

Probably explains the preg-bod he's had this year. :)
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Re: Game Thread: Wiz @ Hawks -- 12/5 

Post#6 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Dec 5, 2018 7:49 pm

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Speaking of pace, the Hawks average the highest in the NBA so far this season at over 106 possessions per game.


I wonder how many of those possesions are turnovers.


Atlanta also turns the ball over at a league-worst clip at 18.2 per game, nearly two full turnovers more than the 29th-ranked Phoenix Suns.

...thusly, the Hawks allow a league-worst 22.6 points per game off of turnovers.
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Re: Game Thread: Wiz @ Hawks -- 12/5 

Post#7 » by Atlanta Hawk Fan » Wed Dec 5, 2018 8:30 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
jayu70 wrote:
Speaking of pace, the Hawks average the highest in the NBA so far this season at over 106 possessions per game.


I wonder how many of those possesions are turnovers.


Atlanta also turns the ball over at a league-worst clip at 18.2 per game, nearly two full turnovers more than the 29th-ranked Phoenix Suns.

...thusly, the Hawks allow a league-worst 22.6 points per game off of turnovers.


The Hawks average 17.8 turnovers per game as of today (still ranked 30th) so if you assume 106 possessions per game that is a turnover almost every 6 possessions.
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Re: Game Thread: Wiz @ Hawks -- 12/5 

Post#8 » by jayu70 » Wed Dec 5, 2018 8:36 pm

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Jamaaliver wrote:
jayu70 wrote:
I wonder how many of those possesions are turnovers.


Atlanta also turns the ball over at a league-worst clip at 18.2 per game, nearly two full turnovers more than the 29th-ranked Phoenix Suns.

...thusly, the Hawks allow a league-worst 22.6 points per game off of turnovers.


The Hawks average 17.8 turnovers per game as of today (still ranked 30th) so if you assume 106 possessions per game that is a turnover almost every 6 possessions.

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Re: Game Thread: Wiz @ Hawks -- 12/5 

Post#9 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Dec 5, 2018 8:42 pm

^IDK what the difference is between TOV and TOV%, but we're league worst at both.
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Re: Game Thread: Wiz @ Hawks -- 12/5 

Post#10 » by graymule » Wed Dec 5, 2018 9:23 pm

:banghead:

Prince is out for three weeks with his ankle. Guess this means more floor time for others.

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Re: Game Thread: Wiz @ Hawks -- 12/5 

Post#11 » by Spud2nique » Wed Dec 5, 2018 9:57 pm

kg01 wrote:Congrats to Wall, btw. Apparently having his first child is the reason he's out.

Probably explains the preg-bod he's had this year. :)


LOl that’s the Luka dad bod aka I’m too lazy to workout so I’ll catch the next fad.
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Re: Game Thread: Wiz @ Hawks -- 12/5 

Post#12 » by Spud2nique » Wed Dec 5, 2018 9:58 pm

kg01 wrote:Congrats to Wall, btw. Apparently having his first child is the reason he's out.

Probably explains the preg-bod he's had this year. :)


Wait, they are giving Wall a kid? Omg...I’m in favor of abortion after this.
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Post#13 » by ducler » Wed Dec 5, 2018 10:18 pm

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Re: Game Thread: Wiz @ Hawks -- 12/5 

Post#14 » by lethalweapon3 » Wed Dec 5, 2018 10:20 pm

The darkness in the cellar is broken only by a glaring spotlight. The quiet, interrupted only by a hiss and the sharp, crisp, unmistakable snaps from a cat o’ nine tails. That, the wood creaking from leather boots and high heels, and the periodic whimpering by an unfortunate man tied to a chair.

He would plead further for mercy, but the fuzzy pink handcuffs holding his arms behind the chair make persuasiveness difficult. His moans would translate into intelligible words but for the sizable red rubber ball gag, placed methodically between his teeth and strapped around his head.

The dominatrix holding the whip would have none of his whining anyway. Duct tape lines supplanting areas where his chest hair once resided are a telling testament to that. Shirtless, in pig masks and patent leather chaps, the rogues who abducted and placed this tortured soul in this predicament now surround him from the shadows, following the cat-suited captor’s every command.

One pig-faced man approaches with a bucket, and then the captive’s slick, gray hair gets topped with strawberry sauce and cherry blossoms. The next bucketful of hot fudge, pouring down from his shoulders, elicits a single, helpless gurgle, and a fruitless thrashing about in the chair that is bolted to the floor.

Another portly, porky man approaches. Now, a bucket’s worth of baby dusky gopher frogs hop about in the captive’s lap, the endangered amphibians curious about where their long, strange trip has led them.

As the dominatrix draws away from the spotlight, all the pig men step inward, surrounding their subjugated subject, leaning in behind him. His bushy eyebrows, raised in abject horror, could be mistaken by an unknowing observer as a sense of euphoric glee. A familiar colleague, the only person within miles of this location properly dressed in a suit-and-tie, steps forward to reveal himself.

“Perrrrrrrfect,” the dominatrix purrs. “Errrrrrrrnie, take the picturrrres!” Each snap of the cat o’ nine is answered by the snap from a Polaroid.


Does anyone have a more plausible scenario that explains how Ernie Grunfeld continues to serve at the pleasure of Ted Leonsis and the Washington Wizards?

We’ve passed the point where longtime Squawk readers grew tired of this gamethread writer growing tired of the Wizards, whom the Hawks are tasked with hosting tonight (7:30 PM Eastern, Fox Sports Southeast and 92.9 FM in ATL, NBC Sports Washington) and playing – sigh – three more times between tomorrow and February 4. Self-aggrandizing and oft-aggravating, the Wizards in their current form have worn bare the patience of every NBA fan, and not just their own.

This… team, if that’s what one wishes to call it… sits at 10-14, ten of those defeats by double digits. Yes, they’ve begun to level off after an abysmal 2-9 start to the season. But for all their bluster, they have no business just breaking even. This is supposed to be the Wizards’ big season. This is supposed to be a Finals contender in the NBA East, one which – let’s hear it once more, John Wall and Bradley Beal; louder, for the few people left in the back – no one ever wants to talk about.

Winning three or four in a row versus bad teams isn't supposed to be a big deal. Yes, Washington avenged an earlier loss to the Knicks on Monday. But not before falling behind by 11 after one quarter, then nearly blowing a 15-point lead of their own in the three closing minutes of play.

They’re supposed to win 50 games for the first time since Grunfeld was in his second season as a pro out of Tennessee, in the 1970s. Already, they’re about halfway to failing even that realistic goal, and the calendar just turned to December.

They are supposed to reclaim the Southeast Division banner that they fumbled away with all their internal squabbling last season. It’s the easiest division-winning challenge anywhere in sports, outside of Foxboro. Yet they’re out here making the Orlando Magic look nice.

Forget about proving, Washington is barely showing. Carrying one of the league’s heaviest guaranteed-salary loads, they sit a game-and-a-half below Charlotte for the East’s final playoff spot. As it stands, they’re closer to Atlanta (5-19) than the top 3 teams in the Eastern Conference standings. They’re gonna need the Hawks’ help, tonight and in the coming weeks, to change that circumstance.

Fortunately for them, the Wizards won’t have Taurean Prince to kick them around, not for the next couple of meetings. After getting Zaza’d by Shaun Livingston during Monday’s color-by-numbers, 128-111 loss to Golden State, the Hawks’ third-leading scorer and top three-point-maker will spend much of this month keeping his foot from resembling a regulation-sized football.

Prince’s injury short-circuits coach Lloyd Pierce’s plans to return Kent Bazemore to what should be his optimal situation, as a sixth-man extraordinaire. But it may work out to Atlanta’s benefit, for now, to pair Baze with red velvety-smooth rookie Kevin Huerter (+1.2 points per 100 possessions, Baze’s only positive two-man pair, as per bball-ref) at the outsets of games.

Taurean’s absence momentarily removes his 112.1 defensive rating, the only one on the team worse than Trae Young’s 111.7, and his 0.91 assist/turnover ratio from the equation. And it’s not as though the Bench Baze Bonanza has borne much fruit. Kent has shot 5-for-23 on threes, and 36.2 percent overall, in his five non-starts, while his defensive efficiency (107.0 for the season, as per nba.com stats) only managed to get worse (109.5 last five games).

Despite going 2-3 in the past five contests, since moving Bazemore to the bench, Atlanta’s first quarter net rating of minus-21.9 has been the third-worst in the league. That’s barely better than the minus-21.6 posted in that stretch by the Wizards who, unlike the Hawks, have virtually no excuses. The lackluster play at the starts of Washington’s games chafes everyone’s hide, not just Dwight Howard’s.

With Dwight (backside/rump) out of commission again, coach Scott Brooks turns to Thomas Bryant to man the middle. And why wouldn’t he rely on the second-year, second-rounder, waiver-wire pickup making nearly $1.4 million to start on this roster? Especially given that the alternatives at Brooks’ disposal include the disastrous Ian Mahinmi and Jason Smith, who combine to pull $21.5 million from Leonsis’ pockets this season alone, or the benched Markieff Morris ($8.6 million) when the Wizards need to go small. Say, might these be the fellas donning the pig masks?

Beal’s fellow St. Lunatic, Otto Porter (3-for-4 3FGs, 3 blocks @ NYK; 11.7 PPG and 1.9 APG) is similarly suspicious, needing to produce more consistently at the level his $26-plus million salary commands. Part of the problem is the reluctance of Porter (15.2 usage%, third-lowest of his seven-season career) to demand the ball.

Shots that should be headed Otto’s way, when Wall (32.2 3FG%, career-worst 67.8 FT%; 39.4 assist%, lowest since his sophomore season) and Beal (career-low 32.5 3FG%) aren’t running the offense themselves, get taken instead by the scattershot Kelly Oubre (0.7 APG, 31.5 3FG% on 0.9 more 3FGAs per game than Porter), Austin Rivers (31.0 3FG%, an oink-able $12.7 million one-year deal) and vet-min Jeff Green. None of this is ideal, and the momentary absence of Wall (paternity leave), with Rivers in his stead, won’t help matters much. Perhaps Tomas Satoransky (2.7 APG, third on the team) will look Otto's way tonight.

Much like Fred Hoiberg in Chicago, Brooks is likely to be The Fall Guy, and the only one, if this mismanaged roster manages to slide even more. He’s in the danger zone as the Wizards have trips to Cleveland and Brooklyn on the docket before returning to The Farm on December 18. Drop any of these road games, and their drawers when Boston and LeBrongeles visit The District, and Scotty Scapegoat will likely get the heave-ho-ho-ho before Christmastime.

Atlanta will continue to scratch and claw in hopes of finding wins, especially at home versus their division rivals (2-0 vs. Southeast foes at State Farm Arena). But Hawks fans aren't eager to be vying for ping-pong balls with their regional competitors, least of all the Wizards, whose fans are fit to be tied, no matter who the coach is that tries to whip their team into shape. Ideally, all four of the Hawks' division opponents could somehow wind up 5-through-8 come springtime.

Then again, maybe Atlanta won’t mind if Grunfeld gets a shot at pulling another Jan Vesely out of his hat. Or maybe he’ll squander the pick outright in a deadline trade, in hopes of another Bojan Bogdanovic playoff rental.

How did Ernie get that double-super-secret contract extension last year, again? Hey, Ted… say, “cheese”! That is, if you can.

Let’s Go Hawks!
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Re: Game Thread: Wiz @ Hawks -- 12/5 

Post#15 » by Spud2nique » Wed Dec 5, 2018 10:48 pm

Great game thread lw3! I’m not sure how Ernie has a job, not the Scarface Ernie, he earned Tony’s trust, I’m talking about the Grun! Wow.

I found it funny and then got angered that you mentioned Shaun Livingston Zaza’ing Prince. Look folks, Steve Kerr is as dirty a coach as they come he just hides behind his “political” glass window. Otherwise he advises his players to go for the leg like Johnny from Karate Kid. If there are basketball gods, the Warriors will stay healthy and lose to somebody this year so we don’t have to hear their excuses..specially Kerr, Durant, Draymond...I’m more tired of the Warriors than the Wiz.

Welcome Washington.

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Post#16 » by lethalweapon3 » Thu Dec 6, 2018 12:18 am

No Uncle Jeffy tonight either (sore back). Otto, the floor is (almost) yours!

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Post#17 » by mcleitsy » Thu Dec 6, 2018 1:13 am

Damn we suck.
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Post#18 » by Vol4ever » Thu Dec 6, 2018 1:25 am

At least Bembry hustles and plays defense.
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Re: Game Thread: Wiz @ Hawks -- 12/5 

Post#19 » by DirtybirdGA » Thu Dec 6, 2018 1:36 am

May as well lose to the wizards, no need for picking ahead of the Hawks., See y'all next time.
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Re: Game Thread: Wiz @ Hawks -- 12/5 

Post#20 » by graymule » Thu Dec 6, 2018 1:55 am

-----Pee-ful!!

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