Fake Trade Thread 2

[316Hornets]

Why would anyone pay up for Lamb when they could just outbid everyone this summer? He has more value to this team this year than whatever value we could get back.

[JMAC3]

Why would anyone pay up for Lamb when they could just outbid everyone this summer? He has more value to this team this year than whatever value we could get back.

Because most teams don’t operate with that long term view. They are looking for who can help them get over the hump this year. I would assume team trading for him would some mild interest at resigning him at the right cost.

And speaking about right cost I think he will get between 12-16 annually something like 3/40 or 2/30. To me it’s unlikely we can resign him with standing pat with our current roster and resign Kemba.






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[JMAC3]

This team needs to pick a direction and then make moves, I feel like we are stuck in a limbo. I think you can pretty much mark out trading Kemba at this point and going full rebuild off the list.

Trading for Beal in my mind gives us that, a direction. Let’s us know we are committed to building a young talented team to win games now. And Beal is not crazy expensive and locked up for a few years.

Once that happens we look at what contracts and assets we have and strategize our next move. To me it would be getting an allstar big to play with them.




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[yosemiteben]

Why would anyone pay up for Lamb when they could just outbid everyone this summer? He has more value to this team this year than whatever value we could get back.

Because most teams don’t operate with that long term view.

It's not long view to look to next summer. I think you're underselling NBA GMs a bit, they are definitely aware that trading for Lamb means giving assets for a player that will be available to the highest bidder in seven months.

[Eoghan]

Can we please just trade Nic for Wiggins so that Nic has to live in the frozen hell scape of Minnesota? You guys and your "stats" and "sound, basketball reasonings." Just get in touch with your inner reptilian and punish him already.

[BeesWax]

Why would anyone pay up for Lamb when they could just outbid everyone this summer? He has more value to this team this year than whatever value we could get back.

Because most teams don’t operate with that long term view. They are looking for who can help them get over the hump this year. I would assume team trading for him would some mild interest at resigning him at the right cost.

And speaking about right cost I think he will get between 12-16 annually something like 3/40 or 2/30. To me it’s unlikely we can resign him with standing pat with our current roster and resign Kemba.






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Also you get to have him on your team to try to start the fit process and if he is going to cost around 15 a year his cap hold is 12 so you can leave him on that in order to have some extra space to work with. Plus I think having him already gives someone an advantage in trying to keep him because he can get comfortable with the coach and team ahead of time.

Oh yeah and bird rights if you are a team over the cap already.

[Benjamin Linus]

Would CLE do Biz and a first for George Hill?

We’d save 16 million next season plus whatever we’d save from not paying a first rounder

[bravor]

Marvin + 2nd for T. Young would also work pretty well here (this season included). Indy gets a vet to monitor Sabonis's progress (well, if daddy is too busy with Zalgiris and the federation..) on a reasonable contract who fits well along Turner and Sabonis + a 2nd that KP can use to 'euro stash'.
Hornets get a decent pf who is underperforming for Indy right now but who is an excellent perimeter defender (worst than Marvin in the post though) and a better inside/outside threat. Expiring contract.

I have been advocating for this since a while, i hope it comes true it makes sense for both teams.

[Benjamin Linus]

Denver’s probably not going to mess with what they got going on but I wonder if we could trade for Mason Plumlee. He makes a good amount of $ to come off the bench and they don’t play him next to Jokic. But he’s been pretty damn solid

One of Biz, Marvin, or Zeller + a first?

[stinger14]

Couple deals to get expirings I would look into

Hornets get - Hill, Johnson, Miller
Pelicans get - Batum
Batum gives them a needed upgrade at SF and the fit is good for them. Holiday, Moore, Batum, Mirotic, Davis is a good starting five.

Hornets get - Taj Gibson
TWolves get - Marvin Williams and a 2nd (2 if needed)

Hornets get - Ariza, Ryan Anderson
Suns get - Biyombo, Marvin, lotto protected 1st

Hornets get - R. Lopez, Bobby Portis
Bulls get - Biyombo, lotto protected 1st

Hornets get - Shumpert, Randolph
Kings get - Batum, top 8 protected 1st
Kings need help at SF, and they are not likely to attract many free agents yet. They also don't have a pic this year, this changes that

Hornets get - G. Hill, JR Smith
Cavs get - Biyombo, Marvin, lotto protected 1st

[JMAC3]

Couple deals to get expirings I would look into

Hornets get - Hill, Johnson, Miller
Pelicans get - Batum
Batum gives them a needed upgrade at SF and the fit is good for them. Holiday, Moore, Batum, Mirotic, Davis is a good starting five.

Hornets get - Taj Gibson
TWolves get - Marvin Williams and a 2nd (2 if needed)

Hornets get - Ariza, Ryan Anderson
Suns get - Biyombo, Marvin, lotto protected 1st

Hornets get - R. Lopez, Bobby Portis
Bulls get - Biyombo, lotto protected 1st

Hornets get - Shumpert, Randolph
Kings get - Batum, top 8 protected 1st
Kings need help at SF, and they are not likely to attract many free agents yet. They also don't have a pic this year, this changes that

Hornets get - G. Hill, JR Smith
Cavs get - Biyombo, Marvin, lotto protected 1st

Not just picking on you here, but seems like we are giving up too much far too often to dump contracts. I’m not saying I wouldn’t want to dump a contract if we could but why?

Seems like everyone is saying dump biz or Marvin plus a first to open up cap space for Resigning Kemba and Lamb. That doesn’t make us any better, it’s the same team as the year before.

Even if we dump Batum, who are we signing? What’s the big payoff? It’s not like we are lakers or Knicks or Houston that if we get rid of a bad deal we sign a huge difference maker.

Who are signing? Terrence Ross? Danny Green?

I want to shake things up, I like Lamb but he isn’t ever going to be an allstar. Resigning Kemba is my number 1 priority, but we have to do more than that.

If we really want to open up a little cap. I think we could do something like:

Biz, Bacon and 2nd for Jr smith.

I’m just against trading a first to open up cap space, if it’s not going to make team better than it is now.


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[316Hornets]

Couple deals to get expirings I would look into

Hornets get - Hill, Johnson, Miller
Pelicans get - Batum
Batum gives them a needed upgrade at SF and the fit is good for them. Holiday, Moore, Batum, Mirotic, Davis is a good starting five.

Hornets get - Taj Gibson
TWolves get - Marvin Williams and a 2nd (2 if needed)

Hornets get - Ariza, Ryan Anderson
Suns get - Biyombo, Marvin, lotto protected 1st

Hornets get - R. Lopez, Bobby Portis
Bulls get - Biyombo, lotto protected 1st

Hornets get - Shumpert, Randolph
Kings get - Batum, top 8 protected 1st
Kings need help at SF, and they are not likely to attract many free agents yet. They also don't have a pic this year, this changes that

Hornets get - G. Hill, JR Smith
Cavs get - Biyombo, Marvin, lotto protected 1st

Not just picking on you here, but seems like we are giving up too much far too often to dump contracts. I’m not saying I wouldn’t want to dump a contract if we could but why?

Seems like everyone is saying dump biz or Marvin plus a first to open up cap space for Resigning Kemba and Lamb. That doesn’t make us any better, it’s the same team as the year before.

Even if we dump Batum, who are we signing? What’s the big payoff? It’s not like we are lakers or Knicks or Houston that if we get rid of a bad deal we sign a huge difference maker.

Who are signing? Terrence Ross? Danny Green?

I want to shake things up, I like Lamb but he isn’t ever going to be an allstar. Resigning Kemba is my number 1 priority, but we have to do more than that.

If we really want to open up a little cap. I think we could do something like:

Biz, Bacon and 2nd for Jr smith.

I’m just against trading a first to open up cap space, if it’s not going to make team better than it is now.


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Thing is, pretty much anyone is better than Batum. If we don't trade him, then we have no cap flexibility once the Kemba contract is signed. Basically, meaning we are all in on who we drafted and no way to improve outside that. This team doesn't look close to competitive to me right now. If we sleepwalk into the playoffs, it'll be a sweep in the 1st round.

[CatgutStitches]

Couple deals to get expirings I would look into

Hornets get - Hill, Johnson, Miller
Pelicans get - Batum
Batum gives them a needed upgrade at SF and the fit is good for them. Holiday, Moore, Batum, Mirotic, Davis is a good starting five.

Hornets get - Taj Gibson
TWolves get - Marvin Williams and a 2nd (2 if needed)

Hornets get - Ariza, Ryan Anderson
Suns get - Biyombo, Marvin, lotto protected 1st

Hornets get - R. Lopez, Bobby Portis
Bulls get - Biyombo, lotto protected 1st

Hornets get - Shumpert, Randolph
Kings get - Batum, top 8 protected 1st
Kings need help at SF, and they are not likely to attract many free agents yet. They also don't have a pic this year, this changes that

Hornets get - G. Hill, JR Smith
Cavs get - Biyombo, Marvin, lotto protected 1st

Not just picking on you here, but seems like we are giving up too much far too often to dump contracts. I’m not saying I wouldn’t want to dump a contract if we could but why?

Seems like everyone is saying dump biz or Marvin plus a first to open up cap space for Resigning Kemba and Lamb. That doesn’t make us any better, it’s the same team as the year before.

Even if we dump Batum, who are we signing? What’s the big payoff? It’s not like we are lakers or Knicks or Houston that if we get rid of a bad deal we sign a huge difference maker.

Who are signing? Terrence Ross? Danny Green?

I want to shake things up, I like Lamb but he isn’t ever going to be an allstar. Resigning Kemba is my number 1 priority, but we have to do more than that.

If we really want to open up a little cap. I think we could do something like:

Biz, Bacon and 2nd for Jr smith.

I’m just against trading a first to open up cap space, if it’s not going to make team better than it is now.


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Agreed....I was gonna post something about this...people are all about throwing our 1st rounder away just to open up some cap room.

Once we resign Kemba I don't really give a crap...we will still have no cap space for a decent FA (IF we can even get one to sign with us). Id rather bank on a mid first round pick hitting than whatever meh FA we could sign...or bringing the same underachieving team back again.

Without a trade for a significant upgrade piece I'd just assume stand pat and build on what we have. Even the teams you mentioned like LA and NYC have struggled getting the big FAs to sign with them in general. Just having money is no forgone conclusion that youll get any better.

[Diop]

if Jazz keep stinking, I'd like to help them try and turn their season around.

Marv and Lamb for Favors and O'Neale?

Favors has a team option for next year, so at the least its a salary cut, but Favors looks real good when Gobert is out.
Would be a good starting centre for us. O'Neale is a cheap solid wing, we could also swap him for Thabo for more D

[HornetJail]

if Jazz keep stinking, I'd like to help them try and turn their season around.

Marv and Lamb for Favors and O'Neale?

Favors has a team option for next year, so at the least its a salary cut, but Favors looks real good when Gobert is out.
Would be a good starting centre for us. O'Neale is a cheap solid wing, we could also swap him for Thabo for more D

I don't know what we're supposed to do with Zeller, Favors, Hernangomez, Frank, and Biyombo on the roster, with none of them playing together

Needs to be a follow up move with some centers involved. Beal with Zeller+Frank+young guys/pick(s) going to WAS?

[WeekapaugGroove]

Suns fan here curious of your opinion on a rumor that the Suns owner nixed a trade that would have landed SGA. It was supposedly 16 and the Bucks pick the suns own from the Bledsoe trade for 11. Do you think the Hornets would have preferred that to the deal they did with the Clips? I was kind of under the impression the Hornets were very interested in Miles Bridges and doing that trade would have meant not getting him.

[HornetJail]

I've been on the SGA train, and while I like Miles a lot more now than I did at draft time, I still would've loved to have SGA completing our backcourt moving forward. The organization clearly didn't though. Seems they wanted Miles all along, and I highly doubt he would've lasted to 16. Plus getting Tony Parker in free agency and Devonte Graham in the second round (who looks decent in very limited minutes) hopefully patches up our backup guard situation.

I love Bridges now but I really really wish we had a defensive guard with length. SGA would've fit like a glove

[316Hornets]

Suns fan here curious of your opinion on a rumor that the Suns owner nixed a trade that would have landed SGA. It was supposedly 16 and the Bucks pick the suns own from the Bledsoe trade for 11. Do you think the Hornets would have preferred that to the deal they did with the Clips? I was kind of under the impression the Hornets were very interested in Miles Bridges and doing that trade would have meant not getting him.

Not a big fan as that Bucks pick will likely be a late 1st in 2020 with how the weak the East is. Difference between 16 and 11 is big.

[JDR720]

Why would anyone pay up for Lamb when they could just outbid everyone this summer? He has more value to this team this year than whatever value we could get back.

I think we could get a useful little package from a contender looking for a cheap bench piece for this year. but thats about it. maybe Houston.

Nene + Chriss + 1st + 2nd for Lamb.

Buyout Nene.

[316Hornets]

Why would anyone pay up for Lamb when they could just outbid everyone this summer? He has more value to this team this year than whatever value we could get back.

I think we could get a useful little package from a contender looking for a cheap bench piece for this year. but thats about it. maybe Houston.

Nene + Chriss + 1st + 2nd for Lamb.

Buyout Nene.

Yeah, if this team isn't a contender, then we should explore all possibilities. Going into this season, I thought we were shoe-ins for the playoffs, not so sure now.