Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc

[Nemesis21]

I never feel embarrassed. Besides, I thought I was being pretty balanced here. I titled the thread in tribute to him while questioning how to handle another contract year player.

These wins feel good in my heart, but in my head, we're still a team that lacks substance behind their rebuild. What we do to get better from here is real questionable.

There has never been a rebuild. It’s just drafting BPA in the lottery to have those players come off the bench behind the mediocrity of the last 7 years. Orlando hires a good coach and everyone starts sweeping roster mistakes under the rug.

to be fair athe magic did fire the GM who made the majority of those roster moves . Magic are finally doing better and people don’t want them to win lmao

This is false Mc-o. Alex Martins was behind the majority of those roster moves and he is still employed by the Magic.

[Skin]

There has never been a rebuild. It’s just drafting BPA in the lottery to have those players come off the bench behind the mediocrity of the last 7 years. Orlando hires a good coach and everyone starts sweeping roster mistakes under the rug.

to be fair athe magic did fire the GM who made the majority of those roster moves . Magic are finally doing better and people don’t want them to win lmao

This is false Mc-o. Alex Martins was behind the majority of those roster moves and he is still employed by the Magic.

I can more easily deal with Martins now that he has relinquished all basketball decisions to Weltman.

But I do find it funny that 2017-18 was called "The Evaluation Year" and then we proceeded to draft Bamba instead of trading up in the draft. Now that Vuc is doing his thing and the team likes it, it's like WeHam failed in thier "evaluations".

[Nemesis21]

to be fair athe magic did fire the GM who made the majority of those roster moves . Magic are finally doing better and people don’t want them to win lmao

This is false Mc-o. Alex Martins was behind the majority of those roster moves and he is still employed by the Magic.

I can more easily deal with Martins now that he has relinquished all basketball decisions to Weltman.

But I do find it funny that 2017-18 was called "The Evaluation Year" and then we proceeded to draft Bamba instead of trading up in the draft. Now that Vuc is doing his thing and the team likes it, it's like WeHam failed in their "evaluations".

Meanwhile, our guy Morant has broken into the top 10 in mocks. This kid could end up in the 4-6 range when it's all said and done.

Missing out on elite talent for what will be the 4th consecutive draft.

Missing out on one of the Duke 3. Missing out on Morant.


But it's all worth it, because you know first round exits and chit.

[MagicFan4Lyfe]

This is false Mc-o. Alex Martins was behind the majority of those roster moves and he is still employed by the Magic.

I can more easily deal with Martins now that he has relinquished all basketball decisions to Weltman.

But I do find it funny that 2017-18 was called "The Evaluation Year" and then we proceeded to draft Bamba instead of trading up in the draft. Now that Vuc is doing his thing and the team likes it, it's like WeHam failed in their "evaluations".

Meanwhile, our guy Morant has broken into the top 10 in mocks. This kid could end up in the 4-6 range when it's all said and done.

Missing out on elite talent for what will be the 4th consecutive draft.

Missing out on one of the Duke 3. Missing out on Morant.


But it's all worth it, because you know first round exits and chit.

What do you expect from a loser fan base that sees ‘championships’ in first round SWEEPS without any hope for further advancement.

[Nemesis21]

I can more easily deal with Martins now that he has relinquished all basketball decisions to Weltman.

But I do find it funny that 2017-18 was called "The Evaluation Year" and then we proceeded to draft Bamba instead of trading up in the draft. Now that Vuc is doing his thing and the team likes it, it's like WeHam failed in their "evaluations".

Meanwhile, our guy Morant has broken into the top 10 in mocks. This kid could end up in the 4-6 range when it's all said and done.

Missing out on elite talent for what will be the 4th consecutive draft.

Missing out on one of the Duke 3. Missing out on Morant.


But it's all worth it, because you know first round exits and chit.

What do you expect from a loser fan base that sees ‘championships’ in first round SWEEPS without any hope for further advancement.

Not a whole lot, honestly.

[Knightro]

Meanwhile, our guy Morant has broken into the top 10 in mocks. This kid could end up in the 4-6 range when it's all said and done.

Missing out on elite talent for what will be the 4th consecutive draft.

Missing out on one of the Duke 3. Missing out on Morant.

But it's all worth it, because you know first round exits and chit.

I'm very skeptical that Morant actually goes in the top 6.

If the Magic miss the playoffs, I think they have a great chance at landing him regardless of where they end up.

Point guard is probably the least *need* position in the entire NBA currently.

[Nemesis21]

People were skeptical that Trae Young would go top 5. Remember?


Get that bs out of here!

[Skin]

I can more easily deal with Martins now that he has relinquished all basketball decisions to Weltman.

But I do find it funny that 2017-18 was called "The Evaluation Year" and then we proceeded to draft Bamba instead of trading up in the draft. Now that Vuc is doing his thing and the team likes it, it's like WeHam failed in their "evaluations".

Meanwhile, our guy Morant has broken into the top 10 in mocks. This kid could end up in the 4-6 range when it's all said and done.

Missing out on elite talent for what will be the 4th consecutive draft.

Missing out on one of the Duke 3. Missing out on Morant.


But it's all worth it, because you know first round exits and chit.

What do you expect from a loser fan base that sees ‘championships’ in first round SWEEPS without any hope for further advancement.

That's exactly what is happening right now. After years of racking up the losses, this loser fanbase is so happy to be near .500 that false hopes and new justifications are becoming trendy and popular to defend. We have no superstar. We're terrible at developing Superstars. We have no cap room or lure-ability to sign a Superstar. ...and we have no high pick coming.

NBA abyss.

[IllMagic04]

We should have tanked last year. That was the year to do it. We failed. Right now we are in the thick of the playoff hunt. We are not going to tank now. Even if we did there's not enough time to catch the other bad teams. Plus the new lottery odds make it hard too. At this point we may as well ride it out try to make the playoffs. We are playing some solid basketball right now so we got a shot.

[OrlandoNed]

Meanwhile, our guy Morant has broken into the top 10 in mocks. This kid could end up in the 4-6 range when it's all said and done.

Missing out on elite talent for what will be the 4th consecutive draft.

Missing out on one of the Duke 3. Missing out on Morant.

But it's all worth it, because you know first round exits and chit.

I'm very skeptical that Morant actually goes in the top 6.

If the Magic miss the playoffs, I think they have a great chance at landing him regardless of where they end up.

Point guard is probably the least *need* position in the entire NBA currently.

What? About half the teams in the league have a starting PG that has been an all-star or close to it at some point right now. Point guard is pretty much THE most important position in the game.

[Nemesis21]

We should have tanked last year. That was the year to do it. We failed. Right now we are in the thick of the playoff hunt. We are not going to tank now. Even if we did there's not enough time to catch the other bad teams. Plus the new lottery odds make it hard too. At this point we may as well ride it out try to make the playoffs. We are playing some solid basketball right now so we got a shot.

Sure there is, trade Vuc, Evan, DJ and Ross.

Roll out

Grant/Bricoe
Simmons/Frazier
Gordon/Iwundu
Isaac/Birch
Bamba/Moz


That's a tankerrific team!


Grant and Simmons are terrible. Isaac and Bamba need to start and go through the growing pains

[Skin]

Meanwhile, our guy Morant has broken into the top 10 in mocks. This kid could end up in the 4-6 range when it's all said and done.

Missing out on elite talent for what will be the 4th consecutive draft.

Missing out on one of the Duke 3. Missing out on Morant.

But it's all worth it, because you know first round exits and chit.

I'm very skeptical that Morant actually goes in the top 6.

If the Magic miss the playoffs, I think they have a great chance at landing him regardless of where they end up.

Point guard is probably the least *need* position in the entire NBA currently.

Need isn't the only driver. A lot of teams simply go with the BPA.

NBAdraft.net's draft order right now...

Let's say we take out the top 5 teams... Could the remainer use a PG?

6 Miami - Yes, Dragic is old and a FA
7 Brooklyn - Yes, Russell is a FA
8 Washington - No, they are stuck with Wall
9 Houston - Maybe, will likely go BPA
10 Utah - Maybe, will likely go BPA
11 San Antonio - Yes, Murray is no surety
12 *Boston - Yes, Kyrie gets hurt often and Rozier is a FA
13 New Orleans - Yes, they are relying on Elf.
14 Minnesota - Maybe, will likely go BPA

[OrlandoNed]

Meanwhile, our guy Morant has broken into the top 10 in mocks. This kid could end up in the 4-6 range when it's all said and done.

Missing out on elite talent for what will be the 4th consecutive draft.

Missing out on one of the Duke 3. Missing out on Morant.


But it's all worth it, because you know first round exits and chit.

What do you expect from a loser fan base that sees ‘championships’ in first round SWEEPS without any hope for further advancement.

That's exactly what is happening right now. After years of racking up the losses, this loser fanbase is so happy to be near .500 that false hopes and new justifications are becoming trendy and popular to defend. We have no superstar. We're terrible at developing Superstars. We have no cap room or lure-ability to sign a Superstar. ...and we have no high pick coming.

NBA abyss.

That tune will change after a handful of seasons of our team bashing their collective heads on it's ceiling as a team as a 7 or 8 seed.

Then we'll be in the same spot as Philly before they got tired of mediocrity, tore and burned down their roster and began rebuilding then only becoming relevant again after a few years of collecting high lotto picks.

Unfortunately we can't do the same and take advantage of the draft odds that made it benificial to be the worst, now it's an even bigger crapshoot.

Fans who live and die with every win and loss can have their moral victories and playoff cameos, hoping that their team can win a title. I don't want to hope the Magic will win a title, I want to KNOW the Magic will win a title.

[VFX]

Meanwhile, our guy Morant has broken into the top 10 in mocks. This kid could end up in the 4-6 range when it's all said and done.

Missing out on elite talent for what will be the 4th consecutive draft.

Missing out on one of the Duke 3. Missing out on Morant.


But it's all worth it, because you know first round exits and chit.

What do you expect from a loser fan base that sees ‘championships’ in first round SWEEPS without any hope for further advancement.

That's exactly what is happening right now. After years of racking up the losses, this loser fanbase is so happy to be near .500 that false hopes and new justifications are becoming trendy and popular to defend. We have no superstar. We're terrible at developing Superstars. We have no cap room or lure-ability to sign a Superstar. ...and we have no high pick coming.

NBA abyss.

Have never agreed with you more.

Add to the fact that our top picks from "tanking" are coming off the bench and our latest #6 pick plays 12-17 minutes behind a player that must be on the court to win games.

People dont seem to understand that winning in the nba always comes down to talent and "winning culture" is just a sustained prosperity of utilizing said talent. We aren't done acquiring talent and there are very few ways to find it these days, but people aren't willing to see how we get better for the future.
Abyss is correct.

[IllMagic04]

We should have tanked last year. That was the year to do it. We failed. Right now we are in the thick of the playoff hunt. We are not going to tank now. Even if we did there's not enough time to catch the other bad teams. Plus the new lottery odds make it hard too. At this point we may as well ride it out try to make the playoffs. We are playing some solid basketball right now so we got a shot.

Sure there is, trade Vuc, Evan, DJ and Ross.

Roll out

Grant/Bricoe
Simmons/Frazier
Gordon/Iwundu
Isaac/Birch
Bamba/Moz


That's a tankerrific team!


Grant and Simmons are terrible. Isaac and Bamba need to start and go through the growing pains

Before the season started yes I agree. You can't do that now.

[JBSouthpaw]

What do you expect from a loser fan base that sees ‘championships’ in first round SWEEPS without any hope for further advancement.

That's exactly what is happening right now. After years of racking up the losses, this loser fanbase is so happy to be near .500 that false hopes and new justifications are becoming trendy and popular to defend. We have no superstar. We're terrible at developing Superstars. We have no cap room or lure-ability to sign a Superstar. ...and we have no high pick coming.

NBA abyss.

Have never agreed with you more.

Add to the fact that our top picks from "tanking" are coming off the bench and our latest #6 pick plays 12-17 minutes behind a player that must be on the court to win games. People dont seem to understand that winning in the nba always comes down to talent and "winning culture" is just a sustained prosperity of utilizing said talent. We aren't done acquiring talent and there are very few ways to find it these days, but people aren't willing to see how we get better for the future.
Abyss is correct.

Do you guys think we'll go from bottom of the NBA, to top 3?
there will be middle years, look at Philly last year.

IF these guys can beat teams, they should. You have to learn how to win, Boston is struggling with that now, look at all that talent.

You can't be serious that it always comes down to talent... It takes SO much more than talent.
Look at DEN & SAC right now, it isn't talent carrying them.

[Knightro]

What? About half the teams in the league have a starting PG that has been an all-star or close to it at some point right now. Point guard is pretty much THE most important position in the game.

I worded my take poorly. We are saying the same thing.

PG is a super important position, but most teams already have one was what I was saying. Most teams don’t need a PG because they’re already invested heavily in the position.

[VFX]

That's exactly what is happening right now. After years of racking up the losses, this loser fanbase is so happy to be near .500 that false hopes and new justifications are becoming trendy and popular to defend. We have no superstar. We're terrible at developing Superstars. We have no cap room or lure-ability to sign a Superstar. ...and we have no high pick coming.

NBA abyss.

Have never agreed with you more.

Add to the fact that our top picks from "tanking" are coming off the bench and our latest #6 pick plays 12-17 minutes behind a player that must be on the court to win games. People dont seem to understand that winning in the nba always comes down to talent and "winning culture" is just a sustained prosperity of utilizing said talent. We aren't done acquiring talent and there are very few ways to find it these days, but people aren't willing to see how we get better for the future.
Abyss is correct.

Do you guys think we'll go from bottom of the NBA, to top 3?
there will be middle years, look at Philly last year.

IF these guys can beat teams, they should. You have to learn how to win, Boston is struggling with that now, look at all that talent.

You can't be serious that it always comes down to talent... It takes SO much more than talent.
Look at DEN & SAC right now, it isn't talent carrying them.

I’m talking about championships. You are arguing that the most talented teams don’t win championships? The leagues most talented teams nearly always win or are competing for championships. They always have top 5 players at least. Boston is adjusting to Hayward coming back and they will figure it out.

Look at Philly last year? Arguably two elite players in Simmons and Embiid. Those players were drafted in the top 5. Not seeing your point.

[pepe1991]

Magic won't tank. Sooner you get over it faster you'll have better time enjoying present over losing in present for future that might never arrive. Also most superstars are not developed, they come in nba and are that good.
Also there is no scenario where Bamba and Isaac lead team to rings so it's pointless to even act there might can if Magic pull up some God-like guard from draft, who, btw is not existing in 2019 lottery

[Skin]

We should have tanked last year. That was the year to do it. We failed. Right now we are in the thick of the playoff hunt. We are not going to tank now. Even if we did there's not enough time to catch the other bad teams. Plus the new lottery odds make it hard too. At this point we may as well ride it out try to make the playoffs. We are playing some solid basketball right now so we got a shot.

Next year, people will say "We should've tanked last year". It will be excrutiating after a few years when we see the Superstars that come from this draft.