Old Man Game wrote:slick_watts wrote:hardenASG13 wrote:You've got to be kidding those discussions have been held at length, multiple times on this board. Wow. If you didn't participate, which I doubt, I know you read them. I know Marcus smart, tj warren, have been brought up. It's basically every offseason, I'm not gonna spend hours combing hundreds of pages to find specifics.
you said things like this:hardenASG13 wrote:Lastly, he's not better than Avery Bradley, it isn't close. He's arguably better on defense, nothing more, and Bradley is night and day the better offensive and overall player. Can't believe that's even being discussed, honestly, even by a Roberson fan. Would be curious if other supporters are that delusional as well?
a nice, thoughtful reply to you with a ton of evidence that roberson is better than bradley generated this response from you:hardenASG13 wrote:Wow so much substance! They need to play cam payne!! Perks presence is valuable, Cleveland got a steal! Robes!
this is the kind of 'discussion' we go through back and forth when it comes to andre roberson and the thunder. you making some thin claim without any sort of evidence or back-up and telling people to trust you because of your basketball credentials. someone provides some evidence and you mock them for posting stats or something and nearly every time you were wrong. we went through four or five players you promised would be superior to andre roberson, and none of them were. you're doing a victory lap now even though one of those players you purport to 'not believe in' has replaced him in the lineup supposedly galvanizing your claim. it's silly.
when you suggested that sam presti should upgrade the position, here is how i replied:slick_watts wrote:i agree wholeheartedly with you if there was an opportunity to upgrade starting shooting guard with a better player than andre roberson, then that should have been pursued. certainly if you've put any thought into these posts you have some examples for us...? you say they are always available. who are they?
this is how everyone replied to you. i even listed a bunch of names during that discussion. you suggested players like bradley, who is terrible. you went back and talked about dion waiters, who is terrible. you talked about alex abrines, and that was much worse. no one on this board made the argument to you that andre roberson is not replaceable. you are making that up in this thread in order to create an enemy for you to fight against. but nobody is going to fall for it.
when the thunder got off to a slow start while 'dre was dealing with knee tendonitis, this was your position:hardenASG13 wrote:Why would a defensive lineup of Westbrook, george, melo,patterson(or grant, or abrines, or huestis even) and Adams struggle so much that they would need the great Andre Roberson to save them?
nobody was arguing with you that roberson was irreplaceable. everyone was telling you those lineups wouldn't work on defense, and a big reason was because of westbrook and carmelo. but you believed that the uptick offensively with melo in there and a 'competent replacement' for roberson would improve the lineups. you were wrong.
eventually you posted this:hardenASG13 wrote:Carmelo and abrines aren't the turnstiles defensively you and others claim they are.
...ok?
i'm not going to go through any more of these posts but i just wanted to point out what was actually being discussed at the time and how you are creating false positions to argue against. we knew carmelo was a scrub on defense and everyone knew that andre roberson was necessary for that defense to function. this is what you were arguing against in preseason last year, and early on in the season, and after he got hurt and brewer was acquired.
the thunder defense has been elite without andre roberson this year, but the conditions are not the same as they were the year before when they were accommodating carmelo anthony in the starting lineup. several realgm'ers even posited that it's possible the defense could recover a lot by virtue of losing melo / adding noel. it's great that the defense is working out! does that mean that a healthy andre roberson wouldn't improve the team even more? of course not. but for some reason that's the argument you want to make. probably because it's unfalsifiable for the time being.
if there is a thing you should be gloating about it's the apparent development of jerami grant, which is definitely a thing you got correct and a lot of other people did not.
so stop trying to fool everyone. we all know where you stood on these issues and even taking a cursory look back on the pages and pages of roberson discussion from last summer / season there's a lot more i could put up here to demonstrate my point. but i think this'll do for now.
I'm not invested in this discussion at all but I have to ask, how the **** did you find all these old quotes? Is there some customized search or something on this site or elsewhere?
Haha right? Musta taken hours! You could make anyone look bad combing through years of quotes, especially slick watts
