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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc 

Post#121 » by Knightro » Thu Dec 6, 2018 9:30 pm

JF5 wrote:This team could land a star via trade while simultaneously clearing the books and you could get potentially get a Durant/Kawhi or a Kemba/Klay through Free-Agency if you have a 2-Star combo like a Beal or Wall/Vucevic in place. IF the right moves are made you can have a potential "Big-3" in Orlando.

With Weltman/Hammond having the experience as opposed to Hennigan I believe it can happen.


MAYBE the Magic have a chance at Kemba simply because of the Clifford connection, but neither of the other two guys you mentioned are realistic obviously.

More realistically, the Magic are looking at adding lotto pick in the 8-12 range and a starting caliber PG in free agency to this existing roster.

If they win 35 this year and miss the playoffs, but add Terry Rozier or D'Angelo Russell in free agency and Kevin Porter Jr. or Romeo Langford in the draft to the current roster, that would seemingly be enough to put them into the playoffs for the next few years.

At that point, their ceiling would then be directly tied to how good Isaac, Bamba, this year's draft pick (and to a lesser extent Gordon) all end up becoming.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc 

Post#122 » by Blue_and_Whte » Thu Dec 6, 2018 9:37 pm

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pepe1991 wrote:Magic won't tank. Sooner you get over it faster you'll have better time enjoying present over losing in present for future that might never arrive. Also most superstars are not developed, they come in nba and are that good.
Also there is no scenario where Bamba and Isaac lead team to rings so it's pointless to even act there might can if Magic pull up some God-like guard from draft, who, btw is not existing in 2019 lottery

A hope in a future is better than no hope in the future.


New sig for this season? Might be a winner.

Sig of the season? That's like saying "Better to have gas in your car than not have gas in your car" NO ****? What a PROFOUND observation! :lol:

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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc 

Post#123 » by VFX » Thu Dec 6, 2018 9:40 pm

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Skin wrote:A hope in a future is better than no hope in the future.


New sig for this season? Might be a winner.

Sig of the season? That's like saying "Better to have gas in your car than not have gas in your car" NO ****? What a PROFOUND observation! :lol:

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I’ll let you enjoy Vuc carrying this team to the next few years of first round exits. This is a great time for you, embrace it.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc 

Post#124 » by PrimeThyme » Thu Dec 6, 2018 9:46 pm

The crazy thing with Bamba is if you didn't watch him play and just looked at the stats they tell a whole different story. In only 16 mpg he is averaging 6.7 ppg, 5 rpg, 1.1 apg, 1.3 bpg, 50 fg%, and 37% from 3 with a 113 ortg and a 107 Drtg. He has a 16.7 PER and his per 36 numbers are 14.3 ppg, 9.5 rpg, 2.3 apg, and 2.8 bpg as a rookie. While also having a 2.9 Dbpm and a 1.9 BPM overall. His BPM is higher than Aytons, Doncic, Bagely, WCJ, and many others.

One of the reasons I always say on this board that you can't just take stats alone at face value is for examples like these. If you just looked at the stats everything tells you that he should be playing 25+ or even 30+ minutes but if you actually watch him play you understand why he isnt. He just isn't ready. Guys just go straight at him on defense and nothing but more summers in the weight room and in the gym is going to stop that from happening. More minutes aren't going to make him play harder either.

Him adding size, working on his game, and deciding to start playing with full effort is what is going to get him more minutes. I have seen nothing up to this point that suggests he should be our starter this year or next year. Bamba starting over Vuc next year would just hold our other young guys like Isaac and AG back. I'm for a 2-3 year contract for Vuc and us holding on to him until Bamba is ready. All of Bambas problems right now aren't things that more minutes will fix imo, its work in the offseason that he is going to have to put in to get better.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc 

Post#125 » by Blue_and_Whte » Thu Dec 6, 2018 9:49 pm

MagicMatic wrote:
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New sig for this season? Might be a winner.

Sig of the season? That's like saying "Better to have gas in your car than not have gas in your car" NO ****? What a PROFOUND observation! :lol:

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I’ll let you enjoy Vuc carrying this team to the next few years of first round exits. This is a great time for you, embrace it.


Better to enjoy things.... than to not enjoy things
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Not sure how that has ANYTHING to do with Nik but either way I'm just busting your balls... calm down.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc 

Post#126 » by VFX » Thu Dec 6, 2018 9:50 pm

Blue_and_Whte wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:
Blue_and_Whte wrote:Sig of the season? That's like saying "Better to have gas in your car than not have gas in your car" NO ****? What a PROFOUND observation! :lol:

"Confucius say Sky blue, water wet"
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I’ll let you enjoy Vuc carrying this team to the next few years of first round exits. This is a great time for you, embrace it.


Better to enjoy things.... than to not enjoy things
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Not sure how that has ANYTHING to do with Nik but either way I'm just busting your balls... calm down.


:lol: oh we are gif happy today I see.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc 

Post#127 » by Blue_and_Whte » Thu Dec 6, 2018 9:53 pm

PrimeThyme wrote:The crazy thing with Bamba is if you didn't watch him play and just looked at the stats they tell a whole different story. In only 16 mpg he is averaging 6.7 ppg, 5 rpg, 1.1 apg, 1.3 bpg, 50 fg%, and 37% from 3 with a 113 ortg and a 107 Drtg. He has a 16.7 PER and his per 36 numbers are 14.3 ppg, 9.5 rpg, 2.3 apg, and 2.8 bpg as a rookie. While also having a 2.9 Dbpm and a 1.9 BPM overall. His BPM is higher than Aytons, Doncic, Bagely, WCJ, and many others.

One of the reasons I always say on this board that you can't just take stats alone at face value is for examples like these. If you just looked at the stats everything tells you that he should be playing 25+ or even 30+ minutes but if you actually watch him play you understand why he isnt. He just isn't ready. Guys just go straight at him on defense and nothing but more summers in the weight room and in the gym is going to stop that from happening. More minutes aren't going to make him play harder either.

Him adding size, working on his game, and deciding to start playing with full effort is what is going to get him more minutes. I have seen nothing up to this point that suggests he should be our starter this year or next year. Bamba starting over Vuc next year would just hold our other young guys like Isaac and AG back. I'm for a 2-3 year contract for Vuc and us holding on to him until Bamba is ready. All of Bambas problems right now aren't things that more minutes will fix imo, its work in the offseason that he is going to have to put in to get better.

Exactly!! Thats why I get so PISSED when he does nothing. Look at last night. He turned it up to 2 and had an impact. Image if he played with half the intensity of Bam Adebayo. Its obvious that the coaches or may be the players told him that he needed to pick it up but either way I hope it lasts.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc 

Post#128 » by Bergmaniac » Thu Dec 6, 2018 10:16 pm

Bamba's actual offensive rating which shows how many points the team scores per 100 possessions while he is on the court is 94.2, which is terrible (basketball-reference.com's individual offensive ratings are useless), and so is his net rating (team's worst by far at -16.7). Not only his fault, of course, he plays mostly with a poor second unit, but you can't play him more minutes if you want to have a shot at the playoffs, Vucevic's passing and reliable scoring are irreplaceable on this roster.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc 

Post#129 » by PrimeThyme » Thu Dec 6, 2018 10:32 pm

The good news is this type of transformation:

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Can still be in the cards for Mo if he puts in the work in the weight room these next few offseasons. If he does and his intensity and engagement on defense gets better I'm confident that he can be a great defender in this league one day. && a very good offensive one too. Him getting bigger is really just going to help every facet of his game. Rebounding, Post position on offense and defense, etc.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc 

Post#130 » by Def Swami » Thu Dec 6, 2018 10:34 pm

My overall feelings on tanking have really changed over the last 6 years. I can get on board with tanking OR a playoff pursuit. I don't know that one strategy is surely better than the other. But the execution of either strategy has to be smart and competent. The Magic have tanked and tried to make playoff pushes over the last 6 seasons, but they never committed to a Philly-like Process while missing out on franchise players, and squandered assets and cap space along the way while trying to make the playoffs. They've mismanaged both strategies.

I absolutely agree that the draft is the absolute best way to find a true superstar talent that can carry a franchise. Especially for a small market team that has difficulty attracting free agents or "pre-agents" as Jalen Rose and Bill Simmons coined. Daryl Morey once said in an interview that their analytics people have consistently found "tanking" is the best chance to turnaround the fortunes of a franchise. The data proves it. And success in the NBA does revolve around those players who are typically drafted in the top 3-5.

At the same time, 6 out of the current top 8 teams in the NBA (based on record) currently never really "tanked" in the true sense of the strategy. In the last 6 seasons, several other NBA teams have lapped the Magic in development without having ever truly having to tank. You can fault the Magic for never going full "Process." You can also blame them for never maximizing the picks that they have had. It's not like they haven't had the opportunity to draft some good players over the years.

I don't believe that tanking is the only way to build a successful team with long term success. Teams like the Toronto Raptors, Milwaukee Bucks, Denver Nuggets for example were able to become successful with superstar talents on their rosters. Those teams have some of the best young prospects in the league without really tanking (aside for the 2013-2014 Bucks). The Houston Rockets and Utah Jazz are struggling, but they are two other examples of teams that didn't tank over the last 6 years. Even the Golden State Warriors never drafted higher than 7th. These other teams maximized the draft picks and assets that they did have, built a culture of winning, and set a standard of expectations for themselves. They hit on their picks, made smart trades, and made smart free agency signings.

There are pitfalls and case scenarios of badness in both strategies. For every OKC Thunder, there's a 14 year playoff drought like the Sacramento Kings. And for every Milwaukee Bucks success story, there's a Charlotte Hornets treadmill.

If you asked me at the beginning of the season what this team should do, I was absolutely on board with just tanking again. I also never anticipated Terrence Ross shooting 41% from deep, Augustin shooting 40% from deep and having one of the best A:TO ratios in the league, Gordon developing into a really efficient, stable, high-energy defender, and Vucevic turning into one of the best centers in the league. Give Steve Clifford credit. He has really gotten the absolute best out of this team and every player.

However, I don't mind the Magic striving for the playoffs. I don't mind being wrong about how good this team could be. I just want them to pick a direction for the team (tank or playoffs) and pursue it head on. So long as they don't make moves that sacrifice the long term growth of the team and future flexibility, I'm fine with a 8th seed pursuit. There's definitely merit to it.

I still believe in the value of building a culture. The culture around our organization has been so toxic, which is one of those side effects of 6 years of losing without a plan in sight (honestly, I feel like the Suns are going to fall victim to this). The players need to know how to play a winning brand of basketball. They need to know how to practice. And someone had to preach the level of consistency, effort, and professionalism that the team needs to carry themselves with. It was one of the biggest detriments to the development of our players over the 6 year rebuild. One of the biggest indictments of the last 6 years of the Orlando Magic is the development of players like Victor Oladipo and Tobias Harris. It shouldn't have taken Oladipo and Harris leaving for them to realize their true potential as star players in the league. You might as well pack it in and go home if the plan is to keep drafting high while never maximizing the growth of your players. I'm glad Weltman and Hammond totally overhauled their player development department.

Teams have a brand and players around the league know and see it. There are certain teams that have a stability and structure that is respected around the league, and other teams are a clown show. The Magic needed to clean house and they needed someone like Clifford to come in and prevent them from becoming Kings East. The Magic want to build what the Heat have built. Good teams like the Spurs, Celtics, Raptors, for more examples have established that credibility around the league. Players absolutely respect it. The Clippers are trying to build that now. They had the opportunity to tank the season, but that team knows better than any what it's like to be in the doldrums of the NBA for years and years and how it can deteriorate the morale of a franchise and how that manifests into the perception of a clown show by other players. They're showing other teams and free agents that they're a serious and credible team. Players like Kawhi Leonard, Kevin Durant, and Jimmy Butler will notice that. This is what Woj was talking about with Bobby Marks in their last podcast when they say the Magic want to make the playoffs to establish some credibility in the league. This is what Clifford was talking about changing in the post-game press conference after losing to the Clippers. And I'm totally on board with that.

The other issue is that the Magic just frankly won't tank. They don't want to and can't afford to. It's really easy for us argue that it's the best strategy for the team until we're blue in the face. But we aren't subjected to financial burden that places on a small market teams. Small market teams just can't sustain a "Process-like" run. Small market teams rely on their TV deals and season ticket holders to generate revenue. Anyone here who has ever been to a season-ticket holder event can attest to a heavy, burning desire among them to have a watchable, winning product to watch, and the Magic ownership and front office absolutely feels that. Fan interest has plummeted over the last few years, and as games become meaningless after November, ratings on Fox Sports nosedive as well. The Magic just can't afford to lose that fan interest, and they can't afford to lose anymore season ticket holders. The Magic don't have the TV deal that teams like the Knicks or Lakers have and don't sell merchandise like those teams where they can sustain years and years of losing. It's why you rarely see small market teams pursue the strategy. It's just tough financially.

It comes back to how the front office goes about it. I don't mind them pursuing the playoffs. The team is relatively average, but they do have some interesting assets and players that other teams covet. They have some young players who have potential to grow in Isaac, Gordon, and Bamba. I really am not worried about Bamba's development being hindered. I'd rather he play in a winning environment, and he's in the right role for what he's capable of at the moment. There's some potential cap space opening in the off-season. There are potential trade assets. And there's still a 2019 1st round pick to come. I'm more than open and willing to see how Weltman and Hammond play this out.
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Post#131 » by Bergmaniac » Thu Dec 6, 2018 11:08 pm

Great point about small market teams not being able to go "full process". It just costs too much.

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Post#132 » by VFX » Thu Dec 6, 2018 11:24 pm

Nobody should really be proposing a tank. It’s obvious the front office would rather win. That’s fine, but I would like to see what can be built via trade and the recent lottery picks for the future. That’s a better option rather than pushing this mediocre roster of guys that have been starters here since Hennigan.

Was there ever a true “rebuild” after Hennigan? Elfrid, a head coaching change, and Ross have been the only major changes. Everything else is just drafting players to come off the bench.
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Post#133 » by OrlandO » Fri Dec 7, 2018 12:15 am

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Its not just about the talent. All the stars aligned last year for a major tank season. There were 2 players for me that were everything we needed and that's Doncic and Young. We had tons of injuries, and the lottery odds hadn't changed so we knew where we needed to be. That Wizards game is the one that will haunt me for the rest of my days. :( With these new odds who knows where a good spot to be is. If we traded Vuc and Evan before the season started I woulda been all for it. But how can you do it now? Issac and Gordon look energized playing these meaningfull games. They actually believe they can make the playoffs. How could you take that from them without it causing a negtive effect?


Which is why they won’t do it. Management played their hand poorly and this team will live in mediocrity if they feel forced to double down on a lengthy Vuc contract instead of committing to a real rebuild post Hennigan. Bamba and Isaac off the bench doesn’t scream “rebuild” at all. Bamba plays the least amount of minutes of all top 10 picks because Vuc needs to be on the floor for us to sustain a celebrated 12-13 record in the east. But that’s what you get when you hire a win now coach and you lack superstar talent. I’m not saying to tank, just that I wish we were rebuilding with our youth instead of living in the middle. :dontknow:

I guess as a fan I should just shut up and accept the impending mediocrity. About all I could do rather than agree/ disagree with other Magic fans on the direction of this franchise.

Yep, I just wanted this year to be a developmental year. Would've been nice to see Isaac make a big jump. Bamba playing 3rd fiddle to Gordon and Isaac. Would they take lumps? Sure... but at least the team is relying on their future core. Isaac just can't take a big jump with veterans like Evan and Vuc being main components.

If our future core is going to remain sticking with Evan and Vuc then we're in trouble. I don't care what their individual stats say...good or bad.

The failure to trade them has resulted in a blurred vision and false hopes.

lol this IS a developmental year. You just can't wrap your head around what development looks like for projects. I'll tell you what throwing BIG in the deep end together would look like... it would look like crap. They wouldn't just take lumps... they would be broken up in a year. Your future core would be obliterated before it even had a chance to take off. But if you can put them in a situation where they're making the playoffs... building good habits in roles they can handle instead of sabotaging each other in roles they can't handle... then you extend their shelf life on the team while they develop... that gives them time to align.

Vuc is playing like an all star, AG is playing well off him, Isaac is focusing on being an impact defender, we're in the playoff hunt, and Bamba looks like a project... if this holds up it will be a no-brainer for the front office to offer Vuc a 3 year deal. They're not going to be in a rush to start Bamba if it means making the game harder for AG and Isaac.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc 

Post#134 » by Skin » Fri Dec 7, 2018 12:47 am

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Which is why they won’t do it. Management played their hand poorly and this team will live in mediocrity if they feel forced to double down on a lengthy Vuc contract instead of committing to a real rebuild post Hennigan. Bamba and Isaac off the bench doesn’t scream “rebuild” at all. Bamba plays the least amount of minutes of all top 10 picks because Vuc needs to be on the floor for us to sustain a celebrated 12-13 record in the east. But that’s what you get when you hire a win now coach and you lack superstar talent. I’m not saying to tank, just that I wish we were rebuilding with our youth instead of living in the middle. :dontknow:

I guess as a fan I should just shut up and accept the impending mediocrity. About all I could do rather than agree/ disagree with other Magic fans on the direction of this franchise.

Yep, I just wanted this year to be a developmental year. Would've been nice to see Isaac make a big jump. Bamba playing 3rd fiddle to Gordon and Isaac. Would they take lumps? Sure... but at least the team is relying on their future core. Isaac just can't take a big jump with veterans like Evan and Vuc being main components.

If our future core is going to remain sticking with Evan and Vuc then we're in trouble. I don't care what their individual stats say...good or bad.

The failure to trade them has resulted in a blurred vision and false hopes.

lol this IS a developmental year. You just can't wrap your head around what development looks like for projects. I'll tell you what throwing BIG in the deep end together would look like... it would look like crap. They wouldn't just take lumps... they would be broken up in a year. Your future core would be obliterated before it even had a chance to take off. But if you can put them in a situation where they're making the playoffs... building good habits in roles they can handle instead of sabotaging each other in roles they can't handle... then you extend their shelf life on the team while they develop... that gives them time to align.

Vuc is playing like an all star, AG is playing well off him, Isaac is focusing on being an impact defender, we're in the playoff hunt, and Bamba looks like a project... if this holds up it will be a no-brainer for the front office to offer Vuc a 3 year deal. They're not going to be in a rush to start Bamba if it means making the game harder for AG and Isaac.

They wouldn't be broken up in a year. Contractually that would be impossible. Trade wise, that would be ridiculous to assume that WeHam would give up on them so quickly. They'd be taking lumps and it would be very acceptable... even if they were hypothetically losing, we could just as easily say they would be hypothetically having flashes of nice games here and there where they would be able to build confidence off their successes. At the end of the season we would be in position to snatch another top selection.

Playing off the bench and watching others is useful for a few games... maybe even a few weeks... but an entire season is ridiculous. You have coaches for providing the need to learn. Vets can help off the court. Sitting and watching provides minimal development in comparison to playing games.

Giving Vuc a new 3 year deal is just telling us that Bamba didn't need to be drafted and that WeHam failed in their evaluation of Vuc last year. If we loved him that much, then we should've then made a move to trade up in the draft.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc 

Post#135 » by Skin » Fri Dec 7, 2018 12:54 am

PrimeThyme wrote:The good news is this type of transformation:

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Can still be in the cards for Mo if he puts in the work in the weight room these next few offseasons. If he does and his intensity and engagement on defense gets better I'm confident that he can be a great defender in this league one day. && a very good offensive one too. Him getting bigger is really just going to help every facet of his game. Rebounding, Post position on offense and defense, etc.

Mighty Mo is definitely going to be a force once he fills out his man suit.

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Post#136 » by Ducklett » Fri Dec 7, 2018 1:13 am

MagicMatic wrote:
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I’ll let you enjoy Vuc carrying this team to the next few years of first round exits. This is a great time for you, embrace it.


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Not sure how that has ANYTHING to do with Nik but either way I'm just busting your balls... calm down.


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Post#137 » by RickB-Orlando » Fri Dec 7, 2018 1:37 am

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MagicMatic wrote:The more important point is that he will not be seeing more time if they decide to offer Vuc a long lucrative contract, which is what he will be asking for in his prime.

Bamba doesn’t look good on the court because he plays backup minutes while other rookies might look bad, but are given a longer leash for growing pains and play through mistakes.

To be clear, I was fine with Bamba playing less minutes under Vuc this season as long as it was obvious Bamba could step in as a starter soon. That is less likely with Vuc putting up career numbers. Bambas playing time isn’t a concern to you, but I see what the implications could be.


Mo's timeline on stepping in as a starter all depends on Mo himself, does it not?

If Bamba opens next season in the same 15-20 MPG role as the backup C behind Vucevic, but rather than struggling he just DOMINATES his minutes and looks like Gobert with a 3PT shot, the Magic would quite obviously just trade Vucevic at that point, would they not?


Stop talking logic. Mo must start now, even if he is struggling and Vuc is playing like an all star. It is preordained and cannot be denied.
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Post#138 » by VFX » Fri Dec 7, 2018 2:00 am

RickB-Orlando wrote:
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MagicMatic wrote:The more important point is that he will not be seeing more time if they decide to offer Vuc a long lucrative contract, which is what he will be asking for in his prime.

Bamba doesn’t look good on the court because he plays backup minutes while other rookies might look bad, but are given a longer leash for growing pains and play through mistakes.

To be clear, I was fine with Bamba playing less minutes under Vuc this season as long as it was obvious Bamba could step in as a starter soon. That is less likely with Vuc putting up career numbers. Bambas playing time isn’t a concern to you, but I see what the implications could be.


Mo's timeline on stepping in as a starter all depends on Mo himself, does it not?

If Bamba opens next season in the same 15-20 MPG role as the backup C behind Vucevic, but rather than struggling he just DOMINATES his minutes and looks like Gobert with a 3PT shot, the Magic would quite obviously just trade Vucevic at that point, would they not?


Stop talking logic. Mo must start now, even if he is struggling and Vuc is playing like an all star. It is preordained and cannot be denied.


Again, nobody said once he should be starting over Vuc.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc 

Post#140 » by MagicFan4Lyfe » Fri Dec 7, 2018 3:49 am

Skin wrote:
PrimeThyme wrote:The good news is this type of transformation:

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Can still be in the cards for Mo if he puts in the work in the weight room these next few offseasons. If he does and his intensity and engagement on defense gets better I'm confident that he can be a great defender in this league one day. && a very good offensive one too. Him getting bigger is really just going to help every facet of his game. Rebounding, Post position on offense and defense, etc.

Mighty Mo is definitely going to be a force once he fills out his man suit.

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He will be a force when in Year 4 of his rookie deal we decline his rookie option because we didn't give him minutes to develop and see what he has. Spends 4 years on the bench backing up Vuc.... leaves for greener pastures. Magic start Rebuild 4.0 in 2022-2023 with Martin's promise of a title by 2030 coming to fruition.
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