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"you ungrateful people don't know what you got, you should be more appreciative for the fact that one of the greatest basketball minds in the game is the owner of your favorite team and you are going to miss me when I'm gone"
- Bob
Ghost of Kleine wrote:Trying to think up a fair trade or two, wherein we could add a couple of veteran defensive players that bring constant energy and heart, and that dirtworker junkyard dog attitude.
Any ideas on how to acquire players like a Dejounte' Murray from the spurs, Covington from the Sixers, maybe then pick up luc mbah amoute' in free agency, and last but not least, maxi Kleber from Dallas????......
Any thoughts on the top 3 defensive possibilities that we realistically could add to our bench through trades or free agency?.....
I'd try a simple trade like this seriously!!!.....
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybdkqjmc .
Phoenix/Clippers: Phoenix sends the 15 million expiring contract of Ariza , and the Milwaukee pick to the Clippers, in exchange for milos teosodic, Patrick Beverley, and the 4 million expiring contract of Luc mbah amoute'.
Then trade 2- http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yc94hbgm .
Phoenix suns /San Antonio spurs: Phoenix sends Elie Okobo, The expiring contract of Dragan Bender, Troy Daniels, and a Phoenix future first round pick,
In exchange for Dejounte Murray, and the expiring contract of Rudy Gay.
Last trade to consider: Phoenix/Dallas- http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ya2erk7b .
Phoenix sends Josh Jackson and De Anthony Melton to Dallas, in exchange for Maxi Kleber, the expiring contract of J.J. Barea, and Jalen Brunson.
Phoenix can add a conditional future first or a 2nd round pick to get it done if necessary.
So assuming the suns do these trades, The new roster depth could look something like this:
Point guard- Dejounte Murray/ Patrick Beverley/ Jalen Brunson.
Shooting guard- Devin Booker/ Dejounte Murray/ lot to pick?( Barrett or Reddish).
Small Forward- T.J. Warren/ Mikhail Bridges/ Free agent/ ? R.J. Barrett?....Or Cam Reddish?
Power Forward- Luc mbah a moute'/ Taj Gibson/ Zion Williamson/Maxi Kleber?( Sagabe Konate?)
Center- De Andre' Ayton/ Richaun Holmes/ Maxi Kleber/Kyle O'quinn?
RaisingArizona wrote:Booker got into it with Ayton last night. I don't think he likes him and is realizing we made a huge mistake drafting him. I'd look to move on from Ayton for a nice haul. I don't think you can teach effort and he will not be a star without that great work ethic, athletic skills alone are not enough in the NBA. Hate away but I see another JJ where I called bust way before many of you did or even to this day still want to acknowledge.
BobbieL wrote:RaisingArizona wrote:Booker got into it with Ayton last night. I don't think he likes him and is realizing we made a huge mistake drafting him. I'd look to move on from Ayton for a nice haul. I don't think you can teach effort and he will not be a star without that great work ethic, athletic skills alone are not enough in the NBA. Hate away but I see another JJ where I called bust way before many of you did or even to this day still want to acknowledge.
My pick was Doncic
I think Ryan picked Ayton for a few reasons
1) he is the Center the organization never had
2) he was the easy pick - but if he knew he was getting fired maybe he picks Doncic
3) he was the easy pick
Granted, I also knew Doncic would play better in Year 1 and that Ayton was a more of a project - so judging each player now is too early.
JDJ26 wrote:Doncic wouldn't do any better in this environment. The team would still be a mess.
RaisingArizona wrote:JDJ26 wrote:Doncic wouldn't do any better in this environment. The team would still be a mess.
No doubt but my point was salvaging his value while it's still high. We're doomed with Sarver at the helm anyways so it's a moot point but the fact that Ayton is already pissing Booker off on the sidelines is just peak Suns
JDJ26 wrote:RaisingArizona wrote:JDJ26 wrote:Doncic wouldn't do any better in this environment. The team would still be a mess.
No doubt but my point was salvaging his value while it's still high. We're doomed with Sarver at the helm anyways so it's a moot point but the fact that Ayton is already pissing Booker off on the sidelines is just peak Suns
The media, both local and national, need to call out the team management. Especially Sarver.
I noticed they always criticize the players but never Sarver.
Barkley or Amin need to go on a rant about Sarver.
wheezy wrote:JDJ26 wrote:RaisingArizona wrote:
No doubt but my point was salvaging his value while it's still high. We're doomed with Sarver at the helm anyways so it's a moot point but the fact that Ayton is already pissing Booker off on the sidelines is just peak Suns
The media, both local and national, need to call out the team management. Especially Sarver.
I noticed they always criticize the players but never Sarver.
Barkley or Amin need to go on a rant about Sarver.
Amin can f off before he goes on any kind of rant. And pretty sure the management gets called out in the media.
RaisingArizona wrote:Booker got into it with Ayton last night. I don't think he likes him and is realizing we made a huge mistake drafting him. I'd look to move on from Ayton for a nice haul. I don't think you can teach effort and he will not be a star without that great work ethic, athletic skills alone are not enough in the NBA. Hate away but I see another JJ where I called bust way before many of you did or even to this day still want to acknowledge.
GoodBehavior wrote:Ayton has been far from perfect, but I don't think any rookie deserves the kind of negativity he's getting. I was listening to the Blazers' announcers and they more or less think he's a project / bust level. They were raving non stop about JJJ and Doncic. Other fans on other websites are also crapping on him.
It's a bit more disheartening that Suns fan are also turning on him. It seems like he gets blame for everything. Suns' guard play has been abysmal but all anyone can talk about is how bad Ayton has been.
People need to cut this kid some slack
From rookie Mikal Bridges and Kokoskov having friction during the game to Deandre Ayton and Devin Booker exchanging words afterward, there’s clearly tension and a disconnect with this team right now.
On the court. Suns trailed 34-9 at the end of the first quarter two days after having an equally bad start against the Kings.
On the bench. From Jamal Crawford, one of the more positive players in the NBA, slamming the ball on the floor at the end of the third quarter to the friction on the bench between Bridges and Kokoskov, the frustration was apparent.
“How long have you been around basketball,” Suns veteran Trevor Ariza asked a reporter in a calm voice when asked what the conversations are like on the bench when trailing by 25 after the first quarter.
“So what do you think the conversation would be like after that?
“Probably not very positive."
Ariza laughed.
“Exactly,” he said. “Not too happy, but again, that’s on us for not playing hard.”
After the game. Phoenix’s top two players, Booker and Ayton, exchanged words after the 10-minute cooling off period as members of the media entered the visiting locker room for the tail end of that conversation.
These two have had words before on the court, with Booker correcting Ayton on what to do on certain plays. Both have agreed to hold players accountable, but this felt different.
“I’m an emotional guy, too,” Ayton said. “I start to feel stuff. When I don’t sense it and the energy is not there, that’s when you start to hear my mouth. I don’t care who it is. Nineteen-year vet or 15 years, it don’t matter. We all have a job to do and I have to step it up a little more, too.”
Preacherpj wrote:I'm worried the Suns are going to do something monumentally stupid soon.
I'm all for acquiring good young veterans, but this has a bad feel to it.
If anything makes me feel better; its that Robert Sarver has a history of being cheap. That might scare him away from John Wall and that poison contract.