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Fanbase Rookie Approval Rating: Dzanan Musa

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Do you approve or disapprove of the Dzanan Musa pick?

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Fanbase Rookie Approval Rating: Dzanan Musa 

Post#1 » by EvanZ » Sun Dec 9, 2018 5:53 pm

Hey so I'm embarking on a litte project to compile fanbase approval ratings for the rookies your team drafted (or traded for on Draft night). Very simple poll like a Presidential approval. Use whatever subjective or objective criteria you feel is necessary to decide.
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EvanZ wrote:Hey so I'm embarking on a litte project to compile fanbase approval ratings for the rookies your team drafted (or traded for on Draft night). Very simple poll like a Presidential approval. Use whatever subjective or objective criteria you feel is necessary to decide.


Hi, you might want to do one for Rodion Kurucs as well, since he is currently in the team's rotation and is primed to get more mins as the season progresses.
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Re: Fanbase Rookie Approval Rating: Dzanan Musa 

Post#3 » by EvanZ » Sun Dec 9, 2018 6:15 pm

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EvanZ wrote:Hey so I'm embarking on a litte project to compile fanbase approval ratings for the rookies your team drafted (or traded for on Draft night). Very simple poll like a Presidential approval. Use whatever subjective or objective criteria you feel is necessary to decide.


Hi, you might want to do one for Rodion Kurucs as well, since he is currently in the team's rotation and is primed to get more mins as the season progresses.


I wanted to do first round first and see how the response is. If it goes well, I'll do a second round.
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Post#4 » by DeRoma » Sun Dec 9, 2018 6:21 pm

I disapproved on draft night and i'm still on that boat. I don't think he'll ever crack the starting rotation. Maybe 7th-8th man.
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Post#5 » by DarkXaero » Sun Dec 9, 2018 7:50 pm

He hasn't had the minutes in the NBA so far, due to our guard depth, but he's doing really well in the G-league last I checked. He's still very young and has a developed offensive game.
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Post#6 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Dec 9, 2018 11:03 pm

DeRoma wrote:I disapproved on draft night and i'm still on that boat. I don't think he'll ever crack the starting rotation. Maybe 7th-8th man.


He's 19.
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Re: Fanbase Rookie Approval Rating: Dzanan Musa 

Post#7 » by shakendfries » Sun Dec 9, 2018 11:39 pm

Musa has played well in the D-League and has the support of fans.

But Kenny is a fair coach. If someone isn't getting minutes, there's probably a reason.

In this case, Musa is young and will likely have a tight leash, going back and forth from the d-league, just like Milton Doyle



But rest assured, Musa will get PT - probably more-so towards the end of the season. Marks and Atkinson gave Spencer Dinwiddie real chance to contribute to the Nets. Once Lin went down, and minutes opened up, Spencer worked hard to work hard to carve a role in the NBA.

There is nothing wrong with playing in the D-League. Musa needs to be ready to rise to the occasion when the opportunity arises.
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Post#8 » by SpeedyG » Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:12 pm

Not sure how this can be anything but a positive. He's 19 and showing progress and potential to be a 6'9 playmaker.

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Post#9 » by DeRoma » Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:53 pm

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DeRoma wrote:I disapproved on draft night and i'm still on that boat. I don't think he'll ever crack the starting rotation. Maybe 7th-8th man.


He's 19.

I mean you can say the same thing Kurucs. He can definitely improve I just don't see it.
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Post#10 » by DeRoma » Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:57 pm

shakendfries wrote:Musa has played well in the D-League and has the support of fans.

But Kenny is a fair coach. If someone isn't getting minutes, there's probably a reason.

In this case, Musa is young and will likely have a tight leash, going back and forth from the d-league, just like Milton Doyle



But rest assured, Musa will get PT - probably more-so towards the end of the season. Marks and Atkinson gave Spencer Dinwiddie real chance to contribute to the Nets. Once Lin went down, and minutes opened up, Spencer worked hard to work hard to carve a role in the NBA.

There is nothing wrong with playing in the D-League. Musa needs to be ready to rise to the occasion when the opportunity arises.


LeVert went down and he would play the exact same role . as Levert does. While I do see little progression, think it says a lot that Kurucs is getting PT while he can't.
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Re: Fanbase Rookie Approval Rating: Dzanan Musa 

Post#11 » by Claud » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:23 pm

DeRoma wrote:
shakendfries wrote:Musa has played well in the D-League and has the support of fans.

But Kenny is a fair coach. If someone isn't getting minutes, there's probably a reason.

In this case, Musa is young and will likely have a tight leash, going back and forth from the d-league, just like Milton Doyle



But rest assured, Musa will get PT - probably more-so towards the end of the season. Marks and Atkinson gave Spencer Dinwiddie real chance to contribute to the Nets. Once Lin went down, and minutes opened up, Spencer worked hard to work hard to carve a role in the NBA.

There is nothing wrong with playing in the D-League. Musa needs to be ready to rise to the occasion when the opportunity arises.


LeVert went down and he would play the exact same role . as Levert does. While I do see little progression, think it says a lot that Kurucs is getting PT while he can't.


Little progression? Have you even watched any of our G-league games when Musa is playing?

Compared to when he first started he looks a lot more confident and composed. He's growing and improving in the g-league.

Can't compare him to Kurucs because Kurucs' competition are RHJ/DudleyDMC while Musa has Dinwiddie/Russell/LeVert/Napier in front of him.

He's 19 and is an aggressive 6'9 shot-creator/scorer but is improving in his play-making already. Defensively he is learning to use his heigh/size t to get blocks/rebounds more often.

Musa and Kurucs are the perfect type of prospects you want to get when picking at the end of the 1st round/2nd round...

Not sure what you expected or who.
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Post#12 » by DeRoma » Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:10 pm

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DeRoma wrote:
shakendfries wrote:Musa has played well in the D-League and has the support of fans.

But Kenny is a fair coach. If someone isn't getting minutes, there's probably a reason.

In this case, Musa is young and will likely have a tight leash, going back and forth from the d-league, just like Milton Doyle



But rest assured, Musa will get PT - probably more-so towards the end of the season. Marks and Atkinson gave Spencer Dinwiddie real chance to contribute to the Nets. Once Lin went down, and minutes opened up, Spencer worked hard to work hard to carve a role in the NBA.

There is nothing wrong with playing in the D-League. Musa needs to be ready to rise to the occasion when the opportunity arises.


LeVert went down and he would play the exact same role . as Levert does. While I do see little progression, think it says a lot that Kurucs is getting PT while he can't.


Little progression? Have you even watched any of our G-league games when Musa is playing?

Compared to when he first started he looks a lot more confident and composed. He's growing and improving in the g-league.

Can't compare him to Kurucs because Kurucs' competition are RHJ/DudleyDMC while Musa has Dinwiddie/Russell/LeVert/Napier in front of him.

He's 19 and is an aggressive 6'9 shot-creator/scorer but is improving in his play-making already. Defensively he is learning to use his heigh/size t to get blocks/rebounds more often.

Musa and Kurucs are the perfect type of prospects you want to get when picking at the end of the 1st round/2nd round...

Not sure what you expected or who.

Yes, I watched all of his highlight games and I see LITTLE progression. IDC if he scores 80 points in g-league game.. It's the way he does is what matters and 80% of his plays won't work in the NBA. He is too slow, he is too weak, He is not a good enough finisher, he is too ball dominant especially for the talent he is portraying. While he does have talent, I'd rather see him become a better off-ball player.

ATM we are doing a 3 guard rotation regarding our play-makers. While Kenny plays a 10-11 man depth. You are telling me he can't get any burn? We are obviously lacking in play making which is why we are passing the ball around like a college team in the last few games. Yet, he can't even get a burn?? Be real and objective. Isaiah Whitehead even got into the rotation. While this guy can't even be considered yet.

I don't understand this idea that a younger player is excusable to his action. The fact is it's either you have it or you don't. Practice, development, and maturity do help but just a certain degree especially in the highest level of environment. Like be real, half of these stars are complete degenerates it's just not publicize. You see idiots like agent zero on snapchats making a fool out of himself and bringing guns in the locker room. Yet, he can score 32 a game in a season.

I wanted Elie Okobo and still want him he looks legit once he get an opportunity.
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Post#13 » by shakendfries » Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:26 pm

DeRoma's take is pretty harsh, but he does have a point. Milton Doyle smoked the competition in the D-League last year but couldn't buy a bucket when he got minutes with the Nets last year
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Post#14 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:39 am

He's 19. This is some real short sighted, NetsDaily blog comments crap I'm reading here, but Nets fans are usually ready to dump any player under age of 25 who isn't playing at an all star level so what do you expect.
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Re: Fanbase Rookie Approval Rating: Dzanan Musa 

Post#15 » by SpeedyG » Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:47 am

DeRoma wrote:
Claud wrote:
DeRoma wrote:
LeVert went down and he would play the exact same role . as Levert does. While I do see little progression, think it says a lot that Kurucs is getting PT while he can't.


Little progression? Have you even watched any of our G-league games when Musa is playing?

Compared to when he first started he looks a lot more confident and composed. He's growing and improving in the g-league.

Can't compare him to Kurucs because Kurucs' competition are RHJ/DudleyDMC while Musa has Dinwiddie/Russell/LeVert/Napier in front of him.

He's 19 and is an aggressive 6'9 shot-creator/scorer but is improving in his play-making already. Defensively he is learning to use his heigh/size t to get blocks/rebounds more often.

Musa and Kurucs are the perfect type of prospects you want to get when picking at the end of the 1st round/2nd round...

Not sure what you expected or who.

Yes, I watched all of his highlight games and I see LITTLE progression. IDC if he scores 80 points in g-league game.. It's the way he does is what matters and 80% of his plays won't work in the NBA. He is too slow, he is too weak, He is not a good enough finisher, he is too ball dominant especially for the talent he is portraying. While he does have talent, I'd rather see him become a better off-ball player.

ATM we are doing a 3 guard rotation regarding our play-makers. While Kenny plays a 10-11 man depth. You are telling me he can't get any burn? We are obviously lacking in play making which is why we are passing the ball around like a college team in the last few games. Yet, he can't even get a burn?? Be real and objective. Isaiah Whitehead even got into the rotation. While this guy can't even be considered yet.

I don't understand this idea that a younger player is excusable to his action. The fact is it's either you have it or you don't. Practice, development, and maturity do help but just a certain degree especially in the highest level of environment. Like be real, half of these stars are complete degenerates it's just not publicize. You see idiots like agent zero on snapchats making a fool out of himself and bringing guns in the locker room. Yet, he can score 32 a game in a season.

I wanted Elie Okobo and still want him he looks legit once he get an opportunity.


Are you seriously asking if a 19 year old foreign rookie can't get burn under Kenny? This board has practically screamed for Caris, Allen, and now Kurucs to get respective minutes during their rookie seasons and Kenny buried them on the bench or playing limited minutes until it was January or February.

Musa is 19 years old right now, barely 6 months younger than prospects that we're considering NEXT draft.

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Keep in mind that Musa is a right-hander. Now, tell me which of the "athletic freaks" (especially one at 6'9) in this coming draft can dribble with their off-hand and make a dish like that in one smooth motion?
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Post#16 » by DeRoma » Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:28 pm

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Little progression? Have you even watched any of our G-league games when Musa is playing?

Compared to when he first started he looks a lot more confident and composed. He's growing and improving in the g-league.

Can't compare him to Kurucs because Kurucs' competition are RHJ/DudleyDMC while Musa has Dinwiddie/Russell/LeVert/Napier in front of him.

He's 19 and is an aggressive 6'9 shot-creator/scorer but is improving in his play-making already. Defensively he is learning to use his heigh/size t to get blocks/rebounds more often.

Musa and Kurucs are the perfect type of prospects you want to get when picking at the end of the 1st round/2nd round...

Not sure what you expected or who.

Yes, I watched all of his highlight games and I see LITTLE progression. IDC if he scores 80 points in g-league game.. It's the way he does is what matters and 80% of his plays won't work in the NBA. He is too slow, he is too weak, He is not a good enough finisher, he is too ball dominant especially for the talent he is portraying. While he does have talent, I'd rather see him become a better off-ball player.

ATM we are doing a 3 guard rotation regarding our play-makers. While Kenny plays a 10-11 man depth. You are telling me he can't get any burn? We are obviously lacking in play making which is why we are passing the ball around like a college team in the last few games. Yet, he can't even get a burn?? Be real and objective. Isaiah Whitehead even got into the rotation. While this guy can't even be considered yet.

I don't understand this idea that a younger player is excusable to his action. The fact is it's either you have it or you don't. Practice, development, and maturity do help but just a certain degree especially in the highest level of environment. Like be real, half of these stars are complete degenerates it's just not publicize. You see idiots like agent zero on snapchats making a fool out of himself and bringing guns in the locker room. Yet, he can score 32 a game in a season.

I wanted Elie Okobo and still want him he looks legit once he get an opportunity.


Are you seriously asking if a 19 year old foreign rookie can't get burn under Kenny? This board has practically screamed for Caris, Allen, and now Kurucs to get respective minutes during their rookie seasons and Kenny buried them on the bench or playing limited minutes until it was January or February.

Musa is 19 years old right now, barely 6 months younger than prospects that we're considering NEXT draft.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/4FlzxOVUIr4?t=82[/youtube]

Keep in mind that Musa is a right-hander. Now, tell me which of the "athletic freaks" (especially one at 6'9) in this coming draft can dribble with their off-hand and make a dish like that in one smooth motion?


The fact that he can't fill a vacant slot atleast off the bench is alarming. Kenny gave Whitehead, Caris, Allen, and Kurucs an opportunity (pretty much every rookie).

The guy is not an athletic freak... He is slow with a decent ball-handling skills, good vision, but lacks finishing ability/instincts. How useful can penetration be when 1/3 of the art is very lackluster. Like I said this guy's goal should be a 7-8th man at his full potential. I'm not saying he is completely hopeless.
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Post#17 » by Dzon Dilindzer » Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:29 pm

perhaps dzanan musa isnt ready for the nba right know (mainly cause of his body), but that doesnt mean he never will be... to say his goal should be to become 7th-8th man at his full potential, wow, i dont even know what to say about that

musa is an offensive player, natural scorer with good handles who can create his own shot, i dont think his defense will ever be positive, but not being liability would be enough i guess... little minutes he played with brooklyn, he showed he can score floaters and of cutters... can shoot the ball, can drive to the basket, although hed have trouble right now, but once his body gets strengthen, it will make game easier for him... not a playmaker, but can create for others

has tendency to go left, which means he can finish with either hand, forces that side and people were saying he needs to go right, but he rarely did... now i see him driving on the right side, i have no doubt he will add that to his game, otherwise he will become predictable and much easier to stop, considering nba players are much faster and stronger than those in europe

musa personality and mentality are the best things about him, that will make him succeed in the nba... as far as im concerned, musa doesnt have to play this year or the next, his main focus should be working on his body, thats it
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Post#18 » by Dzon Dilindzer » Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:36 pm

dzanan musa was 29th pick, why would anyone disapprove that pick lol

reading some people, it looks like he was top 5 pick and looks like a bust cause he cant crack the roation so far in his rookie season, nevermind he has dinwiddie (six years older with 4 nba seasons behind him), crabbe (seven years older with 5 nba seasons behind him and 4/70 contract) and harris (eight years older with 4 nba season behind him) in front of him and levert (five years older with 2 nba seasons behind him) before he got injured
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Post#19 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:02 pm

DeRoma wrote:
SpeedyG wrote:
DeRoma wrote:Yes, I watched all of his highlight games and I see LITTLE progression. IDC if he scores 80 points in g-league game.. It's the way he does is what matters and 80% of his plays won't work in the NBA. He is too slow, he is too weak, He is not a good enough finisher, he is too ball dominant especially for the talent he is portraying. While he does have talent, I'd rather see him become a better off-ball player.

ATM we are doing a 3 guard rotation regarding our play-makers. While Kenny plays a 10-11 man depth. You are telling me he can't get any burn? We are obviously lacking in play making which is why we are passing the ball around like a college team in the last few games. Yet, he can't even get a burn?? Be real and objective. Isaiah Whitehead even got into the rotation. While this guy can't even be considered yet.

I don't understand this idea that a younger player is excusable to his action. The fact is it's either you have it or you don't. Practice, development, and maturity do help but just a certain degree especially in the highest level of environment. Like be real, half of these stars are complete degenerates it's just not publicize. You see idiots like agent zero on snapchats making a fool out of himself and bringing guns in the locker room. Yet, he can score 32 a game in a season.

I wanted Elie Okobo and still want him he looks legit once he get an opportunity.


Are you seriously asking if a 19 year old foreign rookie can't get burn under Kenny? This board has practically screamed for Caris, Allen, and now Kurucs to get respective minutes during their rookie seasons and Kenny buried them on the bench or playing limited minutes until it was January or February.

Musa is 19 years old right now, barely 6 months younger than prospects that we're considering NEXT draft.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/4FlzxOVUIr4?t=82[/youtube]

Keep in mind that Musa is a right-hander. Now, tell me which of the "athletic freaks" (especially one at 6'9) in this coming draft can dribble with their off-hand and make a dish like that in one smooth motion?


The fact that he can't fill a vacant slot atleast off the bench is alarming. Kenny gave Whitehead, Caris, Allen, and Kurucs an opportunity (pretty much every rookie).

The guy is not an athletic freak... He is slow with a decent ball-handling skills, good vision, but lacks finishing ability/instincts. How useful can penetration be when 1/3 of the art is very lackluster. Like I said this guy's goal should be a 7-8th man at his full potential. I'm not saying he is completely hopeless.


It isn't alarming at all, he's 19 years old and has Russell, Dinwiddie, and Napier ahead of him in the backcourt. He also needs to get physically stronger. It would be more alarming if he was going down to the D League and playing poorly, which he isn't. I don't see why you're hand wringing over this or ready to declare failure on a 19 year rookie in the 2nd week of DECEMBER. Dude come on :lol:

It was said since July he would probably spend the early part of this season in the D League, the same was said about Kurucs but Kurucs is a bit ahead of the curve. That doesn't mean that Musa is some failed prospect. Give the dude a chance before you toss him into the streets FFS
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Re: Fanbase Rookie Approval Rating: Dzanan Musa 

Post#20 » by SpeedyG » Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:26 pm

DeRoma wrote:
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DeRoma wrote:Yes, I watched all of his highlight games and I see LITTLE progression. IDC if he scores 80 points in g-league game.. It's the way he does is what matters and 80% of his plays won't work in the NBA. He is too slow, he is too weak, He is not a good enough finisher, he is too ball dominant especially for the talent he is portraying. While he does have talent, I'd rather see him become a better off-ball player.

ATM we are doing a 3 guard rotation regarding our play-makers. While Kenny plays a 10-11 man depth. You are telling me he can't get any burn? We are obviously lacking in play making which is why we are passing the ball around like a college team in the last few games. Yet, he can't even get a burn?? Be real and objective. Isaiah Whitehead even got into the rotation. While this guy can't even be considered yet.

I don't understand this idea that a younger player is excusable to his action. The fact is it's either you have it or you don't. Practice, development, and maturity do help but just a certain degree especially in the highest level of environment. Like be real, half of these stars are complete degenerates it's just not publicize. You see idiots like agent zero on snapchats making a fool out of himself and bringing guns in the locker room. Yet, he can score 32 a game in a season.

I wanted Elie Okobo and still want him he looks legit once he get an opportunity.


Are you seriously asking if a 19 year old foreign rookie can't get burn under Kenny? This board has practically screamed for Caris, Allen, and now Kurucs to get respective minutes during their rookie seasons and Kenny buried them on the bench or playing limited minutes until it was January or February.

Musa is 19 years old right now, barely 6 months younger than prospects that we're considering NEXT draft.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/4FlzxOVUIr4?t=82[/youtube]

Keep in mind that Musa is a right-hander. Now, tell me which of the "athletic freaks" (especially one at 6'9) in this coming draft can dribble with their off-hand and make a dish like that in one smooth motion?


The fact that he can't fill a vacant slot atleast off the bench is alarming. Kenny gave Whitehead, Caris, Allen, and Kurucs an opportunity (pretty much every rookie).

The guy is not an athletic freak... He is slow with a decent ball-handling skills, good vision, but lacks finishing ability/instincts. How useful can penetration be when 1/3 of the art is very lackluster. Like I said this guy's goal should be a 7-8th man at his full potential. I'm not saying he is completely hopeless.
Kurucs had Dudley in front of him...and that's it. Rondae was hurt. Carroll was hurt. Kurucs got early opportunities (while Musa was competing against Spencer, Caris, Dlo, Napier, and even Graham), and got DNP-CDs as a thank you. Every time we had an injury at the 4, Kurucs stepped in and produced..and even then was still showers by DNPs.

The only time he's gotten on the floor the past couple of games was at the expense of Napier.

Whose minutes do you exactly think 19 year old Musa was gonna take?

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