Steph Curry is shooting 50% on 10.8 3pt attempts per game, 52% overall

[xdrta+]

You're right the freedom of movement rule changes are not responsible for the trend of course, they are just frustrating to me because they are the absolute opposite of what the league should have been trying to achieve. The league if anything should have been trying to prevent refs from being drawn into calling perimeter fouls where the offensive player initiates contact, and maybe taking the corner three out of the G-league game to gather some statistical information and getting a chance to witness some games played with that as an experiment.

I don't get this. You think calling holding and grabbing off the ball, which is not a "rule change" it's just being called more often, has to do with the offensive player initiating contact? That makes no sense. I don't get why people think that grabbing and holding cutters and players coming off screens makes for good basketball. You might as well watch wrestling.

I do not think those two things have anything to do with each other specifically at all. I am saying what the league needed was something to help balance the value of perimeter with mid-range offense and what the league targeted instead was something to provide perimeter offense even greater efficiency.

Defenses needed help with the James Harden's of the world, and James Harden was the one who had something waiting for him under the tree.

Enforcing off ball holding rules is just as valuable for mid-range offense as it is for distance. Three point shooting is no better this year than in years past.

[SF_Warriors]

People that say steph is just a shooter are absolutely clueless man. It takes a certain skillset to be able to average 30ppg on over 60% TS, which involves ball handling, finishing at the rim, and shot creation at unprecedented levels. Yall really think korver or reddick can even score on jumpshots the same way steph does? Reddick is not gonna dribble circles around players and shoot a jumper in their face.

There's spot up shooting, running off screens, and off the dribble (single or multiple bounce)..curry has unprecedented ability doing all of those with unprecedented range as well, where guys like even ray allen and reggie can't even match.

I also can't believe people are unable to tell the difference between a great shooter versus one that is regarded as the best that has ever lived.

I think Curry’s the best shooter too but I think you should pump the brakes just a bit.

Maybe you don’t remember Ray but he had tremendous range, could cross you up & pull up from 3, plus he could take it to the rim.

He just didn’t have the green light to fire up 3s the way they do now & played in different defensive era.

As good of a shooter as ray allen was..right up there with the best that has ever lived, he is not as good of a shooter as steph curry..and this is coming from an admirer of rays game. Ive watched him since his milwaukee/seattle days.

Ray has lower career percentages from mid range, 16 feet to three, and three point range and beyond. Im not sure if youre trying to convince me that rays a better shooter or if you think its closer than maybe I am talking about..i mean, im sure its close, but as a shooter, scorer, ball handler, playmaker, ill take steph

[xfactor]

There are plenty of guys who cannot shoot who can do those things equally as well as Curry who are not able to find minutes in the NBA so yeah you are doing it right. None of the things you mentioned he does at a particularly stellar level.

He is without doubt the best jump shooter the league has ever seen, but I find it hard to see people talk about him being the greatest ever when it is really only one skill he is truly sensational at.

There are not guys out there not getting minutes with the ball handling and vision that Curry possesses. They sure as hell can't get to the basket and finish like him either. Curry's handles are elite, his playmaking is above average and his finishing at the basket is elite.

I wouldn't say he is any of those things better then say a Jose Calderon

[Alonzo_Morning]

Top 10 all time? It's crowded at the top though

He literally changed the game of basketball, so you can argue top 10

[Mylie10]

Yeah, but can he win a dunk contest?

Have you seen him with a donut? Dude's a crazy dunker!

[SF_Warriors]

He's incredible, the greatest shooter eve rand the cornerstone of the greatest offence ever.

If he were a mediocre shooter however the rest of his game would not justify him getting minutes in the NBA. If you had him switch places with his dad in the 90's he would only marginally be a better version of his dad.

The freedom of movement rules have been a disaster and the league needs to at least take away the corner three, it's just a jump shooting contest at this point.

His ability to handle the ball, set screens, contest for rebounds, play help defense, and finish inside wouldn't even keep him in the league if he played in the 60s. Am I doing it right?

There are plenty of guys who cannot shoot who can do those things equally as well as Curry who are not able to find minutes in the NBA so yeah you are doing it right. None of the things you mentioned he does at a particularly stellar level.

He is without doubt the best jump shooter the league has ever seen, but I find it hard to see people talk about him being the greatest ever when it is really only one skill he is truly sensational at.

Look, if we were to give a d league player all time great scoring/shooting ability and also assume he can be a top ten level play maker at an nba level, they would be HOF players. What exactly is your point? We can't all of a sudden magically take away or gift people extraordinary abilities like that. That is not how reality works. Making this comparison is living in a fantasy world and if you want to do that, it is fine, but you need to realize this. Yes, there are probably d league players that can rebound better than steph or defend better than steph, and possibly be better ball handlers/passers than steph but those guys have so much more deficiencies in their game, which is why they are in the dleague in the first place. They are in the dleague for a reason and steph is considered one of the best for a reason.

Lets take away Dirk Nowitzki's shooting ability and he would be worse than andrea bargnani..yea this game is fun

And yes, curry is a top ten level nba playmaker, the guy was top ten in assists three season in a row prior to KD signing with GSW.

[Wallace_Wallace]

His ability to handle the ball, set screens, contest for rebounds, play help defense, and finish inside wouldn't even keep him in the league if he played in the 60s. Am I doing it right?

There are plenty of guys who cannot shoot who can do those things equally as well as Curry who are not able to find minutes in the NBA so yeah you are doing it right. None of the things you mentioned he does at a particularly stellar level.

He is without doubt the best jump shooter the league has ever seen, but I find it hard to see people talk about him being the greatest ever when it is really only one skill he is truly sensational at.

Look, if we were to give a d league player all time great scoring/shooting ability and also assume he can be a top ten level play maker at an nba level, they would be HOF players. What exactly is your point? We can't all of a sudden magically take away or gift people extraordinary abilities like that. That is not how reality works. Making this comparison is living in a fantasy world and if you want to do that, it is fine, but you need to realize this. Yes, there are probably d league players that can rebound better than steph or defend better than steph, and possibly be better ball handlers/passers than steph but those guys have so much more deficiencies in their game, which is why they are in the dleague in the first place. They are in the dleague for a reason and steph is considered one of the best for a reason.

Lets take away Dirk Nowitzki's shooting ability and he would be worse than andrea bargnani..yea this game is fun

And yes, curry is a top ten level nba playmaker, the guy was top ten in assists three season in a row prior to KD signing with GSW.

Seriously, people spend their whole life acquiring a skill and keep sharpening it the best way they can, how could people wanted just take that away? If you take away Yo Yo Ma's ability to play the cello, he'll just be yo mama. You can practically play this game with anyone.

[Ontario]

There are plenty of guys who cannot shoot who can do those things equally as well as Curry who are not able to find minutes in the NBA so yeah you are doing it right. None of the things you mentioned he does at a particularly stellar level.

He is without doubt the best jump shooter the league has ever seen, but I find it hard to see people talk about him being the greatest ever when it is really only one skill he is truly sensational at.

Look, if we were to give a d league player all time great scoring/shooting ability and also assume he can be a top ten level play maker at an nba level, they would be HOF players. What exactly is your point? We can't all of a sudden magically take away or gift people extraordinary abilities like that. That is not how reality works. Making this comparison is living in a fantasy world and if you want to do that, it is fine, but you need to realize this. Yes, there are probably d league players that can rebound better than steph or defend better than steph, and possibly be better ball handlers/passers than steph but those guys have so much more deficiencies in their game, which is why they are in the dleague in the first place. They are in the dleague for a reason and steph is considered one of the best for a reason.

Lets take away Dirk Nowitzki's shooting ability and he would be worse than andrea bargnani..yea this game is fun

And yes, curry is a top ten level nba playmaker, the guy was top ten in assists three season in a row prior to KD signing with GSW.

Seriously, people spend their whole life acquiring a skill and keep sharpening it the best way they can, how could people wanted just take that away? If you take away Yo Yo Ma's ability to play the cello, he'll just be yo mama. You can practically play this game with anyone.

I'm not ripping Steph at all, I think Steph is amazing. My comments about his other skills being more or less average however is about why we should not be trying to hold him up as a greatest of all time candidate. He is the best shooter the league has ever had and the cornerstone of the greatest offense the league has ever seen.

[SF_Warriors]

Look, if we were to give a d league player all time great scoring/shooting ability and also assume he can be a top ten level play maker at an nba level, they would be HOF players. What exactly is your point? We can't all of a sudden magically take away or gift people extraordinary abilities like that. That is not how reality works. Making this comparison is living in a fantasy world and if you want to do that, it is fine, but you need to realize this. Yes, there are probably d league players that can rebound better than steph or defend better than steph, and possibly be better ball handlers/passers than steph but those guys have so much more deficiencies in their game, which is why they are in the dleague in the first place. They are in the dleague for a reason and steph is considered one of the best for a reason.

Lets take away Dirk Nowitzki's shooting ability and he would be worse than andrea bargnani..yea this game is fun

And yes, curry is a top ten level nba playmaker, the guy was top ten in assists three season in a row prior to KD signing with GSW.

Seriously, people spend their whole life acquiring a skill and keep sharpening it the best way they can, how could people wanted just take that away? If you take away Yo Yo Ma's ability to play the cello, he'll just be yo mama. You can practically play this game with anyone.

I'm not ripping Steph at all, I think Steph is amazing. My comments about his other skills being more or less average however is about why we should not be trying to hold him up as a greatest of all time candidate. He is the best shooter the league has ever had and the cornerstone of the greatest offense the league has ever seen.

Who exactly is talking him up as an ATG candidate? He is in the conversation of possibly being in the top ten. No one is putting him above MJ/Bron, or at least I hope not.

[michaelm]

There are plenty of guys who cannot shoot who can do those things equally as well as Curry who are not able to find minutes in the NBA so yeah you are doing it right. None of the things you mentioned he does at a particularly stellar level.

He is without doubt the best jump shooter the league has ever seen, but I find it hard to see people talk about him being the greatest ever when it is really only one skill he is truly sensational at.

Look, if we were to give a d league player all time great scoring/shooting ability and also assume he can be a top ten level play maker at an nba level, they would be HOF players. What exactly is your point? We can't all of a sudden magically take away or gift people extraordinary abilities like that. That is not how reality works. Making this comparison is living in a fantasy world and if you want to do that, it is fine, but you need to realize this. Yes, there are probably d league players that can rebound better than steph or defend better than steph, and possibly be better ball handlers/passers than steph but those guys have so much more deficiencies in their game, which is why they are in the dleague in the first place. They are in the dleague for a reason and steph is considered one of the best for a reason.

Lets take away Dirk Nowitzki's shooting ability and he would be worse than andrea bargnani..yea this game is fun

And yes, curry is a top ten level nba playmaker, the guy was top ten in assists three season in a row prior to KD signing with GSW.

Seriously, people spend their whole life acquiring a skill and keep sharpening it the best way they can, how could people wanted just take that away? If you take away Yo Yo Ma's ability to play the cello, he'll just be yo mama. You can practically play this game with anyone.

Chop off one of Usain Bolt’s legs and he wouldn’t have the 100 metres world record to go full reductio ad absurdum.

Whole players play basketball, so criticising a partial Steph Curry is a fairly meaningless hypothetical as has been said, and strikes me as perhaps a tad agenda driven, given the complete Steph Curry who actually plays for GSW approaches being beyond criticism.

I personally think his playmaking, handles, defence as a PG particularly within the GSW system, rebounding as a PG are all high quality, and his finishing at the rim is absolutely elite, as are his FTs obviously which makes fouling him an unsuccessful strategy, although I guess that will be subtracted from his game as well. What it comes down to is essentially that even any PG who might have done everything else better than he does historically pretty universally didn’t have as much impact as him because they couldn’t shoot as well as him, and you also have to give credit to Curry for being sufficiently smart, sufficiently skilled and sufficiently unselfish to make the right plays other than shooting himself to take advantage of the opportunities his gravity stemming from his shooting allows. The one thing he can be criticised for imo is excessive TOs, but even that can be argued to be part of the GSW philosophy of having their players enjoy themselves.

I could also reverse the question and ask Ontario how Russell Westbrook has better PG skills than Curry.

[michaelm]

Seriously, people spend their whole life acquiring a skill and keep sharpening it the best way they can, how could people wanted just take that away? If you take away Yo Yo Ma's ability to play the cello, he'll just be yo mama. You can practically play this game with anyone.

I'm not ripping Steph at all, I think Steph is amazing. My comments about his other skills being more or less average however is about why we should not be trying to hold him up as a greatest of all time candidate. He is the best shooter the league has ever had and the cornerstone of the greatest offense the league has ever seen.

Who exactly is talking him up as an ATG candidate? He is in the conversation of possibly being in the top ten. No one is putting him above MJ/Bron, or at least I hope not.

Of course.

People are I believe speaking of him as a PG, and in that position it is reasonable to consider him as among the all time greats imo.

[Clyde Frazier]

"STEPH GOAT!"

"STEPH OVERRATED AF!"

Steph is an all time great whose career isn't over yet

[SF_Warriors]

I'm not ripping Steph at all, I think Steph is a
mazing. My comments about his other skills being more or less average however is about why we should not be trying to hold him up as a greatest of all time candidate. He is the best shooter the league has ever had and the cornerstone of the greatest offense the league has ever seen.

Who exactly is talking him up as an ATG candidate? He is in the conversation of possibly being in the top ten. No one is putting him above MJ/Bron, or at least I hope not.

Of course.

People are I believe speaking of him as a PG, and in that position it is reasonable to consider him as among the all time greats imo.

I agree, at the point guard position steph has to be considered right at the top. Of course arguments can be made as to where exactly, but to me there is no doubt that he is in the top 3 and personally in the top 2 for me as far as the PG position goes.

People complain about his all around game, but he is not deficient in any areas as a point guard. His defensive ability can be considered average but every other area is at least above average. How many point guards can have the same scoring ability though and at that level of efficiency? I guess you could plausibly say kyrie or dame, but they have never reached curry's career high in scoring or assists either. Possibly harden but I've really considered him more of a SG due to his size.

Also:
Kyrie career high TS% - 61%
Dame career high TS% -59.4%
Steph curry career average TS% - 62.3%

Guys like stockton, nash, GP, kidd - none of those guys can take on the same type of scoring load even as a #2 option like steph. Steph had a bad finals in 2016, but otherwise, averaged a MINIMUM of 26ppg & 6 apg in three other finals. I'm sure those guys can give you 19-22 ppg in a big time playoff series, but steph is giving 26-28ppg on similar or better efficiency while also putting up solid assist numbers. And when I mentioned steph has no deficiencies, guys like GP and nash have clear weaknesses like outside shooting or defense respectively.

[F N 11]

Best shooter of all time smfh it’s in his dna to be a shooter.