Game 28: Phoenix Suns at San Antonio Spurs, Tuesday, December 11th, 6:30PM MST

[MrMiyagi]

Its funny, i can totally tell who actually watched the game by reading the comments after the game. Its very easy to do.

Luka 1000000000% would have won us this game.

Did I watch, or did I not watch?

[bwgood77]

I have since gotten over the fact that Ayton is a bust, I am no longer upset for the fact that we have drafted so many busts in the lottery. Since we are going to draft in the top 5 for the next 20 years we have plenty of time to draft the right guys.

Ayton is nowhere near bust territory. The dude is averaging a double double on good efficiency. Yes, his effort can lack at times, and I'm not thrilled about that. But he is in no way shape or form a bust.

Ayton is done. Offensively Okafor was just as good if not better and look at where he is now. centers in the modern nba are pretty much like the goalies in hockey, a center without defense is unplayable, you can't leave the basket unguarded and letting the opposing team scoring layups after layups.

No, Okafor was not better. He is basically out of the NBA. Ayton is still a top 5 rookie....and will end up being good offensively...at a minimum a solid big off the bench for scoring. If he gets defensive skills outside of away from the basket 1 on 1 defense, he will be a decent starter, maybe for a playoff team.

He has show a tiny bit of progress on defense...so hopefully that continues.

[MrMiyagi]

Biggest difference in this game is the 3pt %....us at 30% and the Spurs at over 70%..plus we have a few more fouls and are getting outrebounded.

WHY DIDN'T AYTON BLOCK ALL OF THEIR 3s?! HE SHOULD HAVE HAD 20 REBOUNDS INSTEAD OF 11! HOLMES IS OUR BEST CENTER!!!!!

[Mjee]

People dogging Ayton need to check themselves :

1. We barely got him the ball in the right spots.
This system is not for him.

2. Igor has to run more post plays for him

3. Still got a double double

4. TJ will never pass Ayton the ball !! Never

[bwgood77]

People dogging Ayton need to check themselves :

1. We barely got him the ball in the right spots.
This system is not for him.

2. Igor has to run more post plays for him

3. Still got a double double

4. TJ will never pass Ayton the ball !! Never

TJ is more efficient than Ayton despite him being a wing and not a big man...pretty rare on a team. Whenever Ayton gets post touches he is double teamed and usually passes out. We run a bunch of pick and rolls for Ayton but he never rolls hard...plus we don't really have a good passer to set him up.

[Kerrsed]

People dogging Ayton need to check themselves :

1. We barely got him the ball in the right spots.
This system is not for him.

2. Igor has to run more post plays for him

3. Still got a double double

4. TJ will never pass Ayton the ball !! Never

TJ is more efficient than Ayton despite him being a wing and not a big man...pretty rare on a team. Whenever Ayton gets post touches he is double teamed and usually passes out. We run a bunch of pick and rolls for Ayton but he never rolls hard...plus we don't really have a good passer to set him up.

How is TJ more efficient? He's sitting at 51% for the season, and Ayton is right at 60%.

[BurningHeart]

Another 20+ point loss. Cool bro.


**** the Spurs.

[bwgood77]

People dogging Ayton need to check themselves :

1. We barely got him the ball in the right spots.
This system is not for him.

2. Igor has to run more post plays for him

3. Still got a double double

4. TJ will never pass Ayton the ball !! Never

TJ is more efficient than Ayton despite him being a wing and not a big man...pretty rare on a team. Whenever Ayton gets post touches he is double teamed and usually passes out. We run a bunch of pick and rolls for Ayton but he never rolls hard...plus we don't really have a good passer to set him up.

How is TJ more efficient? He's sitting at 51% for the season, and Ayton is right at 60%.

I guess at this point in time, Ayton is slightly more efficient. I look at TS%.

[Kerrsed]

TJ is more efficient than Ayton despite him being a wing and not a big man...pretty rare on a team. Whenever Ayton gets post touches he is double teamed and usually passes out. We run a bunch of pick and rolls for Ayton but he never rolls hard...plus we don't really have a good passer to set him up.

How is TJ more efficient? He's sitting at 51% for the season, and Ayton is right at 60%.

I guess at this point in time, Ayton is slightly more efficient. I look at TS%.

Ah....so Warren gets a bump for getting to the FT line.

[bwgood77]

How is TJ more efficient? He's sitting at 51% for the season, and Ayton is right at 60%.

I guess at this point in time, Ayton is slightly more efficient. I look at TS%.

Ah....so Warren gets a bump for getting to the FT line.

Well that should help Ayton more...he mostly gets a bump for his 3 pt %.

[Revived]

How is TJ more efficient? He's sitting at 51% for the season, and Ayton is right at 60%.

I guess at this point in time, Ayton is slightly more efficient. I look at TS%.

Ah....so Warren gets a bump for getting to the FT line.

I'd like to see a guy with Ayton's physical gifts get to the FT line. Embiid in his rookie season (granted he was 2 years older than Ayton) averaged 11 FT attempts a game. Ayton is averaging 2 FT attempts a game thus far.

[stoo]

calm down on Ayton... He is still going to be a superstar

[ryanball]

On the Spurs broadcast Sean Elliott was pretty much spot on. He noted that Ayton sets a lot of screens, yet his rolls and post positions repeatedly go unused. This despite him obviously being a willing passer and frequently drawing double teams when he does get it.

And this isn't about defending him or whatever. He is who the Suns picked. I'd like to see the offense adjust to take more advantage of what he can do. Having Melton and Jackson jacking it up 16 and 14 times respectively is bad, Watson-tier offense and needs to change.

[Hesh]

After all this losing I wonder why Igor hasn't changed altered his offensive scheme to utilize Ayton more. The fans want it, I'm sure Sarver wants it, and he isn't getting any wins so far, so why not try something different.

[handsome salary]

Watched less than 5 minutes. Saw them go from 10 down to 16. Announcers talking about some no name player having his career night. Turned it off. I know this team is historically terrible and make me angry. Getting better at just walking away.

During the Clippers game every time the camera had a shot including the upper deck it looked completely deserted. **** sad.

[Fo-Real]

Was just too tired to get past the 1st half while watching it late on DVR. Sooooo, you all are saying I should just flush it from the DVR and not finish it?!?! Not worth my time to finish??

[GoodBehavior]

Embarrassing game.

Some really questionable coaching decisions. Bender was terrible, but the team had no PF depth w/o Ariza. So that's understandable. Holmes, however, couldn't guard Aldridge and Igor just left him in the game way too long. Ayton wasn't figured into the offense game plan, even the SA announcer comment on that. Offense didn't seem to have any rhythm or any sense of game plan. That's on Igor.

Atrocious shooting percentage from everyone not named Warren/Ayton, and this is against a subpar defense. Melton had his moment and continues to be a bright spot. He's rapidly securing the backup PG role for the foreseeable future. Everyone else in the backcourt was pretty trash in the game. Bryn Forbes shouldn't gather 24pt and 11 rebs. That's really poor defense and rebounding.

Ayton's offense game was subpar. The stats overestimate his impact. Definitely didn't feel like a 4 assists night for him. Majority of the assists were hand-off to shooters. Defense and rim protection looks to be getting better. Block/game is >1 last couple of weeks and trending up since the start of the season. Looked really solid against the Derozan/Aldridge PNR. Aldrdige was 5 out of 12 (stole this stat from some other poster) against Ayton and Aldridge committed a number of turnovers against him. Derozan couldn't do much when Ayton was on him on the switch. Pleasantly pleased with Ayton's progression on D.

On offense, Ayton should have taken more mid-range jump shots. His form looks better and he's not rushing it. Spurs were giving him room to shoot. He's capable of shooting 50%-60% at that range if it's lightly contested. This was a blowout loss, would love to see him at least attempt an unrushed 3. Also had a nice drive in the lane. His handle, especially his left dribble, looks much better than before. He's very capable of a Karl Malone-esque face-up game. His shooting touch is unreal and his handles are not bad (should get better over time) and most centers don't have the speed to keep up with him. Igor should dial up more faceup opportunites for him. Ayton also set up some really nice screens.

[Archx]

Was just too tired to get past the 1st half while watching it late on DVR. Sooooo, you all are saying I should just flush it from the DVR and not finish it?!?! Not worth my time to finish??

I feel asleep somewhere in the 3rd Q and i'm happy i did.

Was watching Barkley rant about the Suns today. He said that Igor should get a COY award for getting 4 wins with these bums lol... Savage

Ayton also set up some really nice screens.

I can't agree with that. His screens are still poor and he doesn't roll properly to the basket or to an open spot. Other than that, agreed, he is playing a bit better on D. But keep in mind that LMA had a lot of open looks vs Ayton as well, he just missed them. Otherwise it's good to see Ayton at least moving more on defense.

[Saberestar]

After all this losing I wonder why Igor hasn't changed altered his offensive scheme to utilize Ayton more. The fans want it, I'm sure Sarver wants it, and he isn't getting any wins so far, so why not try something different.

And I do not understand why he can not put Holmes and Ayton together on the court even just for a couple minutes here or there. What can we lose?

Holmes is agile and can defend some PFs... we are not talking about an slow 7 footer next to Ayton.

It is strange. It is like if both coincide on the court at the same time Kokoskov's mind explodes in a second and he knows it for sure.