Deandre Ayton news and highlights

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #901 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:16 pm

Jstock12 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Jstock12 wrote:
When players are defended by Alex Len within 6 feet from the basket, their season averages from within 6 feet drop by 10%. The only season when Len wasn't a positive rim-protector was his rookie year when he had an even worse DFG within 6 ft than Ayton's (+2.9%). So there's hope for Deandre

What about some of those guys in the top 10 as rookies? Or Gobert in his career? Or Jokic? Do rookies typically not do well?

Obviously Carter Jr and JJJ are killing it this year but I wonder how often that happens.

Jokic was -7.3% in his rookie year (this season he's -7.0%), which is excellent. It doesn't surprise me though, he's got an amazing IQ and is probably the most skilled big man in the league. Gobert was -8.4% as a rookie, but that was why he was drafted in the first place. Ayton was drafted for different reasons. Yes, it seems like it's quite rare that a player improves at rim-protection as much as Len did, but it's not impossible.

Nah, with Len it was just about his physical development. He had to add some professional athlete weight. If Deandre does that......

Fo-Real · Post #902 » by **Fo-Real** » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:36 pm

Hard to fathom that even though we hated them, a Len/ Chriss front-court was better defensively than what we have now. At least Chriss blocked some shots and Len stumbled over and fouled people clumsily, while pouting about calls.

Post #903 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:47 pm

Fo-Real wrote:Hard to fathom that even though we hated them, a Len/ Chriss front-court was better defensively than what we have now. At least Chriss blocked some shots and Len stumbled over and fouled people clumsily, while pouting about calls.

It's still early of course...very early, and a lot of people hated Len, but he played pretty well last year. He just didn't get a lot of minutes because they played Chandler a lot and some Monroe when he was here.

But per 36 rebounds, blocks, turnovers (surprising), DBPM, ORTG, DRTG he was better than what Ayton has been so far. And they had nearly the same TS%. Points per 36 were not far off either.

http://bkref.com/tiny/YPeFl

GoodBehavior · Post #904 » by **GoodBehavior** » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:50 pm

Jstock12 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Jstock12 wrote:
When players are defended by Alex Len within 6 feet from the basket, their season averages from within 6 feet drop by 10%. The only season when Len wasn't a positive rim-protector was his rookie year when he had an even worse DFG within 6 ft than Ayton's (+2.9%). So there's hope for Deandre

What about some of those guys in the top 10 as rookies? Or Gobert in his career? Or Jokic? Do rookies typically not do well?

Obviously Carter Jr and JJJ are killing it this year but I wonder how often that happens.

Jokic was -7.3% in his rookie year (this season he's -7.0%), which is excellent. It doesn't surprise me though, he's got an amazing IQ and is probably the most skilled big man in the league. Gobert was -8.4% as a rookie, but that was why he was drafted in the first place. Ayton was drafted for different reasons. Yes, it seems like it's quite rare that a player improves at rim-protection as much as Len did, but it's not impossible.

Great info. Do you have Ayton stats for the first 10 or so game vs the last 10 or so game?

Jstock12 · Post #905 » by **Jstock12** » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:57 pm

GoodBehavior wrote:
Jstock12 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
What about some of those guys in the top 10 as rookies? Or Gobert in his career? Or Jokic? Do rookies typically not do well?

Obviously Carter Jr and JJJ are killing it this year but I wonder how often that happens.

Jokic was -7.3% in his rookie year (this season he's -7.0%), which is excellent. It doesn't surprise me though, he's got an amazing IQ and is probably the most skilled big man in the league. Gobert was -8.4% as a rookie, but that was why he was drafted in the first place. Ayton was drafted for different reasons. Yes, it seems like it's quite rare that a player improves at rim-protection as much as Len did, but it's not impossible.

Great info. Do you have Ayton stats for the first 10 or so game vs the last 10 or so game?

First 13 games: +1.5
Last 13 games: +2.8

He's gotten slightly worse compared to the start of the season according to the data. But 13 games is a very small sample size. So it's possible that he got better and the stats aren't reflecting it.

GoodBehavior · Post #906 » by **GoodBehavior** » Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:05 pm

Jstock12 wrote:
GoodBehavior wrote:
Jstock12 wrote:
Jokic was -7.3% in his rookie year (this season he's -7.0%), which is excellent. It doesn't surprise me though, he's got an amazing IQ and is probably the most skilled big man in the league. Gobert was -8.4% as a rookie, but that was why he was drafted in the first place. Ayton was drafted for different reasons. Yes, it seems like it's quite rare that a player improves at rim-protection as much as Len did, but it's not impossible.

Great info. Do you have Ayton stats for the first 10 or so game vs the last 10 or so game?

First 13 games: +1.5
Last 13 games: +2.8

He's gotten slightly worse compared to the start of the season according to the data. But 13 games is a very small sample size. So it's possible that he got better and the stats aren't reflecting it.

Agreed. Still not great news though

Saberestar · Post #907 » by **Saberestar** » Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:37 pm

Watch on YouTube

Revived · Post #908 » by **Revived** » Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:40 pm

Saberestar wrote:

Watch on YouTube

That play he makes beginning at 1:08 needs to be shown to him repeatedly and let it be known to him that's what is expected of him defensively.

handsome salary · Post #909 » by **handsome salary** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:01 pm

Deandre Ayton said last night that he was "glad" the #Suns were on a back-to-back, that it was a test to see if they could replicate the energy from a spirited OT loss to the Clippers. Spurs have jumped out to a 10-3 lead. Phoenix is 1-of-6 from the floor.

Post #910 » by **bwgood77** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:38 pm

Been wondering about this...knew his blocks were up but wondering if his DFG% within 6 feet has improved.

Read on Twitter

Saberestar · Post #911 » by **Saberestar** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:48 pm

bwgood77 wrote:Been wondering about this...knew his blocks were up but wondering if his DFG% within 6 feet has improved.

Read on Twitter

I like it. That's the way.
This is an step in the right direction.

NapoleonII · Post #912 » by **NapoleonII** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:37 pm

20 years old.

I still take him over Doncic and I think a lot of franchises would as well.

matt131 · Post #913 » by **matt131** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:31 pm

Read on Twitter

WeekapaugGroove · Post #914 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:00 pm

What can be so justifiably frustrating with Ayton is that you can absolutely see how if he just does a few simple things better just how good he could be... but that should also be encouraging because in contrast with some of the other guys like Bender, Chriss, or even Jackson you can at least see a real path where he can become a very very good player. With those guys at times their play leaves you wondering not if they can become great but if they can even stick in the league. I'd much rather have the problem of a guy leaving me wanting for more than a guy who leaves me wanting for anything resembling good basketball.

Archx · Post #915 » by **Archx** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:17 pm

Have a feeling Ayton will be scary good next year if Suns can get Zion. It would open a lot of space for Ayton to operate in. And the passion he would bring to this team is also something that is desperately needed. I'm just afraid when top rookies see this dysfunctional FO and say that they would rather stay away.

L Sellers · Post #916 » by **L Sellers** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:44 pm

bwgood77 wrote:Been wondering about this...knew his blocks were up but wondering if his DFG% within 6 feet has improved.

Read on Twitter

That's good to see and hopefully not just sample-size false.

Ayton as an above average defender, with the offensive skill we know he has, is a franchise center and worth the first pick in the last draft.

Jstock12 · Post #917 » by **Jstock12** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:29 pm

bwgood77 wrote:Been wondering about this...knew his blocks were up but wondering if his DFG% within 6 feet has improved.

Read on Twitter

I think that tweet is a bit biased/deceptive, since you need to look at the DFG differential to spot any improvements because every opponent has a different season average.

Post #918 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:30 pm

Jstock12 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:Been wondering about this...knew his blocks were up but wondering if his DFG% within 6 feet has improved.

Read on Twitter

You need to look at the DFG differential to spot any improvements since every opponent has a different season average.

Where do you find all these numbers? Like the ones you posted earlier. Do you have a link?

Jstock12 · Post #919 » by **Jstock12** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:31 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Jstock12 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:Been wondering about this...knew his blocks were up but wondering if his DFG% within 6 feet has improved.

Read on Twitter

You need to look at the DFG differential to spot any improvements since every opponent has a different season average.

Where do you find all these numbers? Like the ones you posted earlier. Do you have a link?

All players: https://stats.nba.com/players/defense-dash-lt6/

Ayton: https://stats.nba.com/player/1629028/defense-dash/

You can use the filters to help you out.

Post #920 » by **lilfishi22** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:37 pm

Archx wrote:Have a feeling Ayton will be scary good next year if Suns can get Zion. It would open a lot of space for Ayton to operate in. And the passion he would bring to this team is also something that is desperately needed. I'm just afraid when top rookies see this dysfunctional FO and say that they would rather stay away.

I'm not sure about the spacing (Zion still hasn't got the 3PT shot yet) but I have a good feeling that Zion could make a better entry pass to Ayton in the post than any player on this team right now. A 6'6 280lb big man with a better entry pass than any of our "PGs"