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tbhawksfan1 wrote:The problem with the trade is the trading back part. If TS is so good at spotting talent, why does he trade down?
tbhawksfan1 wrote:Do you have so much faith in our rookie GM that you want him trading down out of top draft picks?
CBS Sports"That's my job," Schlenk said. "We tell Trae, make the right play. It's my job to make sure we have guys who can make the next play."
All the while, Young isn't only being measured against himself and his own expectations. Let's face it: He's being measured against Luka Doncic.
Doncic has arguably been even better than expected. We knew about the ball skills, but the 3-point shooting was a question. Doncic had a lot of viral clips of hitting big shots in Europe, but from a consistency standpoint, he was only a 30-percent 3-point shooter. He's been at or near 40 percent in the NBA, despite the deeper line. That's a huge jump.
Through Thursday, Doncic is averaging 18.1 points, 6.5 rebounds and 4.3 assists. There are only eight other players in the league averaging those numbers. Seven of them -- LeBron James, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Victor Oladipo, Russell Westbrook, Anthony Davis, Kevin Durant and Paul George -- were All-NBA players last season. The other is Blake Griffin. Not bad company for a guy who won't even turn 20 years old until the end of February.
For the Hawks, the swing factor in the trade was that extra first-round pick Dallas threw in. The better Doncic plays, the lower that pick potentially falls.
Schlenk is keeping his eye on the Mavs, to be sure. If Doncic and the Mavericks keep trending up, and somehow crack the playoffs, man, what a gut punch that might be to have given up Doncic and ended up with a pick in the teens.
Jamaaliver wrote:tbhawksfan1 wrote:Do you have so much faith in our rookie GM that you want him trading down out of top draft picks?
Absolutely not. This was a gamble. He'll be held accountable for it long term. The best decison hs made though was not to put our entire rebuild on the shoulders of any single draft pick/player.
He's in the first stage of the rebuild.
Is betting on Trae a good move? Too soon to say.
But clearly passing on Luka was a mistake.
tbhawksfan1 wrote:You can't say it was the best decision and then say it was a mistake. Most of us had Doncic and Ayton at 1 and 2. One of them fell to our #3. Flashbacks of Gasol maybe
tbhawksfan1 wrote:I may be jumping the gun but my very early prognosis is TS made a mistake that I will curse him for for the remainder of my days.
tbhawksfan1 wrote:What do you think he's going to do for an encore. Trade next years top 3 (one of the dookies) for Langford and a future #20?
Birth of the Cool wrote:Perhaps coming from the Warriors organization TS had a bias for "Curry-Lite". There were questions about both Young & Doncic. Mainly for Young was his size & if his shooting could translate to the NBA. For Doncic it was can he handle the physical rigors of the NBA. However, Doncic is younger and had more experience playing in a "mans" league and imo had less chance for bust than Young. Young is the sexier pick.
Young's College career kinda revealed who he was in a way. Greatest strength being his play making but he also led all freshman in College in turnovers - whether it's the nature of his creative passing or his size/strength or combination of these factors it is worrisome that his turnovers seem to be a consistent problem. It doesn't matter if you get 10 assists if you are turning the ball over at a high degree causing fastbreak points, unnecessary fouls, killing momentum, etc. The biggest shock though is his lack of elite shooting - there were hints in College but I don't think many thought he would be this bad even in his rookie year.
PG is the hardest position to learn in the NBA so Young needs some time to mature & get the game to look slower for him and that comes from experience so there is hope. He also needs to get stronger both to defend players and also to attack players on offense.
I think Doncic will end up being the better player but Young has a chance to be special himself - but if he can't shoot the 3 at an elite level his ceiling definitely drops dramatically in today's NBA and this gamble by TS may end up haunting the franchise.
Sports Talk ATLHave the Hawks already lost the Luka Doncic trade?
It’s almost painful to watch, and even more painful to admit, but Luka Doncic has been better than advertised as a rookie in the NBA. The 19-year old is even putting up better stats this year than he did last year in the EuroLeague- when he led Real Madrid to a EuroLeague title and captured the MVP award.
Through 24 games with the Mavericks, Doncic is averaging 17.8 points, 6.7 rebounds, and 4.3 assists. He’s also shooting the ball at a respectable percentage from the field (42.8%) and even more impressively from three-point range (37.1%). However, it’s not the stats that have NBA fans around the league in awe of the Wonder Boy. It’s the swagger.
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It’s almost painful to watch, and even more painful to admit, but Luka Doncic has been better than advertised as a rookie in the NBA. The 19-year old is even putting up better stats this year than he did last year in the EuroLeague- when he led Real Madrid to a EuroLeague title and captured the MVP award.
Through 24 games with the Mavericks, Doncic is averaging 17.8 points, 6.7 rebounds, and 4.3 assists. He’s also shooting the ball at a respectable percentage from the field (42.8%) and even more impressively from three-point range (37.1%). However, it’s not the stats that have NBA fans around the league in awe of the Wonder Boy. It’s the swagger. His game is so silky smooth and it comes with an understanding of how to play basketball the right way.
Meanwhile, Trae Young’s sizzling start has hit a major speed bump over the last month or so. Surprisingly, it has been his shot that has been failing him. In the month of November, Young averaged 14.0 points but on 35.5% shooting from the field and an astonishing 19.8% from behind the arc. At least, the only possible direction is up for him in December- right? Wrong. In his first three games of this month, he’s actually managed to shoot an even worse 33.3% from the field and 18.2% from three.
Trae Young could be an All-Star in the NBA. However, Luka Doncic appears to be an all-time great. Time will tell, but this trade is not off to the best start for Atlanta.
Jamaaliver wrote:Sports Talk ATLHave the Hawks already lost the Luka Doncic trade?
It’s almost painful to watch, and even more painful to admit, but Luka Doncic has been better than advertised as a rookie in the NBA. The 19-year old is even putting up better stats this year than he did last year in the EuroLeague- when he led Real Madrid to a EuroLeague title and captured the MVP award.
Through 24 games with the Mavericks, Doncic is averaging 17.8 points, 6.7 rebounds, and 4.3 assists. He’s also shooting the ball at a respectable percentage from the field (42.8%) and even more impressively from three-point range (37.1%). However, it’s not the stats that have NBA fans around the league in awe of the Wonder Boy. It’s the swagger.
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It’s almost painful to watch, and even more painful to admit, but Luka Doncic has been better than advertised as a rookie in the NBA. The 19-year old is even putting up better stats this year than he did last year in the EuroLeague- when he led Real Madrid to a EuroLeague title and captured the MVP award.
Through 24 games with the Mavericks, Doncic is averaging 17.8 points, 6.7 rebounds, and 4.3 assists. He’s also shooting the ball at a respectable percentage from the field (42.8%) and even more impressively from three-point range (37.1%). However, it’s not the stats that have NBA fans around the league in awe of the Wonder Boy. It’s the swagger. His game is so silky smooth and it comes with an understanding of how to play basketball the right way.
Meanwhile, Trae Young’s sizzling start has hit a major speed bump over the last month or so. Surprisingly, it has been his shot that has been failing him. In the month of November, Young averaged 14.0 points but on 35.5% shooting from the field and an astonishing 19.8% from behind the arc. At least, the only possible direction is up for him in December- right? Wrong. In his first three games of this month, he’s actually managed to shoot an even worse 33.3% from the field and 18.2% from three.
Trae Young could be an All-Star in the NBA. However, Luka Doncic appears to be an all-time great. Time will tell, but this trade is not off to the best start for Atlanta.
"[Doncic has] a great instinct to be a point guard, but there's the quickness factor," Dragic told ESPN at the 2017 EuroBasket. "I think position 2, he can play that. Like Harden."
Dragic's reasons for the comp between his then-18-year-old Slovenian teammate and the upcoming NBA MVP: a unique form of athleticism combined with positional size, skill and craft.
And 14 months later, Dragic is beginning to look prophetic.
Harden's ability to put pressure on the rim at will is where this comparison loses steam. The Beard has long been one of the best isolation players in the NBA. It's not just Harden's step-back that's lethal, it's his ability to lull defenders to sleep before exploding to the rim when they least expect it -- and then rack up free throws at an astounding rate.
This crap is so ridiculous. Doncic looks like an all time great? Trae is a bust? The bench and vets are what's making Dallas a good home for Luka. Also, coaching. You put him on the Hawks he is not having this season. He'd be exposed on defense and having to carry the offense with no PG and non scoring center play.
