Trade Ideas (Part III)

[Stillwater]

http://amicohoops.net/cavs-dangle-korver-protected-pick-in-talks-for-sixers-fultz/
there is a discussion on this on the GB but I decided to throw it up here as well.
I would think a future 2nd and Korver might be overpay for Fultz as is, but if the CLE docs think his shoulder condition is repairable
I could see them giving up a protected 1st and Korver pretty quickly.

[Stillwater]

First off I'm not sold these types of moves are the best plan, but I think something like this would be reasonable for both orgs :
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7144352
Cavs take on the contracts from OKC of the defensive minded elite rebounder but still injured Roberson, the offensive but poor defender in Abrines, & the explosive but questionable iq Burton and 2020 top 10 & 20-30 protected 1st.( goes to ORL after 20) for the win now expiring Frye and basically expiring Smith. If the pick doesn't convey in 2020 Cavs get OKC 2020 & 2021 2nds and 2022 first if it falls between 4-13. (14-30) goes to ATL.If the 2022 pick does not convey OKC owes CLE nothing more.

[jbk1234]

Good article on who the Cavs view as trade assets v. keepers by Fedor (who I'm not always that impressed with when it comes to basketball analysis):

https://www.cleveland.com/expo/sports/erry-2018/12/591c4446371025/do-cleveland-cavaliers-have-in.html

[City of Trees]

Willie Cauley-Stein for TT?

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[Stillwater]

Willie Cauley-Stein for TT?

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https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7149942
doesn't work straight up.

[City of Trees]

Willie Cauley-Stein for TT?

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https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7149942
doesn't work straight up.

Im sure there are ways to make it work Kings have a number of expirings and cap space.. But as the foundation would that get Cleveland's interest ?

Do you guys see TT as a good fit in the Kings high paced offense?

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[Stillwater]

Willie Cauley-Stein for TT?

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https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7149942
doesn't work straight up.

Im sure there are ways to make it work Kings have a number of expirings and cap space.. But as the foundation would that get Cleveland's interest ?

Do you guys see TT as a good fit in the Kings high paced offense?

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I think they are very similar players but TT is more aggressive on the offensive glass and a better switch defender
so I'm not sold CLE would want back a similar offensively ltd player that lacks the best parts of TT's game.
If CLE did have interest in WCS with TT outgoing SAC would have to give up some other asset they don't want to part with for CLE to justify it, not just expirings like Randolph or Shump. ( Although I would bring Shump back in a heartbeat)

[City of Trees]

Prospects like Skal, Mason, or Jackson? Kings also have nine 2nds over the next three years.

WCS
Skal (or any prospect above)
Koufos (exp/buy out candidate)
Two 2nds

For

TT
Nwaba (or another exp)

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[jbk1234]

Prospects like Skal, Mason, or Jackson? Kings also have nine 2nds over the next three years.

WCS
Skal (or any prospect above)
Koufos (exp/buy out candidate)
Two 2nds

For

TT
Nwaba (or another exp)

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I'd do it if the seconds were good. I'm not terribly excited about Skal and I'd send someone other than Nwaba but the basic framework is fine.

[JonFromVA]

Prospects like Skal, Mason, or Jackson? Kings also have nine 2nds over the next three years.

WCS
Skal (or any prospect above)
Koufos (exp/buy out candidate)
Two 2nds

For

TT
Nwaba (or another exp)

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I'd do it if the seconds were good. I'm not terribly excited about Skal and I'd send someone other than Nwaba but the basic framework is fine.

What do you like about it? Cauley-Stein is 2 years younger than Tristan and will be looking for his first big deal as a RFA this Summer. With Nance Jr locked up and Tristan's contract running out in another year, maybe we should be looking towards the draft for a future big man upgrade?

In other words, my focus would be on getting a first round pick for Tristan or a younger player with some upside potential that wouldn't be redundant with Nance Jr.

[tundraknight]

What do you guys think of this rumored Cavaliers/Pelicans/Nets Blockbuster Trade?

https://www.inquisitr.com/5232771/nba-rumors-pelicans-could-acquire-kevin-love-in-three-team-trade-with-cavaliers-nets-per-bleacher-report/

“In a proposed trade deal, the Pelicans will receive Love and Rodney Hood, the Cavaliers will get Allen Crabbe, Solomon Hill, Frank Jackson, Shabazz Napier, two 2019 first-round picks, and two 2020 second-round picks, and the Nets will acquire Julius Randle and J.R. Smith.

To push through with the deal, the Pelicans, Nets, and the Cavaliers will be needing to wait until January 23, the date Kevin Love becomes trade-eligible. Also, the Cavaliers will be needing to ask permission from Rodney Hood before engaging him in any trade negotiation.”

[Stillwater]

What do you guys think of this rumored Cavaliers/Pelicans/Nets Blockbuster Trade?

https://www.inquisitr.com/5232771/nba-rumors-pelicans-could-acquire-kevin-love-in-three-team-trade-with-cavaliers-nets-per-bleacher-report/

“In a proposed trade deal, the Pelicans will receive Love and Rodney Hood, the Cavaliers will get Allen Crabbe, Solomon Hill, Frank Jackson, Shabazz Napier, two 2019 first-round picks, and two 2020 second-round picks, and the Nets will acquire Julius Randle and J.R. Smith.

To push through with the deal, the Pelicans, Nets, and the Cavaliers will be needing to wait until January 23, the date Kevin Love becomes trade-eligible. Also, the Cavaliers will be needing to ask permission from Rodney Hood before engaging him in any trade negotiation.”

I wouldn't take back Crabbe at all so that kills it for me but the first from Pels would have to be a couple years out unprotected on the hopes AD bails and their in the lottery. Nets pick would also have to have very light like top 4 protection and it would have to be a 2019 draft as they are fringe lottery after getting randle anyway

[jbk1234]

What do you guys think of this rumored Cavaliers/Pelicans/Nets Blockbuster Trade?

https://www.inquisitr.com/5232771/nba-rumors-pelicans-could-acquire-kevin-love-in-three-team-trade-with-cavaliers-nets-per-bleacher-report/

“In a proposed trade deal, the Pelicans will receive Love and Rodney Hood, the Cavaliers will get Allen Crabbe, Solomon Hill, Frank Jackson, Shabazz Napier, two 2019 first-round picks, and two 2020 second-round picks, and the Nets will acquire Julius Randle and J.R. Smith.

To push through with the deal, the Pelicans, Nets, and the Cavaliers will be needing to wait until January 23, the date Kevin Love becomes trade-eligible. Also, the Cavaliers will be needing to ask permission from Rodney Hood before engaging him in any trade negotiation.”

I think we're going to lose any Love trade we do, but if we have to do one, this is alright. Unless Love is low-key asking out, I'd hold onto him. Cavs will be very lucky to draft a player better than Love with any of those picks.

[King Ken]

I know J.R. Smith wants a buyout but his contract might be the most valuable asset in the NBA 2019 Draft. I think you guys can get mid 1st for him during the draft.

[Stillwater]

I know J.R. Smith wants a buyout but his contract might be the most valuable asset in the NBA 2019 Draft. I think you guys can get mid 1st for him during the draft.

Right the old cba grandfathered deal allowing him to be moved for full contract value where new team still able to waive him for his partial after dumping full value matching does make his contract worth something on draft day... depending on the buyout market and who becomes available I think there is a slight chance CLE can get something decent in draft assets 2 high 2nds if a non lottery team owns some or 1 mid-late first from same situation to a team with injuries or lacking depth for a playoff run that might actually want Smith's services the 2nd half of the season whilst also benefiting from acquiring him with his contract being as it is.But draft day is the goal I'm sure if noone bites before the deadline... if they were going to give him a buyout it likely would have been done long before now.

[jbk1234]

I know J.R. Smith wants a buyout but his contract might be the most valuable asset in the NBA 2019 Draft. I think you guys can get mid 1st for him during the draft.

Depending on how much of a buyout he'd be willing to take, it won't matter. We could still just take absorb another contract with the cap space.

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[DusterBuster]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2816634-blockbuster-deals-that-would-blow-up-the-nba-trade-deadline#slide3

Portland Trail Blazers Receive: Kevin Love (can't be traded before Jan. 24), David Nwaba

Cleveland Cavaliers Receive: Evan Turner, Anfernee Simons, Caleb Swanigan

After surprisingly fielding a top-10 defense last season, the Blazers had an offensive slant to their summer. While those moves have yet to make a big impact, the desire to avoid a repeat of last year's opening round—when the Pelicans correctly gambled that no one other than Damian Lillard or CJ McCollum could beat them—is obvious.

Portland's offense has jumped from 13th to eighth this season, but it still lacks shot-creators and explosive scorers beyond its high-powered backcourt. Kevin Love, who grew up in Oregon, could check both boxes whenever he's recovered from his November toe surgery.

His outlet passes can fuel Portland's transition game, his post-ups would add another bail-out option in the half court and his range would widen attack lanes for Lillard and McCollum to exploit. Love has also been an All-Star as a first option, a Finals participant as a No. 2 and a champion as a third wheel, so he'd fit wherever head coach Terry Stotts placed him on the pecking order.

And don't discount David Nwaba as merely a throw-in. Play him with either Maurice Harkless or Al-Farouq Aminu and Portland's new Big Three, and that's a ton of length, athleticism, energy and versatility coming from the supporting spots.

While the Cavs are in no rush to move Love, per Cleveland.com's Chris Fedor, his price tag and their timeline suggests they should be. Rival executives already feel Love "is available for the proverbial right price," per Stein, and that might not be as much as you'd think. As one executive told Bleacher Report's Ken Berger: "You're not getting an asset for him under any circumstances."

This isn't an asset-free offer, of course. Anfernee Simons has significant potential if a team is willing to wait, and why wouldn't the LeBron James-less Cavs be? Caleb Swanigan is a 21-year-old with a high hoops IQ and a bag of scoring tricks. Evan Turner is only signed through next season and might interest a wing-needy contender at the 2020 deadline as a veteran rental.

[Stillwater]

^ Interesting proposal but I don't think Simons alone is enough compensation for eating Turner who would be confined to the bench on a tanking team despite Love's contract being steep. I also don't buy the location being relevant for Love.
To me this could be fine tuned and maybe work, but as is doesn't move the needle enough.
make it Love and Hood & the 2021 second round draft pick from Milwaukee for Simons,Collins,Turner and the Portland 2019 first lottery protected,top 4 protected then unprotected ...and maybe I'd do it.
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7161008

[jbk1234]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2816634-blockbuster-deals-that-would-blow-up-the-nba-trade-deadline#slide3

Portland Trail Blazers Receive: Kevin Love (can't be traded before Jan. 24), David Nwaba

Cleveland Cavaliers Receive: Evan Turner, Anfernee Simons, Caleb Swanigan

After surprisingly fielding a top-10 defense last season, the Blazers had an offensive slant to their summer. While those moves have yet to make a big impact, the desire to avoid a repeat of last year's opening round—when the Pelicans correctly gambled that no one other than Damian Lillard or CJ McCollum could beat them—is obvious.

Portland's offense has jumped from 13th to eighth this season, but it still lacks shot-creators and explosive scorers beyond its high-powered backcourt. Kevin Love, who grew up in Oregon, could check both boxes whenever he's recovered from his November toe surgery.

His outlet passes can fuel Portland's transition game, his post-ups would add another bail-out option in the half court and his range would widen attack lanes for Lillard and McCollum to exploit. Love has also been an All-Star as a first option, a Finals participant as a No. 2 and a champion as a third wheel, so he'd fit wherever head coach Terry Stotts placed him on the pecking order.

And don't discount David Nwaba as merely a throw-in. Play him with either Maurice Harkless or Al-Farouq Aminu and Portland's new Big Three, and that's a ton of length, athleticism, energy and versatility coming from the supporting spots.

While the Cavs are in no rush to move Love, per Cleveland.com's Chris Fedor, his price tag and their timeline suggests they should be. Rival executives already feel Love "is available for the proverbial right price," per Stein, and that might not be as much as you'd think. As one executive told Bleacher Report's Ken Berger: "You're not getting an asset for him under any circumstances."

This isn't an asset-free offer, of course. Anfernee Simons has significant potential if a team is willing to wait, and why wouldn't the LeBron James-less Cavs be? Caleb Swanigan is a 21-year-old with a high hoops IQ and a bag of scoring tricks. Evan Turner is only signed through next season and might interest a wing-needy contender at the 2020 deadline as a veteran rental.

I wouldn't touch this.

[DusterBuster]

^ Interesting proposal but I don't think Simons alone is enough compensation for eating Turner who would be confined to the bench on a tanking team despite Love's contract being steep. I also don't buy the location being relevant for Love.
To me this could be fine tuned and maybe work, but as is doesn't move the needle enough.
make it Love and Hood & the 2021 second round draft pick from Milwaukee for Simons,Collins,Turner and the Portland 2019 first lottery protected,top 4 protected then unprotected ...and maybe I'd do it.
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7161008

I wouldn't touch this.

Oddly enough, the Blazer fans seemed to have a similar reaction. There's extreme hesitation to take on Love's contract given his extensive injury history.