GT: Nets @ Philadelphia - Wednesday, 12/12/18, 7:00pm

[MrDollarBills]

Yeah I think late in games like this, it really helps to have a 2nd ball handler out there when teams press or try to trap us.

Not sure why anyone has a problem with Dlo being taken out when he did. Yes, he made some shots (and so did a couple of the other guys), but it was all jump shots. Kenny put Spencer in, and immediately he attacks and gets to the rim. That's just not something that Dlo does on a consistent basis.

What I think I would question is how long Russell sat. Crabbe made some shots and so did Joe early on, but I wouldn't have minded Russell for Crabbe at that point just to give us another option. Its not like the Sixers have some big guards that we had to go with Crabbe at SG. Russell would have been perfectly fine on Chamet, Reddick, or McConnell. I think Kenny just prefers length out there.

That said, I know he had that bad pass late, but Kurucs just knows how to play the game. Knows how to find the right spots. Can shoot. Moves without the ball. And his length is trouble. One off-season with this team developing him physically and he really could be a crazy steal for us. That's two games now that he's closed over what? past 4 games?

Having said that, this is going to be an interesting decision for Marks. How can you spend big money on Russell when his coach doesn't trust him (at times) when the game is on the line? Judging by who he plays, its pretty clear that Kenny trusts Spencer and Caris more to close games out.

The Nets were lucky that they got the ball up the court towards the end of that game. Russell should have absolutely been out there to help Dinwiddie. That could have been easily been an embarrassing loss.

[MrDollarBills]

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Lol i'm glad i'm not the one seeing the favortism by KA...i think he wants to make sure Levert and Dinwiddie gets paid since he developed them. That's ok, see you in Philly next yr, Dlo. Leave KA and you'll be alright.

umm stop reflectig? Why the hell would he bench Spencer? He was unconcious? Why we he take out crabbe or Harris when they are shooting 50% on the 3? What the hell will D'lo bring in crunch time? He was playing only ok. He can't carry anything

Go back and watch the footage of the Nets versus the Sixers full court press. they needed more than 1 ball handler in there. they were extremely fortunate that the game didn't end in a disaster. It isn't about Spencer being benched, its about Spencer being completely gassed and having no one else that can handle the ball in there with him.

And you must have a really short memory. Who was the guy that scored 6 out of the 8 points that the Nets needed to beat the Raptors in overtime?

This is one of the few games where even I'm wondering what Kenny was thinking here.

[Prokorov]

Man.... this thread has all the enjoyment of a wet blanket girlfriend on her period.

We just wont a road game on the road vs a top 4 seed in the east after winning both ends of a back to back which included an overtime win over the best team in the NBA (raps at 23-7)... yet people want to kill the coach for not playing russell or something like that?



I'm one of the bigger Russell supporters/defenders here, but are we REALLY gone give Kenny a hard time for sitting him late when:

-Dinwiddie was on FIRE (career high 39 points)
-Harris was on FIRE (10 of his 14 points in the 4th including 2 of 2 from three in the last 5 minutes)
-Crabbe was on FIRE (20 points, 3-4 from three in the second half including 2 big ones late)

With Simmons and Embiid on the floor you cant go small, need 2 bigs alongside that trio. Also when dinwiddie has it going getting to the rim having your 2 best shooters/floor spaces in harris/crabbe or carroll isnt a bad idea.

Russell didnt play poorly, this wanst him being pulled for bad decisions, we rode the guys/unit that were red hot. i get you can play 2 ball handlers and Kenny usually does, but in this situation with dinwiddie dropping a near 40 spot and our shooters in the zone you ride that out.

As far as Jarret Allen, he was getting rag dolled by embiid (no fault of his embiid is a beast who has 45 pounds on him). Davis is a better matchup for him and the better rebounder to limit those second chances.

This was a great team win... Dlo and Fro didnt seem at all discouraged after the game. they know they deal. its a 15 man team all for 1, 1 for all.

[Prokorov]

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Lol i'm glad i'm not the one seeing the favortism by KA...i think he wants to make sure Levert and Dinwiddie gets paid since he developed them. That's ok, see you in Philly next yr, Dlo. Leave KA and you'll be alright.

umm stop reflectig? Why the hell would he bench Spencer? He was unconcious? Why we he take out crabbe or Harris when they are shooting 50% on the 3? What the hell will D'lo bring in crunch time? He was playing only ok. He can't carry anything

Go back and watch the footage of the Nets versus the Sixers full court press. they needed more than 1 ball handler in there. they were extremely fortunate that the game didn't end in a disaster. It isn't about Spencer being benched, its about Spencer being completely gassed and having no one else that can handle the ball in there with him.

And you must have a really short memory. Who was the guy that scored 6 out of the 8 points that the Nets needed to beat the Raptors in overtime?

This is one of the few games where even I'm wondering what Kenny was thinking here.

Press was an issue for Russell as well. turned it over once and nearly a second time. go back to earlier in the 4th and midway through the third. in general we struggle against the press. we had a unit on the floor of guys who dont turn it over much... if anything the move would be to have carroll in for kurucs as rookies are more prone to mistakes. although he handled it ok. the real issue was shamut went hero-ham at the end.

[MrDollarBills]

My gripe was strictly about ball handling. I am not saying Dinwiddie shouldn't have been given command of the game. He absolutely should have been the primary option last night.

That last 2-3 minutes were harrowing to say the least. Having two ball handlers versus the press would have at least been a better option than just 1, I know Russell struggles but he can at least get the ball competently up the floor and you can't trap both guys at the same time. I almost had a heart attack once Harris got trapped with the ball.

[MrDollarBills]

Man.... this thread has all the enjoyment of a wet blanket girlfriend on her period.

We just wont a road game on the road vs a top 4 seed in the east after winning both ends of a back to back which included an overtime win over the best team in the NBA (raps at 23-7)... yet people want to kill the coach for not playing russell or something like that?



I'm one of the bigger Russell supporters/defenders here, but are we REALLY gone give Kenny a hard time for sitting him late when:

-Dinwiddie was on FIRE (career high 39 points)
-Harris was on FIRE (10 of his 14 points in the 4th including 2 of 2 from three in the last 5 minutes)
-Crabbe was on FIRE (20 points, 3-4 from three in the second half including 2 big ones late)

With Simmons and Embiid on the floor you cant go small, need 2 bigs alongside that trio. Also when dinwiddie has it going getting to the rim having your 2 best shooters/floor spaces in harris/crabbe or carroll isnt a bad idea.

Russell didnt play poorly, this wanst him being pulled for bad decisions, we rode the guys/unit that were red hot. i get you can play 2 ball handlers and Kenny usually does, but in this situation with dinwiddie dropping a near 40 spot and our shooters in the zone you ride that out.

As far as Jarret Allen, he was getting rag dolled by embiid (no fault of his embiid is a beast who has 45 pounds on him). Davis is a better matchup for him and the better rebounder to limit those second chances.

This was a great team win... Dlo and Fro didnt seem at all discouraged after the game. they know they deal. its a 15 man team all for 1, 1 for all.

At least we know that this time, Russell being benched was strategic and not because he was playing poorly. that in itself is a positive thing that you can take away from it.

Still though...those last few mins were so sketchy versus that press I would have had to sacrifice a shooter for a ball handler.

[Claud]

In the 4th quarter, RHJ was benched by Rodi, Fro by Davis and Dinwiddie replaced Russ...

I agree that Russ seems to have a shorter leash than Dinwiddie but last night Kenny played the hot hands and we got the W.

[Mosdefinition]

Man.... this thread has all the enjoyment of a wet blanket girlfriend on her period.

We just wont a road game on the road vs a top 4 seed in the east after winning both ends of a back to back which included an overtime win over the best team in the NBA (raps at 23-7)... yet people want to kill the coach for not playing russell or something like that?



I'm one of the bigger Russell supporters/defenders here, but are we REALLY gone give Kenny a hard time for sitting him late when:

-Dinwiddie was on FIRE (career high 39 points)
-Harris was on FIRE (10 of his 14 points in the 4th including 2 of 2 from three in the last 5 minutes)
-Crabbe was on FIRE (20 points, 3-4 from three in the second half including 2 big ones late)

With Simmons and Embiid on the floor you cant go small, need 2 bigs alongside that trio. Also when dinwiddie has it going getting to the rim having your 2 best shooters/floor spaces in harris/crabbe or carroll isnt a bad idea.

Russell didnt play poorly, this wanst him being pulled for bad decisions, we rode the guys/unit that were red hot. i get you can play 2 ball handlers and Kenny usually does, but in this situation with dinwiddie dropping a near 40 spot and our shooters in the zone you ride that out.

As far as Jarret Allen, he was getting rag dolled by embiid (no fault of his embiid is a beast who has 45 pounds on him). Davis is a better matchup for him and the better rebounder to limit those second chances.

This was a great team win... Dlo and Fro didnt seem at all discouraged after the game. they know they deal. its a 15 man team all for 1, 1 for all.

So we should ignore poor decision making because the team over came it?

Everyone and everything needs to be evaluated on this third year of a rebuild kenny included

[MrDollarBills]

FYI, the Russell/Carroll/Kurucs/Dudley/Davis line up is now a +2 on the floor. I want to see Kenny use that line up with Dinwiddie at the point too, I think Spencer would really kill it with that line up.

[Prokorov]

Man.... this thread has all the enjoyment of a wet blanket girlfriend on her period.

We just wont a road game on the road vs a top 4 seed in the east after winning both ends of a back to back which included an overtime win over the best team in the NBA (raps at 23-7)... yet people want to kill the coach for not playing russell or something like that?



I'm one of the bigger Russell supporters/defenders here, but are we REALLY gone give Kenny a hard time for sitting him late when:

-Dinwiddie was on FIRE (career high 39 points)
-Harris was on FIRE (10 of his 14 points in the 4th including 2 of 2 from three in the last 5 minutes)
-Crabbe was on FIRE (20 points, 3-4 from three in the second half including 2 big ones late)

With Simmons and Embiid on the floor you cant go small, need 2 bigs alongside that trio. Also when dinwiddie has it going getting to the rim having your 2 best shooters/floor spaces in harris/crabbe or carroll isnt a bad idea.

Russell didnt play poorly, this wanst him being pulled for bad decisions, we rode the guys/unit that were red hot. i get you can play 2 ball handlers and Kenny usually does, but in this situation with dinwiddie dropping a near 40 spot and our shooters in the zone you ride that out.

As far as Jarret Allen, he was getting rag dolled by embiid (no fault of his embiid is a beast who has 45 pounds on him). Davis is a better matchup for him and the better rebounder to limit those second chances.

This was a great team win... Dlo and Fro didnt seem at all discouraged after the game. they know they deal. its a 15 man team all for 1, 1 for all.

So we should ignore poor decision making because the team over came it?

Everyone and everything needs to be evaluated on this third year of a rebuild kenny included

it wasnt poor decision making... it was elite decision making and the confidence to make the right move even if it means putting starters on the bench. thats popovich/jackson/riley level stuff.

[SpeedyG]

umm stop reflectig? Why the hell would he bench Spencer? He was unconcious? Why we he take out crabbe or Harris when they are shooting 50% on the 3? What the hell will D'lo bring in crunch time? He was playing only ok. He can't carry anything

Go back and watch the footage of the Nets versus the Sixers full court press. they needed more than 1 ball handler in there. they were extremely fortunate that the game didn't end in a disaster. It isn't about Spencer being benched, its about Spencer being completely gassed and having no one else that can handle the ball in there with him.

And you must have a really short memory. Who was the guy that scored 6 out of the 8 points that the Nets needed to beat the Raptors in overtime?

This is one of the few games where even I'm wondering what Kenny was thinking here.

Press was an issue for Russell as well. turned it over once and nearly a second time. go back to earlier in the 4th and midway through the third. in general we struggle against the press. we had a unit on the floor of guys who dont turn it over much... if anything the move would be to have carroll in for kurucs as rookies are more prone to mistakes. although he handled it ok. the real issue was shamut went hero-ham at the end.

Russell struggles with press when he's the primary ball handler. Having him in there with Spencer would have eased things up for both of them.

[MrDollarBills]

lmao the 6ers are frustrated

Dinwiddie sucks man, enough.

lol

[DeRoma]

Go back and watch the footage of the Nets versus the Sixers full court press. they needed more than 1 ball handler in there. they were extremely fortunate that the game didn't end in a disaster. It isn't about Spencer being benched, its about Spencer being completely gassed and having no one else that can handle the ball in there with him.

And you must have a really short memory. Who was the guy that scored 6 out of the 8 points that the Nets needed to beat the Raptors in overtime?

This is one of the few games where even I'm wondering what Kenny was thinking here.

Press was an issue for Russell as well. turned it over once and nearly a second time. go back to earlier in the 4th and midway through the third. in general we struggle against the press. we had a unit on the floor of guys who dont turn it over much... if anything the move would be to have carroll in for kurucs as rookies are more prone to mistakes. although he handled it ok. the real issue was shamut went hero-ham at the end.

Russell struggles with press when he's the primary ball handler. Having him in there with Spencer would have eased things up for both of them.

It's cuz he lacks athleticism and speed. Having another ball-handler won't make a difference because the big problem he can't create space between the defender and him and he can't pass his man. I'm not even trying to call him out. While dinwiddie is a better inbound player he is also not that great. However, his problem is different he is just not a good enough ball-handler. Dinwiddie is who Jeremy LIn was suppose to be for our team if he hadn't got injured. A hybrid guard.

[MrDollarBills]

Having 2 competent ball handlers versus a full court press definitely does make a difference, it has nothing to do with Russell not being quick.

If Spencer has to give up the ball because the press is bring two guys at him who do you feel more comfortable getting the ball and getting up the court, Russell or Crabbe/Harris? I was about to piss myself in fear last night at the end of that game every time they touched the ball against the press.

[DeRoma]

Having 2 competent ball handlers versus a full court press definitely does make a difference, it has nothing to do with Russell not being quick.

If Spencer has to give up the ball because the press is bring two guys at him who do you feel more comfortable getting the ball and getting up the court, Russell or Crabbe/Harris? I was about to piss myself in fear last night at the end of that game every time they touched the ball against the press.

There were numerous times Russell made epic mistakes in those moments. Having him in the court wouldn't have made a difference. Actually him slowing the ball-movement in a press situation could've cost us a game once again. Atleast we actually passed the half-court line and scored quickly.

[Prokorov]

Having 2 competent ball handlers versus a full court press definitely does make a difference, it has nothing to do with Russell not being quick.

If Spencer has to give up the ball because the press is bring two guys at him who do you feel more comfortable getting the ball and getting up the court, Russell or Crabbe/Harris? I was about to piss myself in fear last night at the end of that game every time they touched the ball against the press.

the guy to have put in would have been napier.

[MrDollarBills]

Having 2 competent ball handlers versus a full court press definitely does make a difference, it has nothing to do with Russell not being quick.

If Spencer has to give up the ball because the press is bring two guys at him who do you feel more comfortable getting the ball and getting up the court, Russell or Crabbe/Harris? I was about to piss myself in fear last night at the end of that game every time they touched the ball against the press.

the guy to have put in would have been napier.

totally slipped my mind. You're right, Shabazz would have definitely been great in that situation.

[MrDollarBills]

Having 2 competent ball handlers versus a full court press definitely does make a difference, it has nothing to do with Russell not being quick.

If Spencer has to give up the ball because the press is bring two guys at him who do you feel more comfortable getting the ball and getting up the court, Russell or Crabbe/Harris? I was about to piss myself in fear last night at the end of that game every time they touched the ball against the press.

There were numerous times Russell made epic mistakes in those moments. Having him in the court wouldn't have made a difference. Actually him slowing the ball-movement in a press situation could've cost us a game once again. Atleast we actually passed the half-court line and scored quickly.

Russell in a press situation with 8 secs to get the ball up the court and Russell stopping ball movement in half court sets are two different things though. And even then as of late he's been really racking up assists.

However, as Prok said, Napier would have been an even better choice since he's quicker and doesn't turn the ball over as much. But I'd still trust Russell more than Crabbe/Harris in that situation

[Prokorov]

Having 2 competent ball handlers versus a full court press definitely does make a difference, it has nothing to do with Russell not being quick.

If Spencer has to give up the ball because the press is bring two guys at him who do you feel more comfortable getting the ball and getting up the court, Russell or Crabbe/Harris? I was about to piss myself in fear last night at the end of that game every time they touched the ball against the press.

the guy to have put in would have been napier.

totally slipped my mind. You're right, Shabazz would have definitely been great in that situation.

in a vaccum. you are also trying to bring in guys off the bench who sat for a long period into a super up tempo rpess situation without getting warm. i never like that

[MrDollarBills]

the guy to have put in would have been napier.

totally slipped my mind. You're right, Shabazz would have definitely been great in that situation.

in a vaccum. you are also trying to bring in guys off the bench who sat for a long period into a super up tempo rpess situation without getting warm. i never like that

yeah. well whatever, we won the game and guys didn't blow it. but next time i'd prefer Kenny not take that kind of risk.