Shams: Dinwiddie extended 3 Yrs/34.5M (Player option 3rd year)

[Trader_Joe]

So we'd have to move Russell, Harris, and Crabbe and we still wouldn't have 2 full max slots?

Harris' contract is such a bargain that we could probably use it as chip for a contender willing to take on Crabbe for something expiring + maybe a pick. The idea makes me uneasy though.

The front office must've been really worried about striking out in FA and losing Dinwiddie to a higher bidder. Or they didn't think signing 2 FAs was realistic.

This could possibly be the case, as I've said all along. The idea of Leonard and Durant coming to Brooklyn is long shot at best.

even if you dont think it will happen you keep the option open. why close that door?

God, we went through this with Thad Young when you fixated on that deal for a year.

We still have that option.

Renounce Russell and RHJ.

Move Crabbe at the draft to one of the dozen or so teams with cap space to take him using the Denver 1st and/or 2nds. Not gonna be hard. We could also stretch Crabbe and trade Harris.

We just increased Dinwiddie's value and have an assett....like Thad who got us cap, a 1st and a 2nd.

We are in a better position after this deal....period.

[Papi_swav]

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[Rockice_24]

Looks like we would need to clear about 18M to get both KD and Kawhi to or basically at full max contracts. That is basically Crabbe so if we can find a team to take him and the DEN 1st we'd pretty much be back in business for two max slots.

Pretty much 100% sure Marks isn't stupid enough to completely take himself out of a chance for both Kawhi and KD. Especially since he has ties to Kawhi and KD trains with Levert. If they both want to come here it's possible to make it happen.

If they don't then no harm no foul and we have a really nice bench guard on a great deal.

[Rockice_24]

For comparison LAC would have to clear just shy of 14M to have enough for both of them.

We would have a much better roster in place though. They would have to trade Gallo and his 22M and take back only 6M at most.

[MrDollarBills]

Has anyone looked at Spencer's numbers since LeVert went down? They are jaw dropping (in a good way). Prok was right, Spencer's production is superb.

Anyone who is second guessing this signing is not being realistic. the chances of signing Durant/Leonard are at 0.000000786%. Retaining a 25 year old PG that is putting up excellent numbers across the board on solid efficiency on a team friendly deal is a no brainer.

If for some chance in hell that Durant and Leonard decide to team up and choose BKN (which again, is such a pipe dream I don't know why you guys do this to yourselves), the Nets can easily make space.

[SpeedyG]

Has anyone looked at Spencer's numbers since LeVert went down? They are jaw dropping (in a good way). Prok was right, Spencer's production is superb.

Anyone who is second guessing this signing is not being realistic. the chances of signing Durant/Leonard are at 0.000000786%. Retaining a 25 year old PG that is putting up excellent numbers across the board on solid efficiency on a team friendly deal is a no brainer.

If for some chance in hell that Durant and Leonard decide to team up and choose BKN (which again, is such a pipe dream I don't know why you guys do this to yourselves), the Nets can easily make space.

The numbers are probably padded by several games vs the Sixers who can't defend dribble penetration

But yeah, I'm ok with the extension. I still don't think, despite the numbers, that Spencer is playing as well as Caris was before he got hurt. The offensive numbers look good for Spencer, but the energy and length that Caris brought was Kurucs-like.

I kinda feel like Spencer is very much a system player. Like I can see him going to another team and not having the freedom he has here and not having the success since they wouldn't just open it up for him on his dribble penetration.

He's basically turned into who Jeremy Lin was supposed to be for us.

[Prokorov]

This could possibly be the case, as I've said all along. The idea of Leonard and Durant coming to Brooklyn is long shot at best.

even if you dont think it will happen you keep the option open. why close that door?

God, we went through this with Thad Young when you fixated on that deal for a year.

We still have that option.

Renounce Russell and RHJ.

Move Crabbe at the draft to one of the dozen or so teams with cap space to take him using the Denver 1st and/or 2nds. Not gonna be hard. We could also stretch Crabbe and trade Harris.

We just increased Dinwiddie's value and have an assett....like Thad who got us cap, a 1st and a 2nd.

We are in a better position after this deal....period.

1) renouncing RHJ/Russell and moving 100% of crabbe still doesnt get us to 2 max slots.

2) this is NOTHING like the thad situation. I 100% WANT Dinwiddie back. its the timing. there is no reason not to make this deal later, using dinwiddie rights to go over the cap after using our space

with thad it was 1 or the other... thad or cap. with dinwiddie we could/should have both

[Prokorov]

Has anyone looked at Spencer's numbers since LeVert went down? They are jaw dropping (in a good way). Prok was right, Spencer's production is superb.

Anyone who is second guessing this signing is not being realistic. the chances of signing Durant/Leonard are at 0.000000786%. Retaining a 25 year old PG that is putting up excellent numbers across the board on solid efficiency on a team friendly deal is a no brainer.

If for some chance in hell that Durant and Leonard decide to team up and choose BKN (which again, is such a pipe dream I don't know why you guys do this to yourselves), the Nets can easily make space.

on the season:

17/5/3/1 on 48/36/78 and 61 TS%

and thats in just 28 minutes. he has been better this year then levert was and we were all super excited about what levert was giving us. he may be our best player right now. we have 3 gaurds under 25 who all look to be really growing into excellent players. you can throw harris in that as well

[Prokorov]

Has anyone looked at Spencer's numbers since LeVert went down? They are jaw dropping (in a good way). Prok was right, Spencer's production is superb.

Anyone who is second guessing this signing is not being realistic. the chances of signing Durant/Leonard are at 0.000000786%. Retaining a 25 year old PG that is putting up excellent numbers across the board on solid efficiency on a team friendly deal is a no brainer.

If for some chance in hell that Durant and Leonard decide to team up and choose BKN (which again, is such a pipe dream I don't know why you guys do this to yourselves), the Nets can easily make space.

this isnt accruate... we can make the space, but not easily, and it will likely cost us our own pick.

this isnt the end of the world. we can manuever if we need to... the whole point isnt the contract or the player. its that you could have done the same thing and kept the flexibility. my assumption is marks wanted a handshake deal and dinwiddie told him no and marks put culture/making his layer happy over the felxibility which i guess is the right move if it went down like that

[Prokorov]

Has anyone looked at Spencer's numbers since LeVert went down? They are jaw dropping (in a good way). Prok was right, Spencer's production is superb.

Anyone who is second guessing this signing is not being realistic. the chances of signing Durant/Leonard are at 0.000000786%. Retaining a 25 year old PG that is putting up excellent numbers across the board on solid efficiency on a team friendly deal is a no brainer.

If for some chance in hell that Durant and Leonard decide to team up and choose BKN (which again, is such a pipe dream I don't know why you guys do this to yourselves), the Nets can easily make space.

The numbers are probably padded by several games vs the Sixers who can't defend dribble penetration

But yeah, I'm ok with the extension. I still don't think, despite the numbers, that Spencer is playing as well as Caris was before he got hurt. The offensive numbers look good for Spencer, but the energy and length that Caris brought was Kurucs-like.

I kinda feel like Spencer is very much a system player. Like I can see him going to another team and not having the freedom he has here and not having the success since they wouldn't just open it up for him on his dribble penetration.

He's basically turned into who Jeremy Lin was supposed to be for us.

statisitcally diniwddie has been better on both ends (although both he and levert didnt do much on defense). he has taken less shots in isolation/had less of his offense come in isolation then levert and he is getting more assists on a higher assist percentage then levert.

dinwiddie has become an elite driver. thats not system based

[Claud]

Has anyone looked at Spencer's numbers since LeVert went down? They are jaw dropping (in a good way). Prok was right, Spencer's production is superb.

Anyone who is second guessing this signing is not being realistic. the chances of signing Durant/Leonard are at 0.000000786%. Retaining a 25 year old PG that is putting up excellent numbers across the board on solid efficiency on a team friendly deal is a no brainer.

If for some chance in hell that Durant and Leonard decide to team up and choose BKN (which again, is such a pipe dream I don't know why you guys do this to yourselves), the Nets can easily make space.

The numbers are probably padded by several games vs the Sixers who can't defend dribble penetration

But yeah, I'm ok with the extension. I still don't think, despite the numbers, that Spencer is playing as well as Caris was before he got hurt. The offensive numbers look good for Spencer, but the energy and length that Caris brought was Kurucs-like.

I kinda feel like Spencer is very much a system player. Like I can see him going to another team and not having the freedom he has here and not having the success since they wouldn't just open it up for him on his dribble penetration.

He's basically turned into who Jeremy Lin was supposed to be for us.

statisitcally diniwddie has been better on both ends (although both he and levert didnt do much on defense). he has taken less shots in isolation/had less of his offense come in isolation then levert and he is getting more assists on a higher assist percentage then levert.

dinwiddie has become an elite driver. thats not system based

Prok I know you dislike LeVert but saying LeVert is just as bad as Din defensively is ridiculous.

Dinwiddie gets cooked on D on a nightly basis while LeVert was guarding top wings/guards every night and holding his own on most nights.

[Trader_Joe]

even if you dont think it will happen you keep the option open. why close that door?

God, we went through this with Thad Young when you fixated on that deal for a year.

We still have that option.

Renounce Russell and RHJ.

Move Crabbe at the draft to one of the dozen or so teams with cap space to take him using the Denver 1st and/or 2nds. Not gonna be hard. We could also stretch Crabbe and trade Harris.

We just increased Dinwiddie's value and have an assett....like Thad who got us cap, a 1st and a 2nd.

We are in a better position after this deal....period.

1) renouncing RHJ/Russell and moving 100% of crabbe still doesnt get us to 2 max slots.

2) this is NOTHING like the thad situation. I 100% WANT Dinwiddie back. its the timing. there is no reason not to make this deal later, using dinwiddie rights to go over the cap after using our space

with thad it was 1 or the other... thad or cap. with dinwiddie we could/should have both

1. Yes it does. Not sure what numbers you're crunching.

2. 100% want him back means lock him up, not lose him to the Suns or Magic for 15m per.

[DeRoma]

God, we went through this with Thad Young when you fixated on that deal for a year.

We still have that option.

Renounce Russell and RHJ.

Move Crabbe at the draft to one of the dozen or so teams with cap space to take him using the Denver 1st and/or 2nds. Not gonna be hard. We could also stretch Crabbe and trade Harris.

We just increased Dinwiddie's value and have an assett....like Thad who got us cap, a 1st and a 2nd.

We are in a better position after this deal....period.

1) renouncing RHJ/Russell and moving 100% of crabbe still doesnt get us to 2 max slots.

2) this is NOTHING like the thad situation. I 100% WANT Dinwiddie back. its the timing. there is no reason not to make this deal later, using dinwiddie rights to go over the cap after using our space

with thad it was 1 or the other... thad or cap. with dinwiddie we could/should have both

1. Yes it does. Not sure what numbers you're crunching.

2. 100% want him back means lock him up, not lose him to the Suns or Magic for 15m per.

Just did the math. We have 50.82 in the books with renouncing everyone, declining Napier's team option, and releasing Graham. This does not include the draft picks' cap hold. So All together, depending where we land in our draft picks, we should have around 54-56 million active roster cap. The 2019 projected max salary cap is 109 million. So as of right now we have around 53-55 million cap space.

So there are plenty of ways to get our 2 max slots. Either trade Joe Harris, trade both our draft picks or get rid of Allen Crabbe (waive-stretch or trade).