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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc 

Post#401 » by OrlandoDream » Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:44 am

woosah wrote:
Furinkazan wrote:meanwhile our GMs pretend they are working hard

Everyone knows they are sitting on their hands (and farting on them lol) doing NOTHING, and collecting that check.

aka "evaluating"

They have a plan. We just dont know what the hell it is. There are so many PG backup and starting right now in NBA teams that are tradeable and we chose to stay with the DJ/Grant backcourt....top 3 worse in the NBA.

They have to be cooking something either before deadline or offseason to be this patient. If you really want to win now and make the PO. How the f*ck do you roll out the season with this backcourt?

Something is gonna change.....soon
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc 

Post#402 » by woosah » Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:56 am

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woosah wrote:
Furinkazan wrote:meanwhile our GMs pretend they are working hard

Everyone knows they are sitting on their hands (and farting on them lol) doing NOTHING, and collecting that check.

aka "evaluating"

They have a plan. We just dont know what the hell it is. There are so many PG backup and starting right now in NBA teams that are tradeable and we chose to stay with the DJ/Grant backcourt....top 3 worse in the NBA.

They have to be cooking something either before deadline or offseason to be this patient. If you really want to win now and make the PO. How the f*ck do you roll out the season with this backcourt?

Something is gonna change.....soon

I'm gonna have to say they may have a new plan, because Grant was part of the plan. They evaluated and decided to target him in a trade to get rid of BB. Then they went a little further and sought high and wide and went to Europe to sign Briscoe. They thought they would make a difference, lol. So yeah, how indeed the F do you do that and it was on purpose? Idk. They did though. So i am not so sure of their precious plan. I do not think they thought we'd be a potential playoff team, but they clearly are not aggressively trying to pursue something to increase our chances now that they see Clifford is making a difference. I'm glad someone is confident of their ability because I definitely am not.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc 

Post#403 » by OrlandoDream » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:01 am

woosah wrote:
OrlandoDream wrote:
woosah wrote:Everyone knows they are sitting on their hands (and farting on them lol) doing NOTHING, and collecting that check.

aka "evaluating"

They have a plan. We just dont know what the hell it is. There are so many PG backup and starting right now in NBA teams that are tradeable and we chose to stay with the DJ/Grant backcourt....top 3 worse in the NBA.

They have to be cooking something either before deadline or offseason to be this patient. If you really want to win now and make the PO. How the f*ck do you roll out the season with this backcourt?

Something is gonna change.....soon

I'm gonna have to say they may have a new plan, because Grant was part of the plan. They evaluated and decided to target him in a trade to get rid of BB. Then they went a little further and sought high and wide and went to Europe to sign Briscoe. They thought they would make a difference, lol. So yeah, how indeed the F do you do that and it was on purpose? Idk. They did though. So i am not so sure of their precious plan. I do not think they thought we'd be a potential playoff team, but they clearly are not aggressively trying to pursue something to increase our chances now that they see Clifford is making a difference. I'm glad someone is confident of their ability because I definitely am not.

I think this is part of it. Despite having an awful bench, no real starting PG, this team is still in the playoff picture in the East. I think they expected the lottery again this year so this has been a pleasant surprise so far.

So do they make an unexpected and sudden move to improve the team? Even with a starting level PG we are not getting past the 1st round. Just making the PO would be a successful season. But this FO is thinking long term so thats why as frustrating as it may be, we will most likely stay pat until the offseason and not make any sudden knee-jerk reaction moves for short immediate success that will just lead to a 1st round exit.

Offseason gonna be very interesting. I think the wet dream is luring Kemba with the Clifford connection but I dont see him leaving CHA.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc 

Post#404 » by MagicFan101 » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:19 am

Are people here claiming that Jerian Grant was part of WeHam’s serious plan?

Grant was a one year punt towards a 2019 summer more rich in free agent point guards.

I don’t expect much from you guys but come on ... just a hint of common sense is all I ask.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc 

Post#405 » by woosah » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:21 am

OrlandoDream wrote:
woosah wrote:
OrlandoDream wrote:They have a plan. We just dont know what the hell it is. There are so many PG backup and starting right now in NBA teams that are tradeable and we chose to stay with the DJ/Grant backcourt....top 3 worse in the NBA.

They have to be cooking something either before deadline or offseason to be this patient. If you really want to win now and make the PO. How the f*ck do you roll out the season with this backcourt?

Something is gonna change.....soon

I'm gonna have to say they may have a new plan, because Grant was part of the plan. They evaluated and decided to target him in a trade to get rid of BB. Then they went a little further and sought high and wide and went to Europe to sign Briscoe. They thought they would make a difference, lol. So yeah, how indeed the F do you do that and it was on purpose? Idk. They did though. So i am not so sure of their precious plan. I do not think they thought we'd be a potential playoff team, but they clearly are not aggressively trying to pursue something to increase our chances now that they see Clifford is making a difference. I'm glad someone is confident of their ability because I definitely am not.

I think this is part of it. Despite having an awful bench, no real starting PG, this team is still in the playoff picture in the East. I think they expected the lottery again this year so this has been a pleasant surprise so far.

So do they make an unexpected and sudden move to improve the team? Even with a starting level PG we are not getting past the 1st round. Just making the PO would be a successful season. But this FO is thinking long term so thats why as frustrating as it may be, we will most likely stay pat until the offseason and not make any sudden knee-jerk reaction moves for short immediate success that will just lead to a 1st round exit.

Offseason gonna be very interesting. I think the wet dream is luring Kemba with the Clifford connection but I dont see him leaving CHA.

I think you have to have a plan, but you also have to be open to opportunistic moves to improve the team also. I wouldn't say making a move under the latter category is "sudden" but it's adjusting your plan. If it improves the team then you consider it, and i do mean for the long term. It's like the lakers not making the move for PG because they took his interest as a definite sign he would come in free agency. The opportunity came to improve things and they stayed on the rigid plan they had and lost out. The opposite would be Morey going for Chris Paul when he became available. That wasn't the plan but he adjusted the plan because a great opportunity came along. They were one game from the finals because of it. (now giving him that contract and the moves from this summer are another matter lol)

I do think Kemba is a pipedream, and so that better not be the plan lol. It can be a swing at a home run but we better have something else lined up to get on base and try to manufacture a score to make some progress in growing this team. If this year is a pleasant surprise then why not encourage the effort and get some help in here? If they would prefer to get a great pick, then why not try to help that happen by trading some of the expirings? It's like they do not want to tip their hand or something as to the direction they want to go. I think many of us are interpreting that as they really have not decided yet, which doesn't encourage confidence.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc 

Post#406 » by basketballRob » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:25 am

Weltman said when he hired Clifford that he wanted to find a way to win without turning over the roster every year. I have a feeling they try to resign Vuc and Ross in the off season.

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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc 

Post#407 » by OrlandoDream » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:38 am

woosah wrote:
OrlandoDream wrote:
woosah wrote:I'm gonna have to say they may have a new plan, because Grant was part of the plan. They evaluated and decided to target him in a trade to get rid of BB. Then they went a little further and sought high and wide and went to Europe to sign Briscoe. They thought they would make a difference, lol. So yeah, how indeed the F do you do that and it was on purpose? Idk. They did though. So i am not so sure of their precious plan. I do not think they thought we'd be a potential playoff team, but they clearly are not aggressively trying to pursue something to increase our chances now that they see Clifford is making a difference. I'm glad someone is confident of their ability because I definitely am not.

I think this is part of it. Despite having an awful bench, no real starting PG, this team is still in the playoff picture in the East. I think they expected the lottery again this year so this has been a pleasant surprise so far.

So do they make an unexpected and sudden move to improve the team? Even with a starting level PG we are not getting past the 1st round. Just making the PO would be a successful season. But this FO is thinking long term so thats why as frustrating as it may be, we will most likely stay pat until the offseason and not make any sudden knee-jerk reaction moves for short immediate success that will just lead to a 1st round exit.

Offseason gonna be very interesting. I think the wet dream is luring Kemba with the Clifford connection but I dont see him leaving CHA.

I think you have to have a plan, but you also have to be open to opportunistic moves to improve the team also. I wouldn't say making a move under the latter category is "sudden" but it's adjusting your plan. If it improves the team then you consider it, and i do mean for the long term. It's like the lakers not making the move for PG because they took his interest as a definite sign he would come in free agency. The opportunity came to improve things and they stayed on the rigid plan they had and lost out. The opposite would be Morey going for Chris Paul when he became available. That wasn't the plan but he adjusted the plan because a great opportunity came along. They were one game from the finals because of it. (now giving him that contract and the moves from this summer are another matter lol)

I do think Kemba is a pipedream, and so that better not be the plan lol. It can be a swing at a home run but we better have something else lined up to get on base and try to manufacture a score to make some progress in growing this team. If this year is a pleasant surprise then why not encourage the effort and get some help in here? If they would prefer to get a great pick, then why not try to help that happen by trading some of the expirings? It's like they do not want to tip their hand or something as to the direction they want to go. I think many of us are interpreting that as they really have not decided yet, which doesn't encourage confidence.

Thats what I think they are waiting for. Every year you have one disgruntled star that becomes available. Its gonna happen again if not this season then the next. Its no surprise we desperately need to upgrade point and dont see us going after another project. I think this FO wants an established star and leader PG. I predict that eventually one of Lillard, Jrue(when AD traded), or some other good PG will become available.

If this year is a pleasant surprise then why not encourage the effort and get some help in here? If they would prefer to get a great pick, then why not try to help that happen by trading some of the expirings?
Because outside of Tross, AG ,and our FRP we really dont have that many tradeable assets. Bamba and Isaac are the future but Vuc and Fournier are not gonna net us much. We just dont have that many good assets to trade. Simms, DJ, Grant, Iwundu? Nobody wants them. Unfortely unless we trade one of the BIG or Ross, we are not making any significant upgrade. Our FO wont trade any of the core players now with this early success. What I would trade is our 2019 FRP. Youd think that alone could get us DLo, Tyus Jones, or some other PG upgrade.

I dont know. So many different paths the FO can take.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc 

Post#408 » by Driguez » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:46 am

MagicFan101 wrote:Are people here claiming that Jerian Grant was part of WeHam’s serious plan?

Grant was a one year punt towards a 2019 summer more rich in free agent point guards.

I don’t expect much from you guys but come on ... just a hint of common sense is all I ask.



Unfortunately all GMs we have or had are horrible according to everyone. Even the 09 Magic fans were bashing Otis even when he put a decent team on the floor. How about we wait and see? Adding Grant did nothing to our W-L. Hell, majority were expecting for this team to be 4-24 at this point.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc 

Post#409 » by basketballRob » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:46 am

OrlandoDream wrote:
woosah wrote:
OrlandoDream wrote:I think this is part of it. Despite having an awful bench, no real starting PG, this team is still in the playoff picture in the East. I think they expected the lottery again this year so this has been a pleasant surprise so far.

So do they make an unexpected and sudden move to improve the team? Even with a starting level PG we are not getting past the 1st round. Just making the PO would be a successful season. But this FO is thinking long term so thats why as frustrating as it may be, we will most likely stay pat until the offseason and not make any sudden knee-jerk reaction moves for short immediate success that will just lead to a 1st round exit.

Offseason gonna be very interesting. I think the wet dream is luring Kemba with the Clifford connection but I dont see him leaving CHA.

I think you have to have a plan, but you also have to be open to opportunistic moves to improve the team also. I wouldn't say making a move under the latter category is "sudden" but it's adjusting your plan. If it improves the team then you consider it, and i do mean for the long term. It's like the lakers not making the move for PG because they took his interest as a definite sign he would come in free agency. The opportunity came to improve things and they stayed on the rigid plan they had and lost out. The opposite would be Morey going for Chris Paul when he became available. That wasn't the plan but he adjusted the plan because a great opportunity came along. They were one game from the finals because of it. (now giving him that contract and the moves from this summer are another matter lol)

I do think Kemba is a pipedream, and so that better not be the plan lol. It can be a swing at a home run but we better have something else lined up to get on base and try to manufacture a score to make some progress in growing this team. If this year is a pleasant surprise then why not encourage the effort and get some help in here? If they would prefer to get a great pick, then why not try to help that happen by trading some of the expirings? It's like they do not want to tip their hand or something as to the direction they want to go. I think many of us are interpreting that as they really have not decided yet, which doesn't encourage confidence.

Thats what I think they are waiting for. Every year you have one disgruntled star that becomes available. Its gonna happen again if not this season then the next. Its no surprise we desperately need to upgrade point and dont see us going after another project. I think this FO wants an established star and leader PG. I predict that eventually one of Lillard, Jrue(when AD traded), or some other good PG will become available.

If this year is a pleasant surprise then why not encourage the effort and get some help in here? If they would prefer to get a great pick, then why not try to help that happen by trading some of the expirings?
Because outside of Tross, AG ,and our FRP we really dont have that many tradeable assets. Bamba and Isaac are the future but Vuc and Fournier are not gonna net us much. We just dont have that many good assets to trade. Simms, DJ, Grant, Iwundu? Nobody wants them. Unfortely unless we trade one of the BIG or Ross, we are not making any significant upgrade. Our FO wont trade any of the core players now with this early success. What I would trade is our 2019 FRP. Youd think that alone could get us DLo, Tyus Jones, or some other PG upgrade.

I dont know. So many different paths the FO can take.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc 

Post#410 » by OrlandoDream » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:51 am

basketballRob wrote:
OrlandoDream wrote:
woosah wrote:I think you have to have a plan, but you also have to be open to opportunistic moves to improve the team also. I wouldn't say making a move under the latter category is "sudden" but it's adjusting your plan. If it improves the team then you consider it, and i do mean for the long term. It's like the lakers not making the move for PG because they took his interest as a definite sign he would come in free agency. The opportunity came to improve things and they stayed on the rigid plan they had and lost out. The opposite would be Morey going for Chris Paul when he became available. That wasn't the plan but he adjusted the plan because a great opportunity came along. They were one game from the finals because of it. (now giving him that contract and the moves from this summer are another matter lol)

I do think Kemba is a pipedream, and so that better not be the plan lol. It can be a swing at a home run but we better have something else lined up to get on base and try to manufacture a score to make some progress in growing this team. If this year is a pleasant surprise then why not encourage the effort and get some help in here? If they would prefer to get a great pick, then why not try to help that happen by trading some of the expirings? It's like they do not want to tip their hand or something as to the direction they want to go. I think many of us are interpreting that as they really have not decided yet, which doesn't encourage confidence.

Thats what I think they are waiting for. Every year you have one disgruntled star that becomes available. Its gonna happen again if not this season then the next. Its no surprise we desperately need to upgrade point and dont see us going after another project. I think this FO wants an established star and leader PG. I predict that eventually one of Lillard, Jrue(when AD traded), or some other good PG will become available.

If this year is a pleasant surprise then why not encourage the effort and get some help in here? If they would prefer to get a great pick, then why not try to help that happen by trading some of the expirings?
Because outside of Tross, AG ,and our FRP we really dont have that many tradeable assets. Bamba and Isaac are the future but Vuc and Fournier are not gonna net us much. We just dont have that many good assets to trade. Simms, DJ, Grant, Iwundu? Nobody wants them. Unfortely unless we trade one of the BIG or Ross, we are not making any significant upgrade. Our FO wont trade any of the core players now with this early success. What I would trade is our 2019 FRP. Youd think that alone could get us DLo, Tyus Jones, or some other PG upgrade.

I dont know. So many different paths the FO can take.
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Hmm I need to see that. I think its just the FO wanting a bigger return then previous years especially if he is set to make the ASG this year. Rumors saying Boston is interested. But I dont want Rozier. Do anything possible to get Brown and the Kings pick.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc 

Post#411 » by woosah » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:56 am

OrlandoDream wrote:Thats what I think they are waiting for. Every year you have one disgruntled star that becomes available. Its gonna happen again if not this season then the next. Its no surprise we desperately need to upgrade point and dont see us going after another project. I think this FO wants an established star and leader PG. I predict that eventually one of Lillard, Jrue(when AD traded), or some other good PG will become available.

If this year is a pleasant surprise then why not encourage the effort and get some help in here? If they would prefer to get a great pick, then why not try to help that happen by trading some of the expirings?
Because outside of Tross, AG ,and our FRP we really dont have that many tradeable assets. Bamba and Isaac are the future but Vuc and Fournier are not gonna net us much. We just dont have that many good assets to trade. Simms, DJ, Grant, Iwundu? Nobody wants them. Unfortely unless we trade one of the BIG or Ross, we are not making any significant upgrade. Our FO wont trade any of the core players now with this early success. What I would trade is our 2019 FRP. Youd think that alone could get us DLo, Tyus Jones, or some other PG upgrade.

I dont know. So many different paths the FO can take.

Yeah, i get what you're saying. Waiting on that seems so empty though. I don't think it can be a plan, but more of a hope. What if one of them do become available but only want to go to X team who aren't the magic? We can't dangle around waiting for something that unreliable. At least with the lakers and AD that waiting has an end because they will know if he's taking the money with NOLA or demanding out this summer. Our scenario has no target and no assurance of working out for us. *sigh* We will see if they will do something around the deadline i guess with that frp you mentioned. We can hope! :)
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc 

Post#412 » by OrlandoDream » Sun Dec 16, 2018 2:58 am

woosah wrote:
OrlandoDream wrote:Thats what I think they are waiting for. Every year you have one disgruntled star that becomes available. Its gonna happen again if not this season then the next. Its no surprise we desperately need to upgrade point and dont see us going after another project. I think this FO wants an established star and leader PG. I predict that eventually one of Lillard, Jrue(when AD traded), or some other good PG will become available.

If this year is a pleasant surprise then why not encourage the effort and get some help in here? If they would prefer to get a great pick, then why not try to help that happen by trading some of the expirings?
Because outside of Tross, AG ,and our FRP we really dont have that many tradeable assets. Bamba and Isaac are the future but Vuc and Fournier are not gonna net us much. We just dont have that many good assets to trade. Simms, DJ, Grant, Iwundu? Nobody wants them. Unfortely unless we trade one of the BIG or Ross, we are not making any significant upgrade. Our FO wont trade any of the core players now with this early success. What I would trade is our 2019 FRP. Youd think that alone could get us DLo, Tyus Jones, or some other PG upgrade.

I dont know. So many different paths the FO can take.

Yeah, i get what you're saying. Waiting on that seems so empty though. I don't think it can be a plan, but more of a hope. What if one of them do become available but only want to go to X team who aren't the magic? We can't dangle around waiting for something that unreliable. At least with the lakers and AD that waiting has an end because they will know if he's taking the money with NOLA or demanding out this summer. Our scenario has no target and no assurance of working out for us. *sigh* We will see if they will do something around the deadline i guess with that frp you mentioned. We can hope! :)

Kemba really would be our best chance with the Clifford connection but MJ isnt gonna trade him and will want the kitchen sink for him. :(
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc 

Post#413 » by darthmerrick » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:16 am

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npiper17 wrote:
Could not agree more. It’s embarrassing how often this gets brought up by people who don’t understand the context in which it was said.


I completely understand the context of which it was said, why are you embarrassed by it getting brought up all the time? Are you a member of the Devos family? It was a weird ass thing to say regardless and it's going to keep being brought up on here as long as this team continues to have no direction for the future.

As part of a series the Orlando Sentinel published this weekend on what Orlando will look like in 2030, Brian Schmitz of the Orlando Sentinel asked the Magic CEO for his predictions on the team. Martins was confident the Magic will win a title in the future:

“I certainly believe by 2030 we will have won a championship,” Martins said. I firmly believe we’re going to get there and once you get there, you got the kind of team that hopefully can come back. I believe we will have won a championship.”


Sorry but your post suggests you didn’t read the Martins quote - he didn’t say the goal is to win a championship by the year 2030 and we’ll base our tanking / team building around that. He was asked where the Magic would be in 2030 and he said his hope is that they would have won a championship and have a winning team.

And it’s embarrassing because people should take the time to appreciate the context of what people say. It raises the level of debate at a time when this is at an all-time low in all areas of society generally. I’m not saying you didn’t take the time to do this, I think you just misread the quote.


I think this a is a cultural thing my friend in that we see the quote differently. I am a shoot from the hip American, have taken what he said and chosen to take liberties into reading into what is hidden behind the vale. Having watched Martins for years, I can fill in the gap to what I believe is happening. You on the other hand are a Scot. You seem to want to take a man at his literal word and while that should be the case...I'm skeptical slick Alex deserves that level of respect.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc 

Post#414 » by darthmerrick » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:21 am

OrlandoDream wrote:
woosah wrote:
OrlandoDream wrote:Thats what I think they are waiting for. Every year you have one disgruntled star that becomes available. Its gonna happen again if not this season then the next. Its no surprise we desperately need to upgrade point and dont see us going after another project. I think this FO wants an established star and leader PG. I predict that eventually one of Lillard, Jrue(when AD traded), or some other good PG will become available.

Because outside of Tross, AG ,and our FRP we really dont have that many tradeable assets. Bamba and Isaac are the future but Vuc and Fournier are not gonna net us much. We just dont have that many good assets to trade. Simms, DJ, Grant, Iwundu? Nobody wants them. Unfortely unless we trade one of the BIG or Ross, we are not making any significant upgrade. Our FO wont trade any of the core players now with this early success. What I would trade is our 2019 FRP. Youd think that alone could get us DLo, Tyus Jones, or some other PG upgrade.

I dont know. So many different paths the FO can take.

Yeah, i get what you're saying. Waiting on that seems so empty though. I don't think it can be a plan, but more of a hope. What if one of them do become available but only want to go to X team who aren't the magic? We can't dangle around waiting for something that unreliable. At least with the lakers and AD that waiting has an end because they will know if he's taking the money with NOLA or demanding out this summer. Our scenario has no target and no assurance of working out for us. *sigh* We will see if they will do something around the deadline i guess with that frp you mentioned. We can hope! :)

Kemba really would be our best chance with the Clifford connection but MJ isnt gonna trade him and will want the kitchen sink for him. :(

MJ is not trading Kemba at this point, and agree he would be perfect for this team...too bad we didn't go after him last year when some of our guys had higher ceilings and Kemba was available for trade.

I don't think we are getting a PG in the next draft. We are going to have to trade to get our guy.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc 

Post#415 » by OrlandoDream » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:46 am

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woosah wrote:Yeah, i get what you're saying. Waiting on that seems so empty though. I don't think it can be a plan, but more of a hope. What if one of them do become available but only want to go to X team who aren't the magic? We can't dangle around waiting for something that unreliable. At least with the lakers and AD that waiting has an end because they will know if he's taking the money with NOLA or demanding out this summer. Our scenario has no target and no assurance of working out for us. *sigh* We will see if they will do something around the deadline i guess with that frp you mentioned. We can hope! :)

Kemba really would be our best chance with the Clifford connection but MJ isnt gonna trade him and will want the kitchen sink for him. :(

MJ is not trading Kemba at this point, and agree he would be perfect for this team...too bad we didn't go after him last year when some of our guys had higher ceilings and Kemba was available for trade.

I don't think we are getting a PG in the next draft. We are going to have to trade to get our guy.

Only pg worth next draft is Ja Morant but we wont be in range for him. I think it will come by free agency. We arent getting a veteran staring level PG on this team without giving up one of the BIG. Keep all assets and go after DLo. Nets just signed Dinwiddie and DLo prob the oddman out since Nets still want to sign a max contract guy in the offseason. DLO wouldnt be a bad backup plan.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc 

Post#416 » by rcklsscognition » Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:36 am

Vuc is now 4th in total blocks in Orlando Magic history.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc 

Post#417 » by Knightro » Sun Dec 16, 2018 5:12 am

OrlandoDream wrote:Only pg worth next draft is Ja Morant but we wont be in range for him. I think it will come by free agency. We arent getting a veteran staring level PG on this team without giving up one of the BIG. Keep all assets and go after DLo. Nets just signed Dinwiddie and DLo prob the oddman out since Nets still want to sign a max contract guy in the offseason. DLO wouldnt be a bad backup plan.


Why won't they be in range for him?

If they miss the playoffs, they'll draft 8th. If one other team passes them, they'll draft 7th. Morant is good, but I think he's FIRMLY in the 7-10 range, not the top 5.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc 

Post#418 » by OrlandoDream » Sun Dec 16, 2018 5:27 am

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OrlandoDream wrote:Only pg worth next draft is Ja Morant but we wont be in range for him. I think it will come by free agency. We arent getting a veteran staring level PG on this team without giving up one of the BIG. Keep all assets and go after DLo. Nets just signed Dinwiddie and DLo prob the oddman out since Nets still want to sign a max contract guy in the offseason. DLO wouldnt be a bad backup plan.


Why won't they be in range for him?

If they miss the playoffs, they'll draft 8th. If one other team passes them, they'll draft 7th. Morant is good, but I think he's FIRMLY in the 7-10 range, not the top 5.

The way the season is going we are not gonna pick top 10. There will be teams worse then us. As long as injuries don't derail us again, we will be in the 7-8th seed competition.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc 

Post#419 » by Knightro » Sun Dec 16, 2018 5:33 am

OrlandoDream wrote:The way the season is going we are not gonna pick top 10. There will be teams worse then us. As long as injuries don't derail us again, we will be in the 7-8th seed competition.


The way I see it...

If the Magic make the playoffs, they're picking 15th.

If they miss the playoffs, then either Miami or Washington has passed them and they'll be picking 8th.

Look at the standings.

It's VERY likely that 9-14 in the West end up better than 9th in the East.

The difference between making and missing the playoffs in the East is going to be worth at least 7, if not 8 spots.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc 

Post#420 » by NavalAviator94 » Sun Dec 16, 2018 6:25 am

Knightro wrote:
OrlandoDream wrote:The way the season is going we are not gonna pick top 10. There will be teams worse then us. As long as injuries don't derail us again, we will be in the 7-8th seed competition.


The way I see it...

If the Magic make the playoffs, they're picking 15th.

If they miss the playoffs, then either Miami or Washington has passed them and they'll be picking 8th.

Look at the standings.

It's VERY likely that 9-14 in the West end up better than 9th in the East.

The difference between making and missing the playoffs in the East is going to be worth at least 7, if not 8 spots.


Exactly. Said another way, if you had the playoffs based on wins and losses, half the east would likely be out. That ultimately helps our draft slot.


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