Regular Season Game 29: Utah Jazz (14-15) at Orlando Magic/Mexico City (13-15)

[Nemesis21]

False. Keep smoking that dumb ****. You want the elite talent in the draft, but want the Magic to win enough to not be in top 10 lottery. You are a fool. Period.

Magic won't be picking top 10. Morant won't go lower than 6-7.

Sometimes I think you just like to argue with me for no reason and just ignore basic facts.

Take a look at this...



Miami is currently the 9th seed in the East, aka the first team out of the playoffs, and they are currently picking 8th. The 10th seed in the East is currently picking 7th.

If the Magic miss the playoffs, it's a virtual guarantee they will be picking in the top 10 and likely the top 7 or 8 because the bottom of the West is THAT good.

There are four teams in the West right now that are out of the playoffs that have a better record than the Magic and another two that are out of the playoffs that are only a game worse.

You are going by how things look now. 53 games remaining. 32-35 wins will have you at the bottom of the lottery, if that lucky to be in the lottery.

I don't argue with you just to argue. I also don't force my opinion and try to correct every single poster that you disagree with, like you do.

[Knightro]

You are going by how things look now. 53 games remaining. 32-35 wins will have you at the bottom of the lottery, if that lucky to be in the lottery.

I don't argue with you just to argue. I also don't force my opinion and try to correct every single poster that you disagree with, like you do.

So let's talk about it logically. This year is unlike most years. There's only one bad team in the West. A scenario very much exists where the West will have five or even six teams that MISS the playoffs that would be the 8 seed in the East.

If the Magic win under 35 games, will that get them the 8 seed in the East? My personal opinion is no. I think 32-34 wins misses the playoffs in the East.

So if they miss the playoffs with 32-35 wins, where will they be drafting?

Do you really think the Kings, Spurs, Pelicans, Jazz, Rockets and Wolves all all win fewer than 32-34 games? I don't.

The fact is THREE of those six teams listed above would have to end up with worse records than the Magic (if they miss the playoffs) to keep Orlando out of the top 10.

Most years you would be absolutely correct in saying that 32-35 wins would give you a pick outside the top 10. This year just happens to be unique because there's only 1 tanking team in the West. It's absolutely possible that you see 14 teams in the West win at least 32 times.

[VFX]

or maybe they understand growth. You dont immediately go from #5 lottery pick to #4 seed and contender in 1 off season.

You also don’t get there by keeping and starting a bunch of vets with no ceiling leading you to a mediocre record every year.

I agree, look at what the Clippers did last year at the suggestion of Jerry West. They tried for years with Blake to win.

They made the right move.

[Optimus_Steel]

I still think it will be a team finishing with atelast 40 wins in the east makes the 8th spot.

[drsd]

So if they miss the playoffs with 32-35 wins, where will they be drafting?

Do you really think the Kings, Spurs, Pelicans, Jazz, Rockets and Wolves all all win fewer than 32-34 games? I don't.

Last year the 32-35 teams drafted in the 9-11 range.

Miami is currently the 9th seed in the East, aka the first team out of the playoffs, and they are currently picking 8th. The 10th seed in the East is currently picking 7th..

These teams are certain to finish worse than Orlando: Phoenix, Atlanta, Cleveland, Chicago, and New York.

This has Orlando's "best" chance in the draft at slot-6

Then there are a cluster of teams worse than the Magic that you imagine could overtake: Washington, Brooklyn, Minnesota, Miami, and Utah. If Orlando slides to 9th, this probably means that either Miami or Washington overtook Orlando, meaning that the other did not and Orlando is still over Brooklyn.

This adds two more picks, the "best" Orlando could do is slot-8.

But that assumes that Utah and Minnesota both overtook Orlando, and I would not think it is probe for both, but let's add one.

In conclusion, based on the joint narrative Orlando drafts 9th.

[drsd]

I still think it will be a team finishing with atelast 40 wins in the east makes the 8th spot.

Right now I see six teams fighting for three playoff slots: Detroit, Charlotte, Orlando, Washington, Miami, and Brooklyn.

If one of these teams get to 43 wins, that might be the top of the lot, which is the #6 seed.
I could see a 41 win team as the #7 seed.
And a 39 win team as the #8 seed.

[Duradero]

Everyone's going to be shocked when we package the pick for a trade. All those draft fantasies...

[j-ragg]

Everyone's going to be shocked when we trade.

Fixed.

[Furinkazan]

Everyone's going to be shocked when we trade.

Fixed.

[BadMofoPimp]

False. Keep smoking that dumb ****. You want the elite talent in the draft, but want the Magic to win enough to not be in top 10 lottery. You are a fool. Period.

Magic won't be picking top 10. Morant won't go lower than 6-7.

Sometimes I think you just like to argue with me for no reason and just ignore basic facts.

Take a look at this...



Miami is currently the 9th seed in the East, aka the first team out of the playoffs, and they are currently picking 8th. The 10th seed in the East is currently picking 7th.

If the Magic miss the playoffs, it's a virtual guarantee they will be picking in the top 10 and likely the top 7 or 8 because the bottom of the West is THAT good.

There are four teams in the West right now that are out of the playoffs that have a better record than the Magic and another two that are out of the playoffs that are only a game worse.

Interesting but if the last 4-5 years have taught us anything, its that we should not depend on the draft to get us out fo this mess. Unless we are in RJ range(top 2), dont expect much out of the draft this year. Even Ja I think our FO wont be sold on. Yes we need a PG but with an already developing and project players in Isaac and Bamba we are not gonna pick up another project.

I think the FO wants an established veteran PG that has proven leadership and scoring/playmaking skills.

Dont expect our PG woes to be addressed in the draft. Expect trades and free agency.

There is probably no chance a pick 5-10 will become a difference maker, so I don't understand the futility in forcing the team to start losing games and ruining their faith in the franchise

[OrlandoDream]

Sometimes I think you just like to argue with me for no reason and just ignore basic facts.

Take a look at this...



Miami is currently the 9th seed in the East, aka the first team out of the playoffs, and they are currently picking 8th. The 10th seed in the East is currently picking 7th.

If the Magic miss the playoffs, it's a virtual guarantee they will be picking in the top 10 and likely the top 7 or 8 because the bottom of the West is THAT good.

There are four teams in the West right now that are out of the playoffs that have a better record than the Magic and another two that are out of the playoffs that are only a game worse.

Interesting but if the last 4-5 years have taught us anything, its that we should not depend on the draft to get us out fo this mess. Unless we are in RJ range(top 2), dont expect much out of the draft this year. Even Ja I think our FO wont be sold on. Yes we need a PG but with an already developing and project players in Isaac and Bamba we are not gonna pick up another project.

I think the FO wants an established veteran PG that has proven leadership and scoring/playmaking skills.

Dont expect our PG woes to be addressed in the draft. Expect trades and free agency.

There is probably no chance a pick 5-10 will become a difference maker, so I don't understand the futility in forcing the team to start losing games and ruining their faith in the franchise

Ja Morant is project to be 7-10 and def looks like an impact player. It's also the draft which means it's all more luck then anything else

[BadMofoPimp]

Interesting but if the last 4-5 years have taught us anything, its that we should not depend on the draft to get us out fo this mess. Unless we are in RJ range(top 2), dont expect much out of the draft this year. Even Ja I think our FO wont be sold on. Yes we need a PG but with an already developing and project players in Isaac and Bamba we are not gonna pick up another project.

I think the FO wants an established veteran PG that has proven leadership and scoring/playmaking skills.

Dont expect our PG woes to be addressed in the draft. Expect trades and free agency.

There is probably no chance a pick 5-10 will become a difference maker, so I don't understand the futility in forcing the team to start losing games and ruining their faith in the franchise

Ja Morant is project to be 7-10 and def looks like an impact player. It's also the draft which means it's all more luck then anything else

The key words are "looks like". Pretty much all players drafted in the Top 10 "looks like" great potential. Only 1 or 2 usually become great.

[Optimus_Steel]

If the Magic do make the playoffs this year this Mexico trip will be a reason why. 2 wins when things were looking dire. Of course Dec is still not over they could derail again.