The Nets - What are they?

dhsilv2 · Post #1 » by **dhsilv2** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:25 am

OK so I 100% have not seen the nets play this year. But they've beaten the raptors, the 76ers, the nuggets....basically they've got some decent wins. They just had a 144 point game. So I'm realizing I should likely watch some of their games as they don't appear to be an awful team despite their roster being fairly unimpressive.

Anyway just figured I'd see what people are thinking and seeing from them. They've won 5 straight and are looking suddenly at least interesting, just a fluke or is there something here?

Robo_Claw · Post #2 » by **Robo_Claw** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 11:34 am

Smart front office and a great developmental coach, Atkinson was loved here in Atlanta. They are set up to do well finally.

Post #3 » by **THE J0KER** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:48 pm

Nets have no stars but were a super-deep team, especially before LeVert injury. 8 starter level players are a great achievement for team management considering they have no own draft picks lately. But they desperately need a star, and should finally to start to use since next summer the fact that Brooklyn is a much bigger market than New Jersey.

Joel Embust · Post #4 » by **Joel Embust** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:00 pm

They have a stud in the making in the middle. Dude's only 20 years of age.

dhsilv2 · Post #5 » by **dhsilv2** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:22 pm

THE J0KER wrote:Nets have no stars but were a super-deep team, especially before LeVert injury. 8 starter level players are a great achievement for team management considering they have no own draft picks lately. But they desperately need a star, and should finally to start to use since next summer the fact that Brooklyn is a much bigger market than New Jersey.

They're the same market but ok, lol.

MemphisX · Post #6 » by **MemphisX** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:33 pm

Nets are really at the start of a rebuild. They just so happen to have some great assets and good young players already in place.

Kwakle · Post #7 » by **Kwakle** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:42 pm

They seem to have trouble closing out games. They have blown so many leads in the fourth quarter after playing great starts. Adding a true superstar can probably take them to the playoffs.

Post #8 » by **GeorgeMarcus** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:04 pm

They're similar to a poor man's Clippers built on balance, portability and depth. They're also benefiting from a good coach and roster continuity. Even for a divisional foe, I'm glad to see these guys claw their way out of the NBA slums.

alessandrux · Post #9 » by **alessandrux** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:12 pm

They are starting to win 1 year too soon.
With their scouting and player development they could really benefit from a good, or at least decent, first round pick.

That said, they have a good coach, deep team, run a good system and instilled a culture that rewards playing hard, which are all nice things. Still how bad would be one more bad year (of which the would benefit of themselves) ?

Prokorov · Post #10 » by **Prokorov** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:05 pm

dhsilv2 wrote:OK so I 100% have not seen the nets play this year. But they've beaten the raptors, the 76ers, the nuggets....basically they've got some decent wins. They just had a 144 point game. So I'm realizing I should likely watch some of their games as they don't appear to be an awful team despite their roster being fairly unimpressive.

Anyway just figured I'd see what people are thinking and seeing from them. They've won 5 straight and are looking suddenly at least interesting, just a fluke or is there something here?

Nets are what you would likely expect. A team of guys who play hard and play extremely disciplined/team ball. They are made up of low draft picks, role guys, cast aways... in other words guys with chips on their shoulder. Marks has brought a spurs-like approach to the organization, they dont bring in guys who they dont think fit the team mold on or off the court... and Atkinson has continue to grow his reputation as one of the better developmental coaches in the league.

We lack talent, but we are pretty interchanable 1 through 12 on the roster and can go long with the hot hands. guys typically stay in their lanes the roster is built as modern as you'll find with lots of ball handlers 3 point shooters, small ball bigs, and modern pick and roll/rim defending centers.

-We shoot a ton of threes and most are good looks
-We give up the fewest threes
-we dont shoot many midrange shots

The nets are an all-star talent or superstar potential rookie away from being a really good team for a really long time. I'm biased, but i think the nets are a joy to watch and follow. you really pull for every guy since most fought their way into big roles despite being low picks or dleague cast offs. We lose a TON of close games cause the opposing teams star gets them late buckets and we dont match unless dinwiddie or Dlo have it going.

I think the nets finish around 32-36 wins. another steady improvement (we were + 8 wins last season).

Prokorov · Post #11 » by **Prokorov** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:06 pm

dhsilv2 wrote:
THE J0KER wrote:Nets have no stars but were a super-deep team, especially before LeVert injury. 8 starter level players are a great achievement for team management considering they have no own draft picks lately. But they desperately need a star, and should finally to start to use since next summer the fact that Brooklyn is a much bigger market than New Jersey.

They're the same market but ok, lol.

its very much not the same.

Michael Jordan · Post #12 » by **Michael Jordan** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:15 pm

They've assembled a good supporting cast for a star player to come in and help them make the playoffs.

Maybe if Cousins returns 100% they'd go after him? Irving and Butler perhaps too. Despite not having a Porzingis-level talent I think they're in a better situation than the Knicks

HotelVitale · Post #13 » by **HotelVitale** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:30 pm

Robo_Claw wrote:Smart front office and a great developmental coach, Atkinson was loved here in Atlanta. They are set up to do well finally.

All that's true but I'm still not sure of their path to success. It seems like they could add a lower-level all-star and make the playoffs, but then they're just set up to treadmill (and they'll lose a bunch of their current players due to contract stuff). It's a good story that they pulled back from hell without any picks or fancy FAs but the road seems unclear (and potentially pretty rough) from here.

Not2BeBothered · Post #14 » by **Not2BeBothered** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:35 pm

Prokorov wrote:
dhsilv2 wrote:
THE J0KER wrote:Nets have no stars but were a super-deep team, especially before LeVert injury. 8 starter level players are a great achievement for team management considering they have no own draft picks lately. But they desperately need a star, and should finally to start to use since next summer the fact that Brooklyn is a much bigger market than New Jersey.

They're the same market but ok, lol.

its very much not the same.

Thank you, with as much success that the New Jersey Devils have had they still don’t get as much recognition as the Ranger or Islanders but they’re in the “same” market. Even with the nets being in Brooklyn they’re still 7th or 8th in coverage amongst the professional teams across the four major sports in NYC.

Post #15 » by **Harry Garris** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:38 pm

THE J0KER wrote:Nets have no stars but were a super-deep team, especially before LeVert injury. 8 starter level players are a great achievement for team management considering they have no own draft picks lately. But they desperately need a star, and should finally to start to use since next summer the fact that Brooklyn is a much bigger market than New Jersey.

They weren't really in New Jersey though they were in Newark which is just across the river from Brooklyn. Their old stadium is like 30 minutes drive from the Barclays center.

CKB · Post #16 » by **CKB** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:39 pm

Will the Nets re-sign DLO? Can they sign a star like Durant? They desperately need a star. The one season they have their own pick, they decided to play well. Say goodbye to Zion or Barrett. LeVert and Allen are good cornerstones for this team though. Nets have a good chance to make the playoffs as a 7th or 8th seed this season.

kieferli · Post #17 » by **kieferli** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:15 pm

Nets is fun to watch

Prokorov · Post #18 » by **Prokorov** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:17 pm

Not2BeBothered wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
dhsilv2 wrote:
They're the same market but ok, lol.

its very much not the same.

Thank you, with as much success that the New Jersey Devils have had they still don’t get as much recognition as the Ranger or Islanders but they’re in the “same” market. Even with the nets being in Brooklyn they’re still 7th or 8th in coverage amongst the professional teams across the four major sports in NYC.

Its a big issue... you can say NJ is in the same media/broadcast market but the lines of demarcation as well as pecking order as you mentioned are very much not.

The "NJ" market itself is also really split in two with central/south jersey following philadelphia teams and north jersey mostly following NY teams. th devils while great couldnt draw in the meadowlands and even after gettign an amazing arena in newark with a new train line still cant draw despite being one of the best run franchises in the NHL. The nets couldnt draw for the NBA FINALS in '01/'02. The league had to take over marketing and actually sources comapnies to try and draw interest and fill the arena... and that was against kobe/shaq lakers to boot.

it may be 4 miles and the same stations/media but that trip over the GWB makes an enormous difference as does the "new jersey" vs. "new york" or "brooklyn" on the front of the jerseys. Mikhail prokorov is on record saying he'd ahve no itnerest in buying if the move to brooklyn wasnt approved.

im a jersey guy, born and raised, love NJ... but the move to brooklyn was a great move. it will likely take a decade or so to get a foothold, but the following will eventually be bigger in brooklyn then it ever was in NJ

Prokorov · Post #19 » by **Prokorov** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:24 pm

Michael Jordan wrote:They've assembled a good supporting cast for a star player to come in and help them make the playoffs.

Maybe if Cousins returns 100% they'd go after him? Irving and Butler perhaps too. Despite not having a Porzingis-level talent I think they're in a better situation than the Knicks

I don't think cousins is a fit... the last regime wanted to draft and bring him in but doesnt seem to be a guy they'd have interest in. Nets have a 20 year old jarrett allen putting up 12/8/2 in 27 minutes in his second year and he fits more of the mold they want from a center. not sure cousins fits the Markinson/spurs culture either.

I think they would be hot on Kahwi, Klay Thompson, Tobias, Kemba, Kyrie, Butler... more of their mold. although i think its unlikely they land any of those. I think they probably end up being in Tobias Harris top 2 and maybe land him and make some noise on kemba but at the end of the day end up landing maybe Harris, bringing back russell and RHJ on similar friendly deals as Harris/Dinwiddie got (maybe 4/38 for RHJ and 4/60-65 for russell), add harris, retain ed davis, and keep building...

maybe move up in the draft if they can (using denver pick or Musa/Kurucs?).

Marks has been a strong draft so far with little to work with in all be-it a small sample:

first rounders (pick 20 or later): Caris Levert, Jarrett Allen, Dzanan Musa
Second Rounders: Isiah Whitehead, Rodi Kurucs

also dleague pickups: Sean Kilpatrick, Yogi Farrell, Spencer Dinwiddie

if the Marks can stay away from more Allen Crabbe/Otto porter/Kent Bazemore type massive overpays on role players nets will be good to go the next 5-10 years (meaning steady rise to a playoff team and then continued playoff apperances)

Phish Tank · Post #20 » by **Phish Tank** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:42 pm

Nets are a pretty fun team to watch. Will force teams to take them seriously. Coached damn well. Got a roster full of players without ego and play for their coach. They're doing it the right way. Sure, they'll lose their fair share of games, but it's alright.

Real question is what do they do next year? They have a lot of cap space if they renounce all their cap holds, including DLo and RHJ. But that leaves them with very few players to work with. And they now have Dinwiddie's new contract to account for. Is it enough to attract a star FA? Is there any room to add anyone else of significance after that?