Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread (Part 2)

[Jamaaliver]

So if I'm reading some of the reactions correctly, would it be fair to say a package of Bazemore and Prince leaving ATL would be welcomed if the return is young players, picks, and expiring contracts?

As a Sixers fan, I want to identify a possible trade that sends both of those guys to Philly to complete the starting lineup.

Zhaire Smith, Korkmaz, Bolden, Fultz and Patton no longer fit the current Sixers timeline.

Is there a 3rd team that could be brought in if Fultz doesn't move the needle for Atlanta?

Something like Fultz, Patton (after 12/15), Zhaire, Korkmaz, and maybe a first if needed?



Sixers have a 2 year window to then push for a Finals appearances or 2, and then Bazemore can either walk away and free up $20M, or sign for lesser money on 1 year deals like JJ.

THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PIECES in your scenario.

But I suspect you're not far off. Our front office would be stupid not to at least consider some variation on this offer.

[jayu70]

So if I'm reading some of the reactions correctly, would it be fair to say a package of Bazemore and Prince leaving ATL would be welcomed if the return is young players, picks, and expiring contracts?

As a Sixers fan, I want to identify a possible trade that sends both of those guys to Philly to complete the starting lineup.

Zhaire Smith, Korkmaz, Bolden, Fultz and Patton no longer fit the current Sixers timeline.

But from an on court/depth perspective I wouldn't to give up Wilson Chandler, JJ, or Mike Muscala as part of a salary match. They would all be key bench contributors.

So that leaves me with $20M incoming to Philly, and the main piece needing to go out would be Fultz to make the salaries anywhere close.

Is there a 3rd team that could be brought in if Fultz doesn't move the needle for Atlanta?

Something like Fultz, Patton (after 12/15), Zhaire, Korkmaz, and maybe a first if needed?

Maybe the Sixers need to use the Saric trade exception to make it work too? Or throw Muscala to a 3rd team and send something else over to ATL?

I think a lineup of

Simmons/Shamet/TJ
Bazemore/JJ
Butler/Chandler
Prince/Bolden
Embiid/Amir

Has enough versatility and defense with enough outside shooting to be serious contenders against Boston and Toronto. Chandler and Simmons would split time at the 4 spot too, with even Simmons and Bolden playing some small ball 5 on defense when needed.

Secondary moves would be to bring in a backup C in the buyout market.

Bazemore would be locked up for 2019-2020 and there would still be enough to sign Butler to his massive deal if he opts out, as well as still probably $11M more available for free agency in summer of 2019 to fill out any other depth issues.

If the deal can be done with keeping Muscala from a salary standpoint, then even better.

Sixers have a 2 year window to then push for a Finals appearances or 2, and then Bazemore can either walk away and free up $20M, or sign for lesser money on 1 year deals like JJ.

Fultz, Z Smith and the Miami 2021 1st as the main core of the deal plus filler for salaries.
Atlanta has a full 15 man roster some guys will get released.

[Spud2nique]

So if I'm reading some of the reactions correctly, would it be fair to say a package of Bazemore and Prince leaving ATL would be welcomed if the return is young players, picks, and expiring contracts?

As a Sixers fan, I want to identify a possible trade that sends both of those guys to Philly to complete the starting lineup.

Zhaire Smith, Korkmaz, Bolden, Fultz and Patton no longer fit the current Sixers timeline.

But from an on court/depth perspective I wouldn't to give up Wilson Chandler, JJ, or Mike Muscala as part of a salary match. They would all be key bench contributors.

So that leaves me with $20M incoming to Philly, and the main piece needing to go out would be Fultz to make the salaries anywhere close.

Is there a 3rd team that could be brought in if Fultz doesn't move the needle for Atlanta?

Something like Fultz, Patton (after 12/15), Zhaire, Korkmaz, and maybe a first if needed?

Maybe the Sixers need to use the Saric trade exception to make it work too? Or throw Muscala to a 3rd team and send something else over to ATL?

I think a lineup of

Simmons/Shamet/TJ
Bazemore/JJ
Butler/Chandler
Prince/Bolden
Embiid/Amir

Has enough versatility and defense with enough outside shooting to be serious contenders against Boston and Toronto. Chandler and Simmons would split time at the 4 spot too, with even Simmons and Bolden playing some small ball 5 on defense when needed.

Secondary moves would be to bring in a backup C in the buyout market.

Bazemore would be locked up for 2019-2020 and there would still be enough to sign Butler to his massive deal if he opts out, as well as still probably $11M more available for free agency in summer of 2019 to fill out any other depth issues.

If the deal can be done with keeping Muscala from a salary standpoint, then even better.

Sixers have a 2 year window to then push for a Finals appearances or 2, and then Bazemore can either walk away and free up $20M, or sign for lesser money on 1 year deals like JJ.

Fultz, Z Smith and the Miami 2021 1st as the main core of the deal plus filler for salaries.
Atlanta has a full 15 man roster some guys will get released.

Not hating this at all.

[CP War Hawks]

If I'm trading Prince, a 1st rounder has to come back, and I don't think the 2021 Miami pick will suffice.

[King Ken]

If I'm trading Prince, a 1st rounder has to come back, and I don't think the 2021 Miami pick will suffice.

I really don't think we are in position to trade Prince yet. Really young, not sure about his value but outside of a good 1st round pick, I just don't have interest in moving him yet.

[Spud2nique]

If I'm trading Prince, a 1st rounder has to come back, and I don't think the 2021 Miami pick will suffice.

I really don't think we are in position to trade Prince yet. Really young, not sure about his value but outside of a good 1st round pick, I just don't have interest in moving him yet.

I’m here too...6 months ago I wouldn’t trade him for anything but an all star...now a lil less.

[Spud2nique]

Wish we could pull off a deal with the Kings as its looking more and more like they need to make a few deals to get into the postseason. Unfortunately we make horrible trade partners as their future draft picks have been traded.

WCS and Koufos for Lin works as salaries but I have no interest in keeping either of the King players but swapping them out for a draft pick to another team might work.

[Jamaaliver]

NBA Trade Ideas from Latest Buzz

New Orleans Nets a Wing with Help from Atlanta and Miami




Atlanta Hawks Receive: Tyler Johnson, Hassan Whiteside, 2019 first-round pick (via Miami; top-10 protection; turns into 2022 and 2025 second-rounders if it doesn't convey), 2020 second-round pick (via New Orleans; top-40 protection in 2019; top-44 protection in 2020; extinguishes in 2021 if not conveyed)

Miami Heat Receive: Dewayne Dedmon, Solomon Hill, Wesley Johnson, Jeremy Lin

New Orleans Pelicans Receive: Kent Bazemore, Derrick Jones Jr.

Death, taxes, the Pelicans losing sleep over Anthony Davis' future.

This concern is typically hyperbolized—or flat-out invented—by rival fans hoping their team swings a trade for one of the NBA's five best players. New Orleanians have a right to be exhausted, exasperated, frustrated and then exhausted again.

But the clock is officially ticking. Davis will be eligible to sign a super-max extension this summer. Management is feeling the squeeze to make a move and impress their superstar, per Windhorst.

New Orleans kicked around Kent Bazemore scenarios last summer, according to The Ringer's Kevin O'Connor, who also noted Atlanta is still looking to get rid of the swingman's salary. This framework could reignite those talks.

The Pelicans would be adding $6.5 million in salary next season, but that shouldn't matter. Bazemore is an upgrade from Solomon Hill, and Wesley Johnson is once again out of the rotation.

New Orleans always needed to renounce Nikola Mirotic and Julius Randle (player option) to maximize its offseason purse anyway. That wouldn't change after this trade. Also: Derrick Jones Jr. could be sneaky fun under head coach Alvin Gentry, and acquiring two wings without forking over a first-rounder is a huge win.

The Hawks' gradual timeline would allow them to swallow this pill. Tyler Johnson, 26, is younger than Bazemore and costs about the same next season. He could be an intriguing piece off the bench and even soak up some minutes next to Trae Young. Viewed that way, Atlanta is basically taking on Hassan Whiteside and ditching two expiring deals for a first- and second-round pick.

Surrendering another first-rounder hurts the Heat but is a worthwhile price of admission. They would be ducking the luxury tax this season (seriously) while landing two to three playable assets who keep them in the playoff hunt. Jeremy Lin in particular would be huge for their shoddy half-court offense.

The Heat would also lop off more than $30 million from next year's salary commitments, which puts them comfortably under the tax and in line to re-sign Wayne Ellington and Rodney McGruder (restricted) or go outside the organization for help.

Bleacher Report

[Spud2nique]

NBA Trade Ideas from Latest Buzz

New Orleans Nets a Wing with Help from Atlanta and Miami




Atlanta Hawks Receive: Tyler Johnson, Hassan Whiteside, 2019 first-round pick (via Miami; top-10 protection; turns into 2022 and 2025 second-rounders if it doesn't convey), 2020 second-round pick (via New Orleans; top-40 protection in 2019; top-44 protection in 2020; extinguishes in 2021 if not conveyed)

Miami Heat Receive: Dewayne Dedmon, Solomon Hill, Wesley Johnson, Jeremy Lin

New Orleans Pelicans Receive: Kent Bazemore, Derrick Jones Jr.

Death, taxes, the Pelicans losing sleep over Anthony Davis' future.

This concern is typically hyperbolized—or flat-out invented—by rival fans hoping their team swings a trade for one of the NBA's five best players. New Orleanians have a right to be exhausted, exasperated, frustrated and then exhausted again.

But the clock is officially ticking. Davis will be eligible to sign a super-max extension this summer. Management is feeling the squeeze to make a move and impress their superstar, per Windhorst.

New Orleans kicked around Kent Bazemore scenarios last summer, according to The Ringer's Kevin O'Connor, who also noted Atlanta is still looking to get rid of the swingman's salary. This framework could reignite those talks.

The Pelicans would be adding $6.5 million in salary next season, but that shouldn't matter. Bazemore is an upgrade from Solomon Hill, and Wesley Johnson is once again out of the rotation.

New Orleans always needed to renounce Nikola Mirotic and Julius Randle (player option) to maximize its offseason purse anyway. That wouldn't change after this trade. Also: Derrick Jones Jr. could be sneaky fun under head coach Alvin Gentry, and acquiring two wings without forking over a first-rounder is a huge win.

The Hawks' gradual timeline would allow them to swallow this pill. Tyler Johnson, 26, is younger than Bazemore and costs about the same next season. He could be an intriguing piece off the bench and even soak up some minutes next to Trae Young. Viewed that way, Atlanta is basically taking on Hassan Whiteside and ditching two expiring deals for a first- and second-round pick.

Surrendering another first-rounder hurts the Heat but is a worthwhile price of admission. They would be ducking the luxury tax this season (seriously) while landing two to three playable assets who keep them in the playoff hunt. Jeremy Lin in particular would be huge for their shoddy half-court offense.

The Heat would also lop off more than $30 million from next year's salary commitments, which puts them comfortably under the tax and in line to re-sign Wayne Ellington and Rodney McGruder (restricted) or go outside the organization for help.

Bleacher Report

I don’t like the top 10 protection it’ll prolly turn to 2nd round knowing our luck. Plus we are after Davis ourselves no helping Pels.

[Jamaaliver]

Plus we are after Davis ourselves no helping Pels.

Would you be willing to trade Collins, Huerter and T Prince for Anthony Davis?

Cause that'd BE THE STARTING ASKING PRICE.

[kg01]

There is no scenario where taking Whineside is a good idea for anyone not named 'Miami'. MIA made that bed of nails, they're gonna have to lie in it.

I don't hate Tyler Johnson but I hate paying him as if you can't go to the Gleague and find a clone of him for cheap.

I haven't done this is a while but that whole thang is in the ... #EZPassLane

[Spud2nique]

Plus we are after Davis ourselves no helping Pels.

Would you be willing to trade Collins, Huerter and T Prince for Anthony Davis?

Cause that'd BE THE STARTING ASKING PRICE.

Free agent in 2020...he has a player option but obviously will decline. That’s our target. Good timing for us to grow till then.

[Spud2nique]

There is no scenario where taking Whineside is a good idea for anyone not named 'Miami'. MIA made that bed of nails, they're gonna have to lie in it.

I don't hate Tyler Johnson but I hate paying him as if you can't go to the Gleague and find a clone of him for cheap.

I haven't done this is a while but that whole thang is in the ... #EZPassLane

Ya...which is why I didn’t even respond to the Whiteside addition...never

[Jamaaliver]

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[King Ken]

There is no scenario where taking Whineside is a good idea for anyone not named 'Miami'. MIA made that bed of nails, they're gonna have to lie in it.

I don't hate Tyler Johnson but I hate paying him as if you can't go to the Gleague and find a clone of him for cheap.

I haven't done this is a while but that whole thang is in the ... #EZPassLane

Ya...which is why I didn’t even respond to the Whiteside addition...never

Zero reason we would have interest in Whiteside or Tyler Johnson contract. Not without an unprotected 1st involved

[King Ken]

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There really is no reason to trade him. Under control. Cheap. Rookie deal. FA in 2020. Unless we can get a lottery pick for him, there is no reason to trade him.

I would be open to a trade for a player like WCS for him if that was available which not.

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[kg01]

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There really is no reason to trade him. Under control. Cheap. Rookie deal. FA in 2020. Unless we can get a lottery pick for him, there is no reason to trade him.

I would be open to a trade for a player like WCS for him if that was available which not.

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I'd do that type of deal as well. But isn't Printz up for restricted free agency after this season? Meaning, he's about to get (up for getting) paid and, thus, is no longer gonna be cheap.

[Jamaaliver]

I'd do that type of deal as well. But isn't Printz up for restricted free agency after this season? Meaning, he's about to get (up for getting) paid and, thus, is no longer gonna be cheap.

It is approaching and is the most pressing issue regarding TP.

IIUC, he is eligible for a rookie contract extension next summer. If one isn't reached, he will become a RFA in 2020. Same for Bembry.

Since T Prince ain't a max player, there remains the possibility another team's aggressive RFA offer could lure him away -- a la Tim Hardaway Jr and the Knicks.


BudCox elected to offer Schroder and THJ rookie extensions. it remains to be seen how TS will approach it.

(I suspect he'll offer a reasonable extension next summer. If TP declines, he'll likely trade him before trade deadline 2020.

IMHO, he should be traded over the next 6 months.)

[Jamaaliver]

Almost Trade Time In The NBA

While the NBA has seen some major deals early in the season, the real trade chatter is just getting started. Steve Kyler takes a look at some of the names to watch[/i]

Kent Bazemore – Atlanta Hawks

The Atlanta Hawks have been looking for a new home for forward Kent Bazemore for some time. The problem for the Hawks in moving Bazemore is the $18.08 million he is owed this year and the Player Option he is most likely picking up for next season worth $19.26 million.

There has been some interest in Bazemore; he was linked to the Houston Rockets on several occasions, mainly as a money swap for Ryan Anderson, who was moved off to the Phoenix Suns this past summer.

Compounding the problem for the Hawks is that Bazemore hasn’t exactly been blowing the doors off with his play this season. League sources still peg him as an easy player to obtain, mainly because the Hawks don’t seem to want much in return except to get out of his contract.

Basketball Insiders

[Jamaaliver]

FTR, I'd rate Huerter of greater importance than Taurean. (But either should be available if the price is right.)

Buyers Or Sellers – Southeast Division

Atlanta Hawks

The Atlanta Hawks are bad. If anyone on their roster, outside the trio Trae Young, Taurean Prince and John Collins, isn’t able to be had for a future asset, they are doing this rebuilding thing wrong.

The Hawks should be hunting for draft picks, but looking for some depth on the wing wouldn’t be a bad idea, either. Vince Carter is 41 going on 1 million, Kent Bazemore should be on the move and Justin Anderson and DeAndre Bembry are lower-level rotation players at best. There are some solid pieces in place, but the Hawks have a long way to go before they are buyers again.

Players whose trade restrictions are lifted on Dec. 15: Vince Carter, Alex Len and Daniel Hamilton

Basketball Insiders