Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc

Magic_Johnny12 · Post #461 » by **Magic_Johnny12** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:34 pm

Not sure if anyone posted this or how legit it is but, per "league sources" & @thepelicanswave (12k followers) the Orlando Magic are reportedly in negotiations to acquire Jeremy Lin....

Thoughts?

Seems right in line with a player we would go after. Smart player that has looked great recently that can shoot and score.

I think the rumored trade was Simmons/Grant/SRP (via Cleveland)

yoyojw17 · Post #462 » by **yoyojw17** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:42 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:Not sure if anyone posted this or how legit it is but, per "league sources" & @thepelicanswave (12k followers) the Orlando Magic are reportedly in negotiations to acquire Jeremy Lin....

Thoughts?

Seems right in line with a player we would go after. Smart player that has looked great recently that can shoot and score.

I think the rumored trade was Simmons/Grant/SRP (via Cleveland)

PSHHHHHHHHHHH

Sounds like a good trade to me. Lin just has to stay healthy. But his style of play would be very beneficial to our team. And for that price tag.... i ain't mad at it.

Will definitely be an upgrade this season.... yet still maintains the flexibility for the team moving forward.

axl_c_cool · Post #463 » by **axl_c_cool** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:46 pm

Def Swami wrote:
OrlandoDream wrote:

Watch on YouTube

Im calling the nets and trying my best to get DLo before the deadline. They have chosen Dinwiddie over Dlo with the extension and wont be able to afford DLo if they still plan to go after a max free agent this offseason. If Nets dont end up trading him, im calling his agent at 12:01 when free agency starts and get a deal with DLo. Only 22yo, career highs, and maturity issues are behind him. Also a pure scorer at that PG with playmaking abilities. It makes too much sense.

He's my main trade/free agency target for the Magic. 22 years old with lots of room to grow still. He fits exactly what we need.

I agree 100%, what could we give the Nets? I'd offer a package of

Orlando sends: Vucevic + 2019 1st round pick top 20 protected (becomes 2 future 2nds) + OKC 1st round pick + Cleveland 2nd round pick

Brooklyn sends: Russell + Williams + Kurucs

Brooklyn gets: Vucevic adds offence and an All Star center to add to their massive cap room in 2019. They lose Williams to give them an extra 5M in cap space, as well as 3 future picks.

Orlando gets: Our starting and scoring point guard, we'll lose more games to end the season and likely miss out on the playoffs, but have balance and structure in the lineups. Williams and Kurucs can be waived

Russell/Augustine
Ross/Fournier/Iwundu
Isaac/Simmons
Gordon/Martin
Bamba/Birch/Mosgov

I like that line up a lot moving forward, the team just needs time and development. Potentially Ross and Fournier could be moved, our main area to address would be starting shooting guard, although both of those are starters. The biggest question of that roster is who can break out and hopefully how many of them.

Magic_Johnny12 · Post #464 » by **Magic_Johnny12** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:51 pm

yoyojw17 wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:Not sure if anyone posted this or how legit it is but, per "league sources" & @thepelicanswave (12k followers) the Orlando Magic are reportedly in negotiations to acquire Jeremy Lin....

Thoughts?

Seems right in line with a player we would go after. Smart player that has looked great recently that can shoot and score.

I think the rumored trade was Simmons/Grant/SRP (via Cleveland)

PSHHHHHHHHHHH

Sounds like a good trade to me. Lin just has to stay healthy. But his style of play would be very beneficial to our team. And for that price tag.... i ain't mad at it.

I agree, but salaries dont match perfectly we would have to add like a player like Frazier so it could be totally bogus.

I could also see Orlando positioning themselves better for this summer and sending Augustine away.

Actually when I run the numbers salaries match perfect.

Augustine
Simmons
'19 SRP (via Cleveland)
'20 SRP (via Brooklyn)
Total = 13,250,000

for

Jeremy Lin
Total = 13,766,421

OrlandoDream · Post #465 » by **OrlandoDream** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:51 pm

The Effect wrote:
OrlandoDream wrote:Im calling the nets and trying my best to get DLo before the deadline. They have chosen Dinwiddie over Dlo with the extension and wont be able to afford DLo if they still plan to go after a max free agent this offseason. If Nets dont end up trading him, im calling his agent at 12:01 when free agency starts and get a deal with DLo. Only 22yo, career highs, and maturity issues are behind him. Also a pure scorer at that PG with playmaking abilities. It makes too much sense.

If the nets were willing to do Dlo for Ross straight up (or even include the OKC pick), id do it right now

22yo who would be our starting PG for a long time

Wouldn't give up Tross but def that OKC pick or even our own 19 FRP

The Effect · Post #466 » by **The Effect** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:01 pm

OrlandoDream wrote:
The Effect wrote:
OrlandoDream wrote:Im calling the nets and trying my best to get DLo before the deadline. They have chosen Dinwiddie over Dlo with the extension and wont be able to afford DLo if they still plan to go after a max free agent this offseason. If Nets dont end up trading him, im calling his agent at 12:01 when free agency starts and get a deal with DLo. Only 22yo, career highs, and maturity issues are behind him. Also a pure scorer at that PG with playmaking abilities. It makes too much sense.

If the nets were willing to do Dlo for Ross straight up (or even include the OKC pick), id do it right now

22yo who would be our starting PG for a long time
Wouldn't give up Tross but def that OKC pick or even our own 19 FRP

I like ross and think hes a great fit, but i dont see us re-signing him this off season so its a great chance to get a very good young player for him

The Effect · Post #467 » by **The Effect** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:05 pm

axl_c_cool wrote:
Def Swami wrote:
OrlandoDream wrote:

Watch on YouTube

Im calling the nets and trying my best to get DLo before the deadline. They have chosen Dinwiddie over Dlo with the extension and wont be able to afford DLo if they still plan to go after a max free agent this offseason. If Nets dont end up trading him, im calling his agent at 12:01 when free agency starts and get a deal with DLo. Only 22yo, career highs, and maturity issues are behind him. Also a pure scorer at that PG with playmaking abilities. It makes too much sense.

He's my main trade/free agency target for the Magic. 22 years old with lots of room to grow still. He fits exactly what we need.

I agree 100%, what could we give the Nets? I'd offer a package of

Orlando sends: Vucevic + 2019 1st round pick top 20 protected (becomes 2 future 2nds) + OKC 1st round pick + Cleveland 2nd round pick

Brooklyn sends: Russell + Williams + Kurucs

Brooklyn gets: Vucevic adds offence and an All Star center to add to their massive cap room in 2019. They lose Williams to give them an extra 5M in cap space, as well as 3 future picks.

Orlando gets: Our starting and scoring point guard, we'll lose more games to end the season and likely miss out on the playoffs, but have balance and structure in the lineups. Williams and Kurucs can be waived

Russell/Augustine
Ross/Fournier/Iwundu
Isaac/Simmons
Gordon/Martin
Bamba/Birch/Mosgov

I like that line up a lot moving forward, the team just needs time and development. Potentially Ross and Fournier could be moved, our main area to address would be starting shooting guard, although both of those are starters. The biggest question of that roster is who can break out and hopefully how many of them.

Vuc+2 #1s? i dont see brooklyn getting that much for a player they are going to lose in the offseason that they basically already said isnt in their long term plans

I think Vuc+OKC (id try to avoid making this trade) or Ross+OKC+filler could get it done

dsg2021 · Post #468 » by **dsg2021** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:05 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:Not sure if anyone posted this or how legit it is but, per "league sources" & @thepelicanswave (12k followers) the Orlando Magic are reportedly in negotiations to acquire Jeremy Lin....

Thoughts?

On face value, Jeremy Lin had a rather great/extremely-solid season under Coach Clifford in Charlotte just two seasons ago, helping Kemba and CHA reach the playoffs (4-3 loss to MIA in 1st rnd). This season, his percentages across the board are fantastic (50/40/80).

And unlike a previous "to-help-Coach" move, I doubt WeHam is going to pull a Hennigan and flip something like AG (Tobias) for Lin and Dedmon/Bembry (Ilyasova and Jennings).

It also makes sense because Lin is an expiring contract. ORL wouldn't be committing itself to any kind of strategy or path.

For ATL, Lin is 30 years old, and their current season outlook is really locked in right now (deep tanking), so there is some incentive for them to get something from an expiring. But an expiring contract could be valuable in another trade sometime this season (if they're the trade partner chosen), especially with Lin being solid. I don't think it'd be free.

Under the current CBA, Jonathon Simmons, Jerian Grant, and Jarell Martin for Jeremy Lin is a legal trade that gives ATL some expiring contracts back in smaller amounts. And ORL could then try to sweeten it with one 2nd round pick (or two).

There could also be something around Timofey Mozgov, Jarell Martin, and Jerian Grant for Miles Plumlee and Jeremy Lin. It adds 4.2 mil cap to ATL in the summer, but with ATL in this early rebuilding phase, ORL could feasibly pull this move. Perhaps by adding two 2nd's is my guess. It would then add Lin and 4.2 mil cap space to ORL this summer.

Who knows if one of our young wings could replace a 2nd rounder too, Frazier or Iwundu.

pepe1991 · Post #469 » by **pepe1991** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:20 pm

Getting Lin is playoff push move

Lin had ugly start of a season but since that he is best PG in Atlanta ( not that it's hard to do it )

VFX · Post #470 » by **VFX** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:24 pm

what the **** is the point of adding Lin? 30 year old backup at this point. He’s on an expiring contract, so whatever. That’s the positive I guess. Playoff push and then don’t resign the players that help you get there. Smart.

pepe1991 · Post #471 » by **pepe1991** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:28 pm

MagicMatic wrote:what the **** is the point of adding Lin? 30 year old backup at this point. He’s on an expiring contract, so whatever. That’s the positive I guess.

We all know this team won't tank ,so yea, playoffs or 12-14 pick that doesn't have much value anyway, especially because they will again draft another octopus with no jumpshot

VFX · Post #472 » by **VFX** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:30 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:what the **** is the point of adding Lin? 30 year old backup at this point. He’s on an expiring contract, so whatever. That’s the positive I guess.

We all know this team won't tank ,so yea, playoffs or 12-14 pick that doesn't have much value anyway, especially because they will again draft another octopus with no jumpshot

If this actually happens I’ll be amazed at the ineptitude of this FO.

Post #473 » by **Knightro** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:31 pm

Mozgov and the OKC pick for Lin.

Helps the Magic right now by getting an upgrade at backup PG over Grant. Lin also has experience playing under Clifford.

Beyond that...

It also gets the Magic out from Mozgov's money without having to stretch him. That would be really helpful for this summer's free agency pursuits.

Would make the possibility of keeping Vucevic/Ross while having enough money for someone like Russell a lot more realistic.

dsg2021 · Post #474 » by **dsg2021** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:32 pm

MagicMatic wrote:what the **** is the point of adding Lin? 30 year old backup at this point. He’s on an expiring contract, so whatever. That’s the positive I guess. Playoff push and then don’t resign the players that help you get there. Smart.

You don't want no Linsanity up in here? :lol:

VFX · Post #475 » by **VFX** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:34 pm

Knightro wrote:Mozgov and the OKC pick for Lin.

Helps the Magic right now by getting an upgrade at backup PG over Grant. Lin also has experience playing under Clifford.

Beyond that...

It also gets the Magic out from Mozgov's money without having to stretch him would be really helpful for this summer's free agency pursuits.

Would make the possibility of keeping Vucevic/Ross while having enough money for someone like Russell a lot more realistic.

Yeah? With who in particular? Resigning the players on expiring deals?

The Effect · Post #476 » by **The Effect** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:36 pm

Knightro wrote:Mozgov and the OKC pick for Lin.

Helps the Magic right now by getting an upgrade at backup PG over Grant. Lin also has experience playing under Clifford.

Beyond that...

It also gets the Magic out from Mozgov's money without having to stretch him. That would be really helpful for this summer's free agency pursuits.

Would make the possibility of keeping Vucevic/Ross while having enough money for someone like Russell a lot more realistic.

No one is taking moz contract without us either taking on an equally bad contract or we include a sweetener (1st rounder or good young player)

basketballRob · Post #477 » by **basketballRob** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:41 pm

Never heard of the thepelicanswave who say we're in negotiations for Lin.

Post #478 » by **Knightro** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:42 pm

MagicMatic wrote:Yeah? With who in particular? Resigning the players on expiring deals?

If the Magic were to dump Mozgov without having to stretch him, they would be getting about 5.5M more in cap space than they would if they stretched him. That's a hardly insignificant amount when you're hunting for a starting caliber guard in free agency.

That deal I suggested would give the Magic approximately 58.36M in committed salaries heading into the summer. On a 109M cap, that's about 50.64M in cap space. Factor in their first round pick's salary and empty roster spot holds, that would eat up around 5M, leaving them about 45M in cap space.

Could they split 45M among Russell, Vucevic and Ross?

Not impossible.

Post #479 » by **Knightro** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:42 pm

The Effect wrote:
Knightro wrote:Mozgov and the OKC pick for Lin.

Helps the Magic right now by getting an upgrade at backup PG over Grant. Lin also has experience playing under Clifford.

Beyond that...

It also gets the Magic out from Mozgov's money without having to stretch him. That would be really helpful for this summer's free agency pursuits.

Would make the possibility of keeping Vucevic/Ross while having enough money for someone like Russell a lot more realistic.

No one is taking moz contract without us either taking on an equally bad contract or we include a sweetener (1st rounder or good young player)

I literally suggested a first round pick to Atlanta in my suggestion.

VFX · Post #480 » by **VFX** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:48 pm

Knightro wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:Yeah? With who in particular? Resigning the players on expiring deals?

If the Magic were to dump Mozgov without having to stretch him, they would be getting about 5.5M more in cap space than they would if they stretched him. That's a hardly insignificant amount when you're hunting for a starting caliber guard in free agency.

That deal I suggested would give the Magic approximately 58.36M in committed salaries heading into the summer. On a 109M cap, that's about 50.64M in cap space. Factor in their first round pick's salary and empty roster spot holds, that would eat up around 5M, leaving them about 45M in cap space.

Could they split 45M among Russell, Vucevic and Ross?

Not impossible.