codydaze wrote:enderwilson wrote:codydaze wrote:
I think if Sac is going to eat salary, Porter is the salary we eat. If you look to start including guys like Mahinmi then I think we would be looking to recoup a first in that situation. It wouldn't be worth it to take on all that extra salary with only a second and PPatt as the compensation, neither of which do much for us considering we've stockpiled seconds for the next 3-4 years.
If Vlade were able to score a first out of this deal I would say it's a trade on par with the awful Philly trade he did when he started. But in reverse.
Essentially what you're saying is that taking on Mahinmi = gaining Porter + 1round pick. That's an amazingly sweet deal for us, regardless of how much Porter is overpaid. While it clears salary from their books, they're effectively giving up a starting wing player and a future first. While the pieces aren't necessarily equivalent to the Philly trade, Vlade did the same thing to essentially clear salary from the roster so he could go after the likes of Rondo and other players to put around DMC.
But who knows. Maybe Vlade has learned from experience to start high and see what you can get.
Not exactly. The trade with Philly cleared less than $20 million in salary for us (Thompson/Landry were about $13 million combined) and Philly got a pick swap out of it in addition to the unprotected 1st. Washington would be clearing $42 million between Porter/Mahinmi, the price for clearing that amount of cap off the books should be a first, though likely protected (top 5 I would look for).
Washington would be getting back WCS as well, plus probably Justin Jackson or Mason, while we got Arutaras Gudaitis and Luka Mitrovic. Washington would probably still be in the playoff hunt after the deal so clearing $42 million off the books is easily worth a first round pick in the late teens.
BUT
A) I wasn't thinking that this was part of the initial equation. I assumed that "...if Sac is going to eat salary, Porter is the salary we eat." meant a straight taking on of Porter to clear his salary off of WAS's books. The point you're making is a little clearer to me when you add these other assets to the math.
2) Regardless, to the point of comparing to the Philly trade, what's in my calculus is the relative value of the players involved. As a player, Otto Porter is >>>>> to all parties in this trade than Thompson and Landry were for the Philly trade. Effectively Porter is much closer in value to the $$$ he's paid than to what Thompson and Landry were getting paid for what they brought. While I loved those guys for their contributions and character, they were not helpful in making the team better for the salary they were given. Also, back then $13 million gave you a lot more room to work under the salary cap than it does now. Back then, the need was to clear cap in order to put effective pieces around DMC and back then we didn't have anything to offer Philly in return other than future picks.
If we got Porter + Mahinmi + 1st for WCS + JJ or Mason, I'd be very happy with that.
