Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVII

[dangermouse]

I'm still trying to process...
We loose Gortat, Rivers, and Oubre and get a 3/4 season rental of Ariza.

Trust the process

[TGW]

Great win tonight. Encouraging; a different energy. The next trade to make is Otto Porter for Julius Randle (and whatever pieces are needed to balance the numbers).

Randle isn't that good when he's not playing bully ball.

Wiz need Otto's 3 point shooting.

Randle for Porter is a fair deal. Both have equally frustrating tendencies. Randle is lazy and is going to trick a bad team into paying him a huge salary. Otto is not aggressive. Neither are worth the coin IMO.

[gambitx777]

I wouldn't mind getting in on jabari Parker trades I don't think he's as bad as people feel he's not worth 20 mill but he has a team option

[Ruzious]

I wouldn't mind getting in on jabari Parker trades I don't think he's as bad as people feel he's not worth 20 mill but he has a team option

He's such a bad defender - even when he tries - which isn't often. He is able to do things offensively that are imressive, but he's not a real team-oriented player. I'd pass.

[Dark Faze]

Wonder if Chicago tried him in a bench role. Probably did. If that didn't work then he may be on his way to China soon.

[Gig18]

I'm still trying to process...
We loose Gortat, Rivers, and Oubre and get a 3/4 season rental of Ariza.

We were going to lose all those guys anyway. The trade that EG made was still better than doing nothing at all because Ariza is better than Oubre (and any minutes Brown gets will be an upgrade over Rivers).

The problem isn't that he made the trade. The problem is that he should have gotten more for Oubre. The first trade with Memphis was about right. That would have been a good move. But EG bungled it and left himself in a position where he HAD to trade Oubre for anything he could get.

Ultimately, EG just gave away the opportunity to obtain a 2nd round pick (or two, not sure the details on that rumored MEM conditional pick). Now that asset is gone.

I agree.
Nowww, let's see if we play better.
If we aren't going to trade Wall, we need to help him succeed. I think the moves for Dekker and Ariza help. But, we'll see

[Illmatic12]

Interesting note from the Wiretap (see last sentence):

Heat, Pat Riley Have No Interest In Long Rebuild
DEC 16, 2018 8:20 PM



Even with a losing record and a top-10 payroll in the NBA, the Miami Heat lead by Erik Spoelstra and 73-year-old team president Pat Riley refuse to tank their season or undergo a rebuilding process.

On the topic of whether the Heat should tank their season for a high draft pick, Spoelstra responded “do the history on it. What franchises have had the most enduring sustainable success over the last 24 years? We’re up there with the top three or four. The teams that constantly tank, I don’t know where they are...but if you are hardwired to find a way to get it done without any excuses, you will find different pathways. There’s no one way to do it.”

Other NBA executives have noted the Heat's lack of flexibility in the trade market with Josh Richardson their most valuable piece, but they feel that Richardson would only be available if the Heat could land a star in return.

The Heat have been frequently linked as a potential destination for John Wall as they believe their unique team culture could rehabilitate any player.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/251940/Heat-Pat-Riley-Have-No-Interest-In-Long-Rebuild

It does indeed appear that multiple teams have internally discussed the idea of trading for Wall. I think fans initially reacted with sticker shock to his contract, but once you remember that he's still a 5x All-Star in his prime it's pretty obvious that if Wall hit the market in earnest there are teams who would be interested in him. Keep in mind there are no reports that the Wizards have actually shopped Wall in earnest - but it's something to keep in mind when considering what options could be available after the season.

[truwizfan4evr]

Would anyone want Jodie meeks back? Play him in spot min's we could use his 3 point shooting off the bench or maybe Courtney lee?

[TGW]

Would anyone want Jodie meeks back? Play him in spot min's we could use his 3 point shooting off the bench or maybe Courtney lee?

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[dangermouse]

Can we go back to deals involving moving Mahinmi's big useless behind so that we can at least have a shot at re-upping Bryant?

[gambitx777]

Can we go back to deals involving moving Mahinmi's big useless behind so that we can at least have a shot at re-upping Bryant?

I feel like our **** to move him is to add him in with a Beal / wall / Otto deal and say here keep this asset and give us a lower asset or something like that to take mahinmi off our hands.
Like wall and Ian to the heat for
White side and ellington and a second.
or wall and ian to the bulls
for parker and lopez
or
otto and ian to the nets
for crabe, faried dudley and a second.
probably packaging him with brad would be the best bet.

Like if we don't wanna give up a first, we have to give someone of value at a discount to compensate a team for taking ian

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Keep Wall. Upgrade to a coach who can actually coach him.

[deneem4]

Keep Wall. Upgrade to a coach who can actually coach him.

This

[nate33]

Can we go back to deals involving moving Mahinmi's big useless behind so that we can at least have a shot at re-upping Bryant?

I don't think Bryant will cost much.

Standard, run-of-the-mill low-post bigs are a dime-a-dozen these days because teams can't even play them in crunch time. The league is still working through a lot of old contracts of legacy big men signed in a previous era. That gives the perception that they're worth big money, but they're not anymore. These days, the only big men worth big money are the ones that can stay on the court in crunch time. That means that they're exceptional rim protectors and very switchable defensively (while also being good roll men on offense) like Capela or Adams, or they're dominant offensively like Davis, Embiid, Gasol and Jokic.

Bryant is none of these. He's indistinguishable from about 10 free agent big men in this summer's free agency class, and easily worse than about 6 or 7 others.

Legit good free agent centers who can play in crunch time. Definitely worth more than MLE:
Demarcus Cousins
Kristaps Porzingis
Nicola Vucevic
Julius Randall
Brook Lopez

Dime-a-dozen free agent centers who have a role, but are not worth big money:
Willie Cauley-Stein
Boban Marjanovic
DeAndre Jordan
Enes Kanter
Robin Lopez
Dwight Howard
Tyson Chandler
Marcin Gortat
Dewayne Dedmon
Thomas Bryant
Kyle O'Quin
Ed Davis
Javale McGee
Kosta Koufos

I just don't see how Bryant gets more than 3 or 4 million a year in this market, and he might just settle for our $1.9M qualifying offer.

[queridiculo]

Can we go back to deals involving moving Mahinmi's big useless behind so that we can at least have a shot at re-upping Bryant?

Wizards don't really have any assets left to move that contract at this point. Best we can probably hope for is a move involving the Kings and some third team to move Morris.

I think at this point Washington has to purge something like $4.5 to $5 million to avoid the luxury tax this year.

[payitforward]

Great win tonight. Encouraging; a different energy. The next trade to make is Otto Porter for Julius Randle (and whatever pieces are needed to balance the numbers).

Randle isn't that good when he's not playing bully ball.

Wiz need Otto's 3 point shooting.

I don’t know what that means.

Otto isn’t that good when he’s not playing aggressively on O. Which is usually. And he doesn’t have great strength to man the 4.

You don't know what *what* means? You don't know what 3 pt. % means? Is that it? Off the top of your head (b/c I know you haven't looked) what do you think Randle's career 3pt. % is?

First off, on their careers, Otto is a far better player. But Randle has improved, so that's not fair.

Last year, Otto was a far better player than Randle.
In 2016-17, Otto was a far better player than Randle.
In 2015-16, ditto....

But, it's definitely different this year: Otto started slowly, then began to get his numbers up, but now is injured. Randle OTOH is having the best year of his career -- by far. By way way far. Far enough that he's definitely significantly better this year than Otto.

In fact, if he didn't turn the ball over 3+ times for every 1 time Otto turns it over, & if he didn't commit 2 & 1/3 fouls for every foul Otto commits, & if Otto didn't get 2.2 steals for every steal Randle gets... why he would have left Otto way in the dust.

Still... without a doubt Julius Randle is playing great, he's only 24, & even with the downsides you fail to mention, it would be terrific to have him on our team. Any team would love to have him -- especially since he's making @$8.6m this year!!

Here's the thing tho.... It can't happen. Randle has an option at $9m for next year, which he's not going to pick up, making him an unrestricted FA & will go to the highest bidder. Which couldn't be us.

[truwizfan4evr]

Can we go back to deals involving moving Mahinmi's big useless behind so that we can at least have a shot at re-upping Bryant?

Wizards don't really have any assets left to move that contract at this point. Best we can probably hope for is probably a move involving the Kings and some third team to move Morris.

I think at this point Washington has to purge something like $4.5 to $5 million to avoid the luxury tax this year.

Ernie going to bribe teams with draft picks to take his large contract.

[80sballboy]

I know this trade makes no sense and Basketball Rehab just seems to guess

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[queridiculo]

Can we go back to deals involving moving Mahinmi's big useless behind so that we can at least have a shot at re-upping Bryant?

Wizards don't really have any assets left to move that contract at this point. Best we can probably hope for is probably a move involving the Kings and some third team to move Morris.

I think at this point Washington has to purge something like $4.5 to $5 million to avoid the luxury tax this year.

Ernie going to bribe teams with draft picks to take his large contract.

The Wizards aren't going to trade their first rounder, and it's not like they have any seconds left.

[queridiculo]

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what a haul, if that's aggressive, what's a lowball offer then?